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[Corn Pop]

I think maybe limited scripture makes the mind go deluded and into fairyland.

Im not talking on here, but seems like mythical storys come out of limited scriptures.

Like Enoch for example. Two verses in the entire bible, and theres full documentries on him type thing, and the nephilim turned into ufos and aliens and fallen demonic beings marring humans. Lol. I mean, how does two verses make a 2 hour documentary?.

People go into fairyland.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

A lot of theories out there are reaching with the amount of theory verses the amount of information to support it. But that said, without something to be an authority on the information to be sble to corect the bogus or to enlighten and give more information. Without that all there is is the endless possibalities, no matter how far reaching it sounds. And people can suport one possibility by adding how that possibility can exist. Hense the 2 hours, with nothing much to support it.

 

[Corn Pop]

Lets take Enoch. There is nothing to support it.

Enoch walked with God, and then he was no more, because God took him.

So Enoch walked with God and lived a righteous life, then God took him away because he died.

Thats it.

And he obviously gave prophecy as referenced in Jude and book of Enoch, but it got corrupted along the way because its half truth half myth.

 

[Sinthesis]

If you consider all the pagan mythologies, it should not be surprising that throughout history some would try to infect the Judeo-Christian traditions with paganesque elements.

 

[Corn Pop]

If you consider all the pagan mythologies, it should not be surprising that throughout history some would try to infect the Judeo-Christian traditions with paganesque elements.

Christianity has been majorly infected by paganism. Thats not hard to figure out.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Lets take Enoch. There is nothing to support it.

Enoch walked with God, and then he was no more, because God took him.

So Enoch walked with God and lived a righteous life, then God took him away because he died.

Thats it.

That's more then enough to support what it says.

Look at it this way. It says Enoch was taken by God. And it says Enoch was faithful to God, or walked with God, or was righteous by God (or close to that with the verse translation).

From there the support beams stand with what is rightous. Even if there is no other information mentioned about Enoch, a person could give a presentation of who Enoch was based on what it mesns to be rightous. Or their interptation of what it means to be rightous.

Who knows they might be right on some points out of sheer luck and some good bit of hypothesis.

Knowing where the real information lands is what should be focused on.

 

[Corn Pop]

That's more then enough to support what it says.

Look at it this way. It says Enoch was taken by God. And it says Enoch was faithful to God, or walked with God, or was righteous by God (or close to that with the verse translation).

From there the support beams stand with what is rightous. Even if there is no other information mentioned about Enoch, a person could give a presentation of who Enoch was based on what it mesns to be rightous. Or their interptation of what it means to be rightous.

Who knows they might be right on some points out of sheer luck and some good bit of hypothesis.

Knowing where the real information lands is what should be focused on.

Sorry, what I meant was there is nothing to support anything else.

Enoch lived a righteous life. Then God took him away, and when God takes someone away, it logicaly refers to when someone dies.

 

[Sinthesis]

Christianity has been majorly infected by paganism. Thats not hard to figure out.

You've got it backwards. Christianity infects paganism; co-ops it, and reforms it's false beliefs towards Christ's own purposes so that the original beliefs and practices are overtaken in God's glory.

 

[Corn Pop]

You've got it backwards. Christianity infects paganism; co-ops it, and reforms it's false beliefs towards Christ's own purposes so that the original beliefs and practices are overtaken in God's glory.

People who seek not the truth bring judgement on themselves.

Its all the Most Highs work. Division. Hes testing whos for the truth and whos not.

 

[JohnDB]

Talmudic writings are the basis of these tales. All kinds of stories were commonplace at one time from what Cain said to Abel on the way out to the field to Enoch's lifestyle. Same with Elijah.
Same with Jesus' boyhood.

Thinking of these stories as truth is juvenile. Not a one of them has any value for Godly life.

 

[Chopper]

Hey Dan, I agree with your OP. It always has been amusing to me what people can see between the lines, so to speak. In my avatar signature I put, "I refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's Word." I became aware of this problem of adding information to a verse of Scripture back in the 70s. I ran across this Scripture and made up my mind that I would teach only the Word of God and let folk know what was my opinion....
1Corinthians 4:6 "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another."

It has been my experience that when folk go beyond what is written in the Word of God and build fanciful doctrines of their imagination, these folk pride themselves in what they present. What are they? Puffed Up People.

 

[Edward]

I think maybe limited scripture makes the mind go deluded and into fairyland.

Im not talking on here, but seems like mythical storys come out of limited scriptures.

