[_ Old Earth _] Logical reasons for ancient stories

[keebs]

Then there's Mark Twain.

Ah, while we're tossing out favorite books--Letters From the Earth!

He saved out Noah and his family, and arranged to exterminate the rest. He planned an Ark, and Noah built it. Neither of them had ever built an Ark before, nor knew anything about Arks; and so something out of the common was to be expected. It happened. Noah was a farmer, and although he knew what was required of the Ark he was quite incompetent to say whether this one would be large enough to meet the requirements or not (which it wasn't), so he ventured no advice. The Deity did not know it wasn't large enough, but took the chances and made no adequate measurements. In the end the ship fell far short of the necessities, and to this day the world still suffers for it.

You have never seen a person with clothes on. Oh, well, you haven't lost anything.

 

[Guest]

We do not see animals in any stage of transition from animal to human.

How do you know? A transitional phase is only determined after speciation, because before it really happens, you can't tell whether it is occuring or not.

On a side note, I don't see how your your not drinking is a sign of God. I don't drink, never have, and I doubt I ever will (no desire), but I attribute that to self-restraint, not God.

:D There are no one winged birds,or any apes that are in any stage
of human development. It would be seen,no doubt if it had ever happened
and it has not been seen. Although Satanists certainly do have a change
in their appearance and demons use all sorts of disguises.
You were not there when God revealed himself to me. I was a drinker
who had no restraint,and I was very worldly. I am not saying that every
sinner does the same thing,but they most likely have alot more in common with the world than they do with God. When God helped me
stop drinking,that was not the first time he revealed himself to me.
This is probably not something you will ever understand until it happens
to you. It's the sick who need a Doctor. You may think you don't need
any help about anything,but if you deny God,you need more help than
you know right now.I'm sorry that you doubt what I tell you,but by the
same token,I doubt you too. Not because I think you are rotten to the
core,but because of experience and the things God has let me know.
I hope you will seek God with your whole heart one day. Thats the
way to find him,not church,and not a book,and not other people.
Finding God is a one on one thing! The book helps,but not until you seek
God first.

 

[Guest]

Then there's Mark Twain.

Ah, while we're tossing out favorite books--Letters From the Earth!

[quote:8e6ff]He saved out Noah and his family, and arranged to exterminate the rest. He planned an Ark, and Noah built it. Neither of them had ever built an Ark before, nor knew anything about Arks; and so something out of the common was to be expected. It happened. Noah was a farmer, and although he knew what was required of the Ark he was quite incompetent to say whether this one would be large enough to meet the requirements or not (which it wasn't), so he ventured no advice. The Deity did not know it wasn't large enough, but took the chances and made no adequate measurements. In the end the ship fell far short of the necessities, and to this day the world still suffers for it.

[/quote:8e6ff]

:P So were all the different races of people also on the Ark with Noah?
Not only was the Ark large enough to do what it had to do,but more and
more Archaeological evidence proves the bible is right,and many
archaeologists have been saved because of it,amen.

 

[ThinkerMan]

There are no one winged birds,or any apes that are in any stage
of human development.

I know of no evolutionary theory that says that either of those would ever, or have ever occured in the case of your one-winged bird.

If you believe to the contrary, please post an evolutionist who says that those things should be observable today.

That is why it is strawman blue, you are defeating arguments NEVER made by evolution, and claiming victory. Thus, your argument is fallacious.

 

[Guest]

Blue.

Why are you so stuck on my intellegence (or my presumed lack thereof).

Being such a drooling idiot, you should be able to destroy my posts with one swift sentence or piece of evidence, though you never have.

Please note I apologized on another thread for such comments I have made in the past. As have many, many others.

You, however, have yet to do so and continue with the ad hominem.

:wink: Thinkerman,the only thing I can apologize for is offending
you. I didn't mean to do that,but Icannot apologize for wanting you
to be saved. I cannot do that.
I didn't say you were an idiot,I am saying that if you boast about being
intelligent,then you should naturally shun rediculous bahavior and things
that are & that should no longer be appealing to you for your age.

