Life in the Millennium.

[GodspromisesRyes]

There is only one passage in the Bible that everyone can agree is what happens during the millennium(Rev.20:1-7). Nowhere can we be sure it speaks of the same event, any other verse that someone claims happens during the millennium is pure speculation.

So I propose the most logical way to find other potential millennial references, is to examine Rev.20:1-7. We then try and find the same images, phrases, etc.. and see if anything looks similar.

I see so many people just arbitrarily pulling out large amounts of scripture and claiming it's during the millennium. Yet, there is nothing from Rev. 20:1-7 that corroborates it.

The most basic image I see from that passage is; saints sitting on thrones, judging and reigning with Christ. That is apparently one of the only sure things we can determine will happen during the millennium.

After searching every passage that spoke of sitting, reigning, judging, saints, with Christ, thrones, etc... What's below is what I found that appeared potential matches. Do your own search you may find something I didn't, but I think there is a pattern below. What do you think?
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Rev. 20:4 And I saw THRONES, and THEY SAT UPON THEM, and JUDGMENT WAS GIVEN UNTO THEM: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and THEY LIVED and REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS.

1Cor. 6:2 Do ye not know that THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE the world? and if the world SHALL BE JUDGED BY YOU, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1Cor. 6:3 Know ye not that WE SHALL JUDGE angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Rev. 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS of God and of Christ, and SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.

Mat. 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall SIT UPON twelve THRONES, JUDGING the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table IN MY KINGDOM, and SIT ON THRONES JUDGING the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall SIT DOWN IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Mat. 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall SIT DOWN with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Psa. 122:3-5 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together: Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD. For there are set THRONES OF JUDGMENT, the thrones of the house of David.

Dan. 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and JUDGMENT WAS GIVEN TO THE SAINTS of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

1Cor.4:5 Therefore JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE TIME, UNTIL THE LORD COME, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Adam

excellent post


as far as it being a literal 1000 yrs we are shown in scripture that it is not a literal 1000 yrs but that the 1000 yrs is connected to Gods wrath, the day of the Lord.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Notice a day WITH THE LORD is AS a thousand years.. What day with the Lord is AS a thousand years?? The DAY OF THE LORD vs. 10.

Who are we shown in revelation this 1000 yrs referring directly to? the saints who are with the Lord will reign 1000 yrs. Those who are WITH THE LORD. now the 1000 yrs are talked about also in terms of satan being boudn and when that time is over but the main object of that 1000 yrs is the sants ruiling.. We see from rev ch. 19 that Jesus bringing Gods wrath and destruction to the wicked is Him ruiling and reigning with a rod of iron. We see in psalams that that is wrath on the heathen. And we see that Peter speaks of 1 day as a 1000 yrs being the " day of the Lord" which is wrath on the wicked and the psalm peter is quoting is all about Gods wrath

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.
Psa 90:5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are [as] a sleep: in the morning [they are] like grass [which] groweth up.
Psa 90:6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
Psa 90:7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.


It was well said of adam that too many scriptures are thought to be of the millenium with no proof or connection. I also found this to be true when i went and studied in scripture and had to lay down all my previous ideas and just let the scriptures speak for themselves. What I found is that many many scriptures that are speaking of the spiritual condition of the saints in the kingdom of God which is IN US and will also set this creation free of its vanity when we the sons of God are manifest, are considered to be only in the millenium and literal upon the earth but careful examination shows it to be of NOW in the kingdom of God in the authority that has been given us. Many also clearly are shown to speak of the " latter days" which also refers to the time before the wrath of God and so they are not about the time of the wrath or after the wrath.


Isaiah tells us three times that the day of the Lord- the time of wrath lasts one year long. Peter tells us that the 1000 yrs are AS a day with the Lord, and a thousand years AS a day the " day of the Lord". So neither the 1000 nor the 1 day are literal time they are " as". This should be expected because in prophetic timing we see clearly that one day is often spoken of as either 1000 yrs or as 1 year.. Since we have 7 days prophetically called the tribulation coming in the end, which we know are YEARS. it also makes prophetic sence to have it followed by an 8th day which is also a YEAR. - the " day of the Lord".

Now this would only make sence if that 8th day/year fit the pattern of what 8 means. And it does! 8 is the number of circumsion and the cutting off of the flesh. Perfectly it is at the day of the Lord that the flesh of the saints is circumsied so that we recieve our new immortal incorruptable bodies. It is also then the time when the saints with the Lord will judge the earth and all flesh of the wicked will be cut off from the earth and destroyed, consumed.

