I guess that depends on what you mean by "afterlife."
How do you define it?
The life after one's physical death.
Everyone will be raised from the grave immortal and imperishable. (1 Cor 15)
Everyone will spend eternity either united with God in Christ (saved and experiencing eternal life) or separated from God, outside of Christ. (not saved and experiencing 2nd death)
Yet your view is that prior to Daniel's writings, no one was aware of an afterlife.
I said this:
"This misses the whole point of WHY the incarnation of the Logos. Totally."
Really?
Enlighten me. Cur deus homo?
Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. That means He came to save. Nothing in your description even mentioned that.
You obviously have no concept of the difference between the pagan concept of an "afterlife" and the Christian belief in eternal life.
Please explain why that would matter. Why would the pagan concept of ANYTHING matter in regards to Scripture?
I said this:
"It seems your position is not even familiar with judgment and the lake of fire then."
The judgement and the lake of fire are different topics which you are conflating and confusing. (WHich is why you don't make any sense.
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It seems clear the problem is on your side.
Heb 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment NIV
OK, that establishes that everyone WILL face judgment, let's see what this judgment is, and for whom:
2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. NIV The "we" refer to believers, of course.
2 Peter 2:9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. NIV The "unrighteous" refers to unbelievers, of course.
And, finally, to connect judgment with the lake of fire:
Rev 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life.
The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and
each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. NIV
Any question?
The new life in Christ has nothing to do with the meaning of salvation, you say???
Sure, it's a part of what salvation is, but not all of it, as your explanation suggested.
Please define what you think salvation is.
With pleasure.
Past tense: we are saved from the penalty of sin. Justification
Present tense: we are being saved from the power of sin. Sanctification
Future tense: we will be saved from the presence of sin. Glorification
Any questions?
I said this:
"So then, salvation is for the here and now. But if there is no after life, then what does it matter ultimately?"
I didn't say that.
And I have no idea how you could possible come to that conclusion.
Only from your posts where you explained that before the writing of Daniel, no one was aware of an afterlife. That would mean that no one was saved before Daniel, since they wouldn't have even known they needed salvation.
Again, you have managed to totally misunderstand simple English sentences.
Or, your so-called "simple English sentences" weren't all that clear.
If the biblical concept of afterlife wasn't known until the writings of Daniel, then there would have been no concept of needing salvation.