 

[ThinkerMan]

I am saying that if you boast about being
intelligent

Please find and quote where I boasted of being intellegent.

then you should naturally shun rediculous bahavior and things
that are & that should no longer be appealing to you for your age.

Laughter is timeless.

Read Shakespeare, he's full of dirty humor...funny stuff too.

 

[Guest]

There are no one winged birds,or any apes that are in any stage
of human development.

I know of no evolutionary theory that says that either of those would ever, or have ever occured in the case of your one-winged bird.

If you believe to the contrary, please post an evolutionist who says that those things should be observable today.

That is why it is strawman blue, you are defeating arguments NEVER made by evolution, and claiming victory. Thus, your argument is fallacious.

:smt035 Thinkerman,it is obvious that if you say that we all came
from the animal kingdom that there should be evidence from it that
can be seen and have been noted.There is no evidence,and TOE
cannot say it has any proof.

 

[Asimov]

There are no one winged birds,or any apes that are in any stage
of human development.

I know of no evolutionary theory that says that either of those would ever, or have ever occured in the case of your one-winged bird.

If you believe to the contrary, please post an evolutionist who says that those things should be observable today.

That is why it is strawman blue, you are defeating arguments NEVER made by evolution, and claiming victory. Thus, your argument is fallacious.

:smt035 Thinkerman,it is obvious that if you say that we all came
from the animal kingdom that there should be evidence from it that
can be seen and have been noted.There is no evidence,and TOE
cannot say it has any proof.

We didn't come from the animal kingdom. We are part of the Animal Kingdom.

 

[keebs]

So were all the different races of people also on the Ark with Noah?
Not only was the Ark large enough to do what it had to do,but more and
more Archaeological evidence proves the bible is right,and many
archaeologists have been saved because of it,amen.

It was meant to be a humorous quote. But, it says nothing about the different races of people (though I would suppose they wouldn't be there, because they would then count as people). Give me some of this archaeological evidence, please? The only proof I've seen for the ark has been in a "World News" article, and it was right next to the article about Osama Bin Laden's midget army and the Loch Ness monster's long lost twin brother...

 

[Guest]

I am saying that if you boast about being
intelligent

Please find and quote where I boasted of being intellegent.

[quote:3ae1d]then you should naturally shun rediculous bahavior and things
that are & that should no longer be appealing to you for your age.

Laughter is timeless.

Read Shakespeare, he's full of dirty humor...funny stuff too.[/quote:3ae1d]

:smt043 Perhaps you didn't think you were boasting,but it did
come across that way to me. I enjoy laughter a great deal everyday,
but what I find humorous may not be what you find humorous?
I did find the Movie, "What about Bob" with Bill Murray to be very
funny,and " Outrageous Fortune" with Shelly Long and Bette Midler
was very funny too,but most secular movies are not very funny to
me anymore. The dirty words and the silliness in most are not funny
to me. "What about Bob" was well written however for a secular movie.

 

[Guest]

So were all the different races of people also on the Ark with Noah?
Not only was the Ark large enough to do what it had to do,but more and
more Archaeological evidence proves the bible is right,and many
archaeologists have been saved because of it,amen.

It was meant to be a humorous quote. But, it says nothing about the different races of people (though I would suppose they wouldn't be there, because they would then count as people). Give me some of this archaeological evidence, please? The only proof I've seen for the ark has been in a "World News" article, and it was right next to the article about Osama Bin Laden's midget army and the Loch Ness monster's long lost twin brother...