So the 1000 yrs is just that prophetically 1 day. But literally it is ONE YEAR for God to recompense our enemies and for us to do so with him.

Isa 34:8 For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, [and] the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

 

[adam332]

GodspromisesRyes,
thank you for the compliment. Did you notice the pattern that my search turned up? The saints are in heaven during the millennium.

Now as to your "day of the Lord" ideas, consider this.

Throughout the Bible we see that the earth is made a complete wasteland at the day of His fierce wrath.

2Pet. 3:7 But the HEAVENS AND EARTH, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED UNTO FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Jer. 4:23 I beheld the EARTH, and, lo, [it was] WITHOUT FORM, and VOID; and the HEAVENS, and they [had] NO LIGHT.

Psa. 68:8 The EARTH SHOOK, THE HEAVENS ALSO DROPPED at the presence of God: [even] Sinai itself [was moved] at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

Isa. 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the HEAVENS SHALL VANISH AWAY like smoke, and THE EARTH SHALL WAX OLD LIKE A GARMENT, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished

2Pet. 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the HEAVENS BEING ON FIRE SHALL BE DISSOLVED, and the ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT?

Isa. 64:1 Oh that thou wouldest REND THE HEAVENS, that thou wouldest come down, that the MOUNTAINS MIGHT FLOW DOWN at thy presence,

Jer. 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place [was] A WILDERNESS, and ALL THE CITIES thereof were BROKEN DOWN AT THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, [and] by his fierce anger.

Nah. 1:5 The MOUNTAINS QUAKE at him, and the HILLS MELT, and the EARTH is BURNED at HIS PRESENCE, yea, the WORLD, and all that dwell therein.

Eze. 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the EARTH, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the EARTH, shall SHAKE at MY PRESENCE, and the MOUNTAINS SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, and the STEEP PLACES SHALL FALL, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground.

Psa. 97:5 The HILLS MELTED LIKE WAX at the PRESENCE OF THE LORD, at the PRESENCE OF THE LORD of the WHOLE EARTH.

Psa. 114:7 TREMBLE, thou EARTH, at the PRESENCE OF THE LORD, at the presence of the God of Jacob;

2Pet. 3:10 But the DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, and the ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with FERVENT HEAT, the EARTH also and the works that are therein SHALL BE BURNED UP.

Isa. 40:4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every MOUNTAIN AND HILL SHALL BE MADE LOW: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every MOUNTAIN AND HILL SHALL BE BROUGHT LOW; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways [shall be] made smooth;

Job 9:6 Which SHAKETH THE EARTH OUT OF HER PLACE, and the pillars thereof TREMBLE.

Isa. 13:13 Therefore I will SHAKE THE HEAVENS, and the EARTH SHALL REMOVE OUT OF HER PLACE, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Isa. 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and THE HEAVENS SHALL BE ROLLED TOGETHER as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.

Isa. 45:8 DROP DOWN, YE HEAVENS, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

Joel 2:10 The EARTH SHALL QUAKE before them; THE HEAVENS SHALL TREMBLE: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Hag. 2:6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it [is] a little while, and I will SHAKE THE HEAVENS, and THE EARTH, and the sea, and the dry [land];

Makes sense that He would make the earth void and prepare it to be made new after the millennium.

It also makes sense that the earth shall lie fallow for a millennium. Remember in the OT they were supposed let the land rest in the seventh year. Then they would replant.

We have approximately 6 millenniums of history so far, and many believe the end is close. We plainly see he cleanses the heaven and earth at his coming. And he makes the new heavens and earth after the millennium. So it can easily be construed that the earth symbolically lies fallow during the 7th millennium.

 

[David505]

Isaiah tells us three times that the day of the Lord- the time of wrath lasts one year long. Peter tells us that the 1000 yrs are AS a day with the Lord, and a thousand years AS a day the " day of the Lord". So neither the 1000 nor the 1 day are literal time they are " as". This should be expected because in prophetic timing we see clearly that one day is often spoken of as either 1000 yrs or as 1 year.. Since we have 7 days prophetically called the tribulation coming in the end, which we know are YEARS. it also makes prophetic sence to have it followed by an 8th day which is also a YEAR. - the " day of the Lord".

Thanks GodspromisesRyes,

Are you saying the Millennium follows Daniel's 70th Week?