Like Enoch for example. Two verses in the entire bible, and theres full documentries on him type thing, and the nephilim turned into ufos and aliens and fallen demonic beings marring humans. Lol. I mean, how does two verses make a 2 hour documentary?.

People go into fairyland.

I agree, there's limited info about Enoch and the nephilim etc., but it has to mean something, and it's there for a reason.

So, without adding to it or reading into it, what are we supposed to think about it?
You seem to be referring to genesis 6:4 as if it's a fairytale, or has been made into one. So we're there really giants or not?
That's what it says...

 

[JohnDB]

I agree, there's limited info about Enoch and the nephilim etc., but it has to mean something, and it's there for a reason.

So, without adding to it or reading into it, what are we supposed to think about it?
You seem to be referring to genesis 6:4 as if it's a fairytale, or has been made into one. So we're there really giants or not?
That's what it says...

You have to be able to see it in Hebrew to really understand. Being fluent helps. But some charts possibly can help.

But you are correct... It means something with lifespans and begats.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I agree, there's limited info about Enoch and the nephilim etc., but it has to mean something, and it's there for a reason.

So, without adding to it or reading into it, what are we supposed to think about it?
You seem to be referring to genesis 6:4 as if it's a fairytale, or has been made into one. So we're there really giants or not?
That's what it says...

"Metaphors reign where mysteries reside..."
I think you need to take your own advise here.

 

[reba]

Lets take Enoch. There is nothing to support it.

Enoch walked with God, and then he was no more, because God took him.

So Enoch walked with God and lived a righteous life, then God took him away because he died.

Thats it.

And he obviously gave prophecy as referenced in Jude and book of Enoch, but it got corrupted along the way because its half truth half myth.

So Enoch walked with God and lived a righteous life, then God took him away because he died.
Does the Word say he died?

 

[Edward]

"Metaphors reign where mysteries reside..."
I think you need to take your own advise here.

So what's your metaphor then brother? I can't come up with any that come close to making any sense.

No metaphor? Oh come on brother, surely you can come up with something...

 

[Edward]

I liked your other avatar better. We're on a mission from God...lol.

The whole nephilim, fallen angel interpretation of genesis 6 discussions never fare well here on the forum because it shakes people up to their cores. I know, I've been in them and seen them closed. People get mad at even the thought of fallen angels touching our women, and rightly so too. :angry

In a way, I'm almost afraid not to even consider it, because I've heard that deception is a tool of the enemy, and I would like to take the Word of God's advice at least, so I better keep an open mind about it...because that's what it says.

Hosea 4:6
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children./

That's scary, to me. Make no mistake about it though, I'm being perfectly dogmatic when I discuss nephilim. There's no way in the world that I could say with a certainty that the Angel view is or isn't true, I wasn't there...but still,

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter./

The disciples came to Jesus privately, and asked about the end times...The very first words out of Jesus's mouth was, don't be deceived...

Matthew 24:3-4
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.../

That's a warning. Straight from the (God's) mouth, lol. That tells me that I better take heed. If I believe that the bible is the true and inerrant Word of God (I do), then I can't pick and choose what to believe in it.
I may not like it, but it deserves serious consideration because that's what the text says. So I guess, study to show myself approved is in order, lol, instead of a knee jerk.

Proverbs 18:13
13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.../

I dunno. I'm afraid to believe it's true, and afraid not to, lol.
Before, when it was discussed, only weak metonyms were offered on the passage and it's intended meaning.
The op got me thinking about it...I'm bored...

 

[Malachi]

Like Enoch for example. Two verses in the entire bible, and theres full documentries on him type thing,

You might want to take a look at the non-canonical book of Enoch. It would appear that Jude quoted directly out of this book.
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 14,15).
Book of Enoch (1:9):
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones. To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

 

[Edward]

Lets take Enoch. There is nothing to support it.

Enoch walked with God, and then he was no more, because God took him.

So Enoch walked with God and lived a righteous life, then God took him away because he died.

Thats it.

And he obviously gave prophecy as referenced in Jude and book of Enoch, but it got corrupted along the way because its half truth half myth.

That's not entirely true. Do you not think God capable to get the truth to you during your time here? IOW, You don't believe and accept the entire bible?

Matthew 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.../

^ Is that true, or not? .

 

[Malachi]

The whole nephilim, fallen angel interpretation of genesis 6 discussions never fare well here on the forum because it shakes people up to their cores.

That's right. A lot of Christians go into denial when the Nephilim are discussed. But "the angels which kept not their first estate" correspond to "the sons of God" who had intercourse with human women.