Just type in Noah's Ark and click on search!
Well,you think the ark wasn't big enough to carry all the creatures
on earth,yet there were only 8 people on board,and who knows the
number of animals? I have seen mexican people who married black
people have children who shared both races. Cross breeding is not
evolution.If all this continues with all races inter-marrying,we will all
be of one blood again.We are all learning to have one language again
so soon we shall all see what happens. It may have been a joke,but
it's silly to say that the Ark couldn't carry all the animals that were
needed to produce the animals and creatures we have today.
Cats still only make other cats,and the same holds true of all creatures
and animals alike.Humans can have children with other humans of any
race.

 

[keebs]

What relevance does that have with anything? I did not say anything against people being able to reproduce inter-racially. But, of course, if we eventuall became "one blood" again, it would be evolution. So, you have even predicted the evolution of our species...

 

[Guest]

What relevance does that have with anything? I did not say anything against people being able to reproduce inter-racially. But, of course, if we eventuall became "one blood" again, it would be evolution. So, you have even predicted the evolution of our species...

:P Keebs,it cannot possibly help prove anything to do with
evolution at all,but it does show the bible is right,and that your
false religion is wrong!

 

[keebs]

If, in the future, everyone is one race, than that is considered evolution. And, as I've said before, evolution is not a religion. And how exactly does it prove the bible right?

 

[Guest]

I am saying that if you boast about being
intelligent

Please find and quote where I boasted of being intellegent.

[quote:f1418]then you should naturally shun rediculous bahavior and things
that are & that should no longer be appealing to you for your age.

Laughter is timeless.

Read Shakespeare, he's full of dirty humor...funny stuff too.[/quote:f1418]

:roll: If I found all your quotes you'd still be complaining,though
I might do it anyway. Look at your avatar for instance. what message
is it sending? Do you think you are Einstein?

 

[keebs]

He could simply admire Einstein. Look at your icon, do you think you're a cartoon character. If so, what does that say about your morals and intelligence? Because if I remember correctly, only unintelligent people without morals like cartoons...

 

[Guest]

If, in the future, everyone is one race, than that is considered evolution. And, as I've said before, evolution is not a religion. And how exactly does it prove the bible right?

:roll: No it is not! That is considered going back to what we all
were,One Race as the holy bible says.
Yes,your evolution is from ancient pagan religion. Whether you
admit that or not is up to you. If you want people to believe you
know all about evolution you will one day realize that you'd better
start admiting where it comes from. It comes from the ancient pagans
and it's a shame that I know more about it than you do!

 

[keebs]

If everyone in a population is of one race, that is a severe change in the populations skin color allele frequency, meaning that evolution has occurred. And, neo-Darwinism is not an ancient pagan religion.

 

[Guest]

He could simply admire Einstein. Look at your icon, do you think you're a cartoon character. If so, what does that say about your morals and intelligence? Because if I remember correctly, only unintelligent people without morals like cartoons...

8-) It looks alot like my picture and it's a still cartoon. It's not
doing anything gross. I am not using my own picture out of respect
for my husband. He doesn't want other men to see my picture on the
internet. I don't sit and watch cartoons,unlike some of you who claim to
be soooooooooooooooo smart!

 

[ThinkerMan]

Look at your avatar for instance. what message
is it sending? Do you think you are Einstein

keebs is right, I simply respect the man. He was a tremendously open-minded intellectual, and I can only hope to emulate him. He had probably the greatest ability know to be able to think through problems. He was fair, and had a generally unique ability to concede when he was wrong.

Ironically, one of his biggest concessions of being in error, was in fact, proved correct just recently. That sort of intellectual honesty is to be admired, if one can only strive to do the same.

He also had a keen sense of humor, which I appreciate.

I don't sit and watch cartoons,unlike some of you who claim to
be soooooooooooooooo smart!

Cartoons these days are not the "Tom & Jerry" of the past. Shrek, Toy Story, Finding Nemo, etc are phenominal stories for kids and adults alike.

The Simpson's remains the wittiest show on TV, and the Family Guy (before it's sad early demise) was one of the funniest.

"Cartoon" does not equal kids anymore. Its not like I get home from work, and flip on "Inspector Gadget" or "He-Man".