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

Isaiah tells us three times that the day of the Lord- the time of wrath lasts one year long. Peter tells us that the 1000 yrs are AS a day with the Lord, and a thousand years AS a day the " day of the Lord". So neither the 1000 nor the 1 day are literal time they are " as". This should be expected because in prophetic timing we see clearly that one day is often spoken of as either 1000 yrs or as 1 year.. Since we have 7 days prophetically called the tribulation coming in the end, which we know are YEARS. it also makes prophetic sence to have it followed by an 8th day which is also a YEAR. - the " day of the Lord".

Thanks GodspromisesRyes,

Are you saying the Millennium follows Daniel's 70th Week?

yes. the millenium follows the tribulation. and lasts one literal year. it is the 8th year.

 

[David505]

yes. the millenium follows the tribulation. and lasts one literal year. it is the 8th year.

It's nice that we agree on the sequence (give or take 999 years).

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

yes. the millenium follows the tribulation. and lasts one literal year. it is the 8th year.

It's nice that we agree on the sequence (give or take 999 years).

lol yes :biglol

 

[veteran]

Well, I'd like to see just HOW Isaiah proposes the day of The LORD lasts only 1 year.

And I think David well showed how John contrasted a literal "thousand years" in Rev.20 with an unknown amount of time when the devil is loosed after it. That's showing the Rev.20 "thousand years" is literal, not metaphorical.

In 2 Peter 3, he is saying one day to The LORD is like a thousand years to us.

2 Pet 3:7-8
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(KJV)

That means each 'day' of Genesis 1 could have been one thousand year periods. I'm not saying it was, but that's a probability Peter is showing there. That also points to the probability of "the day of the LORD" being one thousand years.

 

[adam332]

That means each 'day' of Genesis 1 could have been one thousand year periods. I'm not saying it was, but that's a probability Peter is showing there. That also points to the probability of "the day of the LORD" being one thousand years.

I had considered that, but one is prophetic, and the other historical. I believe it was literal days, Literal creation. Literal snake etc...

Besides just in case we started speculating such a thing... it specifically tells us these are literal sundown to sundown days.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day."
"And the evening and the morning were the second day."
etc...

 

[veteran]

That means each 'day' of Genesis 1 could have been one thousand year periods. I'm not saying it was, but that's a probability Peter is showing there. That also points to the probability of "the day of the LORD" being one thousand years.

I had considered that, but one is prophetic, and the other historical. I believe it was literal days, Literal creation. Literal snake etc...

Besides just in case we started speculating such a thing... it specifically tell us these are literal sundown to sundown days.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day."
"And the evening and the morning were the second day."
etc...

I don't want to hijack this thread, but was it not until the fourth day that God created the lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night? As for the snake in God's Garden, Rev.12:9 and 20:2 reveals it was "that old serpent", which is simply another title for Satan himself. And I don't see any such categorical division with what Peter was declaring in 2 Peter 3:8, for he was stating that as fact.

 

[adam332]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but was it not until the fourth day that God created the lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night?

Methinks you've been reading secular propaganda too long. Just to put a little science to verify creation...

Did you know Veteran, that science has proven some very cool things?

Like... the right audio wavelength introduced to a body of water, produced light. Isn't that cool?

The fact that sound energy alone upon H2O can create light, that's just a really neat scientific fact, agreed?

Gen. 1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATERS. 3 And GOD SAID: LET THERE BE LIGHT and there was light.

Look at that, before the first day He spoke(audio/sound) and then His Spirit messed with the water and there was light. Isn't it a trip that science didn't know that until recently? Yet, there it was in the scripture so long before science knew.

What do you think Veteran? Really cool right?

Veteran, did you also know that every element that makes up every thing on this planet can be formed from hydrogen and oxygen. Variations in the molecule make up of those two elements can form flesh, bone, granite, wood, earth, etc...Literally everything and every other element. Also cool, right?

I don't want to hijack this thread either, and turn it into a creation vs. evolution debate.

But, you did make sure to slyly mention an image about the seven days of creation being non literal.

If you sincerely want to keep this thread on topic...then look at "http://www.answersingenesis.org/" for your answers or doubts. I'm not a pro but I think that you will find experts there to challenge any question you can think of.

 

[jasoncran]

aig, one must be cautious to what they post there is some contraversy on them, as they have been accused of deception.

and i dont beleive in evolution. but if you must use them(aig) be advised that they have been accused of lying about things, and there's some truth to that. please .please double check them. and all creationist sites and the other side as well. for both sides do lie as politics is involved

now i will move out of the way.

