Bible Study looking at the bible from a hebrew mindset

[eddif]

The dividing wall we stand by is really something. I am personally interested in finding ways to break it down (it sure received a large crack by Paul, but we try and plaster the crack LOL).
Edit: I better get it together
Ephesians 3:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Jesus broke it down we have plastered it up
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Ask a Jewish person who crucified Jesus, and they will tell you the Gentiles. True; the gentiles held the nails and hammer, provided the cross, etc.

Ask a Gentile person who instigated the crucifiction of Jesus, and they will tell you the jewish religious leadership. True; some jews stirred up the matter.

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. A Jew and a Gentile should find that stone(?) in the wall and remove it.

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The gentiles have had almost 2000 years to develop their commentaries on the bible, and I can assure you they now have just about as many traditions as the jewish community. So IMHO it would make sense for a Jew and a Gentile to remove that tradition stone (? I do not know what the wall is made of) dividing us.

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If both groups tended toward reading the bible it might be better. I am not against good written and oral information about the Bible, but some of it is not that great and divides us from each other. Jews are divided from Jews; Gentiles are divided from Gentiles; Jews are divided from Gentiles and any number of other combinations. It would not be good to start from square one and just develop a new set of traditions, but honestly the Bible makes it's on commentary in some cases.

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Without this thread I would not have seen what I see. Jason sees Jesus in the OT and NT. Do we see all see Jesus or do we see Luther, Calvin or Jewish writers interposed over what the text reads. I talk and write about symbolism. I have to really struggle to not just live in a world of symbols. The word became flesh and dwelt among men (full of Grace etc).

I hope we all work at tearing down the wall. Not cut a few gaps in the wall and assign groups to care for their section of the wall; but get the wall into a rubble condition. A forensic study of the rubble might be ok (?).

Thanks for starting this thread Jason. Maybe I have warped the original direction a little, but I am learning every time I read comments folks are making.

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[jasoncran]

messianic judaism is what i mean, while not heretical. these miss understand that the law is very much a spiritual teacher. torah means teaching. they assume that the law is still in effect by saying that jesus didnt come to destroy it but to fullfill it. while true, they assume that we can do the feasts etc. yes we do have that liberty but when and if the third temple and the torah per jewish thought they will have problems. one cant knowingly offer a sin sacrifice for our sins after ad 70.

 

[Sinthesis]

Imagine a new Jewish temple in which Jews every year offer an atonement sacrifice, yet the thread never changes color, just as it didn't change from 30AD-70AD.

 

[eddif]

Imagine a new Jewish temple in which Jews every year offer an atonement sacrifice, yet the thread never changes color, just as it didn't change from 30AD-70AD.

LOL
Imagine a gentile who is so lukewarm, that upon praying no blood flow ever is seen in his veins and arteries. The kingdom of God is inside us. I am really not totally speaking of a physical reaction, but of a spiritual movement that causes a physical action.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

I do not think it is fair to target the other group everytime we speak. Usually our bunch has issues too. We are one in Christ.

Jesus broke down the wall. Let us kick the wall we have seemingly set back up.

gentile jerk
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