 

[veteran]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but was it not until the fourth day that God created the lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night?

Methinks you've been reading secular propaganda too long. Just to put a little science to verify creation...

Did you know Veteran, that science has proven some very cool things?

Like... the right audio wavelength introduced to a body of water, produced light. Isn't that cool?

The fact that sound energy alone upon H2O can create light, that's just a really neat scientific fact, agreed?

Gen. 1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATERS. 3 And GOD SAID: LET THERE BE LIGHT and there was light.

Look at that, before the first day He spoke(audio/sound) and then His Spirit messed with the water and there was light. Isn't it a trip that science didn't know that until recently? Yet, there it was in the scripture so long before science knew.

What do you think Veteran? Really cool right?

Veteran, did you also know that every element that makes up every thing on this planet can be formed from hydrogen and oxygen. Variations in the molecule make up of those two elements can form flesh, bone, granite, wood, earth, etc...Literally everything and every other element. Also cool, right?

I don't want to hijack this thread either, and turn it into a creation vs. evolution debate.

But, you did make sure to slyly mention an image about the seven days of creation being non literal.

If you sincerely want to keep this thread on topic...then look at "http://www.answersingenesis.org/" for your answers or doubts. I'm not a pro but I think that you will find experts there to challenge any question you can think of.

No brother, I'm not pushing ideas of evolution with what I said before. I don't believe in evolution. I very much believe in God's creation of all things. Even when God told Adam that in the day he sinned he would die, yet Adam lived on to 930 years, coming 70 years short of one thousand years, that's God showing that principle Peter mentioned of one day to God representing a thousand years.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

Well, I'd like to see just HOW Isaiah proposes the day of The LORD lasts only 1 year.

And I think David well showed how John contrasted a literal "thousand years" in Rev.20 with an unknown amount of time when the devil is loosed after it. That's showing the Rev.20 "thousand years" is literal, not metaphorical.

In 2 Peter 3, he is saying one day to The LORD is like a thousand years to us.

2 Pet 3:7-8
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(KJV)

That means each 'day' of Genesis 1 could have been one thousand year periods. I'm not saying it was, but that's a probability Peter is showing there. That also points to the probability of "the day of the LORD" being one thousand years.

Ok vet i am gonna work backward on your post and answer last first, first last. ok so you mention 2 peter and say it could mean genesis was one day of 1000 yrs. The problem here is that in CONTEXT peter is talking about the day of the Lord the time of Gods wrath and How God will destroy the wicked. To prove that further, Peter is not just speaking in general He is quoting a psalm that is about Gods wrath.It is a psalm that is about the day of the Lord and How Gods wrath will destroy the heathen the wicked, the flesh. So both the Psalm being quoted, and Peter are using this in terms of Gods wrath the day of the Lord. This is how we know which thing is " one day as a thousand with the Lord" is truly speaking of the day of the Lord that peter clarifies in vs.10.- If i need to go greater in depth about this I can but I wont make a huge post here just on this unless you want me to.

Ok So then you speak of satan loosed for a season and the thousand years and say this proves the thousand is literal.I cannot agree since we are told elsewhere this is not literal but it is "AS" a thousand years.Just because God did not desire to reveal to us how long satan's " little season" is does not mean that the 1000 must be literal but it is meant to point us to something.- Gods wrath.

As far as Isaiah showing that this day of wrath, the day of the Lord is really 1 year long we are shown it in three places.

Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.
Isa 34:5 ¶ For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
Isa 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, [and] with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
Isa 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Isa 34:8 ¶ For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, [and] the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
- " the DAY of the Lords vengence, the YEAR of recompence.

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
-" acceptable YEAR of the Lord, the DAY of vengeance."

Isa 63:2 ¶ Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
Isa 63:3 ¶ I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

-" DAY of vengenace, YEAR of his redeemed.

 

[adam332]

aig, one must be cautious to what they post there is some contraversy on them, as they have been accused of deception.

and i dont beleive in evolution. but if you must use them(aig) be advised that they have been accused of lying about things, and there's some truth to that. please .please double check them. and all creationist sites and the other side as well. for both sides do lie as politics is involved

now i will move out of the way.

Hey Jason,
appreciate the heads up. Your not in the way at all.

Actually, that's the biggest site I know for those kind of questions, and can't remember the last time I used it. If it has gained some bad rep among the Christian internet body, I wasn't aware.

Do you know of another search-able site that is more "upstanding", than AIG? Love to know of one.

The place I've done most of my research was my DVD player. I've watched probably 70 hrs of video creation classes. None of which came from, nor associated with AIG. I've personally looked up stuff at AIG a few times in a clinch to remind me what I read or heard. But there is nothing like getting a video with Hal Holbrook presenting a lecture on the creation week. ;).

I've also used various scientists, spokesmen, video lectures. I'm still a bit of a laymen myself though.

As a Sabbatarian I feel kinda' protective of a literal seven day creation week. Once the belief on a literal week is gone, a literal Sabbath day of that week becomes quite compromised.

 

[adam332]

No brother, I'm not pushing ideas of evolution with what I said before. I don't believe in evolution. I very much believe in God's creation of all things. Even when God told Adam that in the day he sinned he would die, yet Adam lived on to 930 years, coming 70 years short of one thousand years, that's God showing that principle Peter mentioned of one day to God representing a thousand years.

Veteran,
I re-read what I wrote; sometimes I'm quite the little sarcastic ________(fill in adjective here). :yes

You may read in one of my above postings notice I'm a Sabbatarian, and a little "quick to draw" on any doubt about the literal seven day week. Sorry if I was too... well you know...

But I love your comments about the length of life of Adam. That is where I think I can show you something cool. Or at least... I think it is.

I've heard that the days aren't literal, I've heard that Adam and Eve "spiritually" died that day. I've heard other things. Let me say if my reasoning is wrong, then my second choice is that Adam/Eve spiritually died that day.

But here is what I think;
remember in an earlier post I said...
"I had considered that, but one is prophetic, and the other historical. I believe it was literal days, Literal creation. Literal snake etc..."

I absolutely agree that creation was a literal seven days. This was a historical account and I see no reason in the text, or comments by the writer to feel otherwise informed.

However, this is where the I show you a unique scripture to consider...

Gen. 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Most people don't realize what they actually just read. They see a warning, perhaps a command, or a law. This is the statement Veteran... from which your inquiry comes, does it not?

While Moses was recording a historical conversation between Adam and God, he happened to also record a prophecy. This prophecy does not say "if"... This says that "when" you eat the fruit you will die in that day. It was not a warning but a prophecy that told him the results when he broke the prophecy.
______
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A day in prophecy, equals a 1000yrs, Please remember that while recording history Moses had to record a prophecy, which was also history for Moses.

"Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations...You turn men back to dust, saying, "Return to dust, O sons of men." For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:1,3,4)

So how does someone like Moses deal with this? He is trying to record a historical account...but that includes the account of a prophecy that already has been fulfilled.

So Moses recorded a prophecy, that has already been fulfilled historically. But luckily that prophecy was accurately fulfilled.

No man has lived longer than a thousand years. Just as the Lord prophesied and recorded by Moses.

 

[veteran]

Ok vet i am gonna work backward on your post and answer last first, first last. ok so you mention 2 peter and say it could mean genesis was one day of 1000 yrs. The problem here is that in CONTEXT peter is talking about the day of the Lord the time of Gods wrath and How God will destroy the wicked. To prove that further, Peter is not just speaking in general He is quoting a psalm that is about Gods wrath.It is a psalm that is about the day of the Lord and How Gods wrath will destroy the heathen the wicked, the flesh. So both the Psalm being quoted, and Peter are using this in terms of Gods wrath the day of the Lord. This is how we know which thing is " one day as a thousand with the Lord" is truly speaking of the day of the Lord that peter clarifies in vs.10.- If i need to go greater in depth about this I can but I wont make a huge post here just on this unless you want me to.

I understand your point. And I understand how the day of The LORD in the OT and NT is mostly shown to be a short time of Christ's judgment at His coming. But the Zech.14:8 verse does say in that day that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem. That's about the River of Ezek.47 and Rev.22. Because of that pointer, I see that day of The LORD also including Christ's thousand years reign with His elect with a rod of iron. His wrath poured out at His coming I see as just the start of it. In that sense, 2 Peter 3:8 would very likely apply to that "thousand years" reign by Christ in Rev.20. Afterall, we know the "lake of fire" destruction is not until after that thousand years. See also 1 Cor.15:23-28 which declares that Christ must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. And the Rev.3:9 verse shows the wicked will be raised for that thousand years also, and bowing the knee to Him. That's who that rod of iron will be for in that time. It's certainly not for His servants who serve and follow Him.

Ok So then you speak of satan loosed for a season and the thousand years and say this proves the thousand is literal.I cannot agree since we are told elsewhere this is not literal but it is "AS" a thousand years.Just because God did not desire to reveal to us how long satan's " little season" is does not mean that the 1000 must be literal but it is meant to point us to something.- Gods wrath.

The word "as" is simply a comparative adverb. Peter's simply showing how God sees the idea of time differently that we do. We still struggle with the concept of eternity; God doesn't. David has a good point. In Scripture when two time periods are given, with one that's definite like the "thousand years", and another that is undefined with "a little season", it gives a lot of weight to the definite one being literal. Nor have I found any Scripture which changes that time declaration of a "thousand years" in Rev.20, so I don't know where you get that idea that elsewhere we're told it is not literal.

Now if that "thousand years" was given in symbolic form, like the 70 weeks of Daniel, or the Ezekiel 4 prophecy, that would be different. But it is not given in any symbolic form in Rev.20, but as straight forward.

As far as Isaiah showing that this day of wrath, the day of the Lord is really 1 year long we are shown it in three places.

Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.
Isa 34:5 ¶ For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
Isa 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, [and] with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
Isa 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Isa 34:8 ¶ For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, [and] the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
- " the DAY of the Lords vengence, the YEAR of recompence.

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
-" acceptable YEAR of the Lord, the DAY of vengeance."

Isa 63:2 ¶ Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
Isa 63:3 ¶ I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

-" DAY of vengenace, YEAR of his redeemed.

Did you notice that "year" doesn't have an ordinal number with it? If it did, then we could be certain it would mean a definite time of one year. The Hebrew word is 'shaneh' and is plural. We would need more Bible witnesses than that to prove that word "year" in one place overrides the six cases of "thousand years" in Rev.20.

 

[veteran]

No brother, I'm not pushing ideas of evolution with what I said before. I don't believe in evolution. I very much believe in God's creation of all things. Even when God told Adam that in the day he sinned he would die, yet Adam lived on to 930 years, coming 70 years short of one thousand years, that's God showing that principle Peter mentioned of one day to God representing a thousand years.

Veteran,
I re-read what I wrote; sometimes I'm quite the little sarcastic ________(fill in adjective here). :yes

You may read in one of my above postings notice I'm a Sabbatarian, and a little "quick to draw" on any doubt about the literal seven day week. Sorry if I was too... well you know...

But I love your comments about the length of life of Adam. That is where I think I can show you something cool. Or at least... I think it is.

I've heard that the days aren't literal, I've heard that Adam and Eve "spiritually" died that day. I've heard other things. Let me say if my reasoning is wrong, then my second choice is that Adam/Eve spiritually died that day.

But here is what I think;
remember in an earlier post I said...
"I had considered that, but one is prophetic, and the other historical. I believe it was literal days, Literal creation. Literal snake etc..."

I absolutely agree that creation was a literal seven days. This was a historical account and I see no reason in the text, or comments by the writer to feel otherwise informed.

However, this is where the I show you a unique scripture to consider...

Gen. 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Most people don't realize what they actually just read. They see a warning, perhaps a command, or a law. This is the statement Veteran... from which your inquiry comes, does it not?

While Moses was recording a historical conversation between Adam and God, he happened to also record a prophecy. This prophecy does not say "if"... This says that "when" you eat the fruit you will die in that day. It was not a warning but a prophecy that told him the results if he broke the prophecy.
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A day in prophecy, equals a 1000yrs, Please remember that while recording history Moses had to record a prophecy, which was also history for Moses.

"Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations...You turn men back to dust, saying, "Return to dust, O sons of men." For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:1,3,4)

So how does someone like Moses deal with this? He is trying to record a historical account...but that includes the account of a prophecy that already has been fulfilled.

So Moses recorded a prophecy, that has already been fulfilled historically. But luckily that prophecy was accurately fulfilled.

No man has lived longer than a thousand years. Just as the Lord prophesied and recorded by Moses.

Yes, I was referring to what God said in Gen.2:17. I don't see a conflict if to God a day is like a thousand years either. Remember He stayed the sun in Joshua's day, and turned it back ten degrees in Hezekiah's day. And per Rev.10 time will be no longer when the prophets are fulfilled. It's evident that God setup time divisions for this world, but I think it's going to be different in His eternity. So I see no reason for us to depend on our limited understanding of time to show how God relates to it in His dimension of the Heavenly. I think that's the idea Ps.90 and 2 Pet.3:8 is showing us.