Looking for a virgin wife to marry

[farouk]

On dA, I've come across several stamps that say things like "Virgin and proud". (Stamps are like little shoutboxes where you can voice your opinion. Or whatever you want to, really. They can also serve as soapboxes. ;) )

We're not in the majority, but we do exist.

questdriven:

I guess it's not so much wearing the outward badge that counts, but the spiritual attitude, right?

In fact, wearing such a badge could even be showing a lot of self-confidence and boasting, I guess.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

I guess it's not so much wearing the outward badge that counts, but the spiritual attitude, right?

In fact, wearing such a badge could even be showing a lot of self-confidence and boasting, I guess.

Yeah, I think so.

 

[farouk]

Yeah, I think so.

questdriven: So really the wearing of such a badge wouldn't have much point. Because what counts is the person's whole experience of the Lord, right?

Having said this, it's very important to abstain from all sin.

 

[Classik]

It shouldn't be terribly important anyway. Imagine you were dating a smart, attractive, god-fearing, football loving young lady who is very much in love with you, too. And then you learn she's not a virgin any more. Would you abandon that promising and otherwise perfect romance because of that virginity thing?

the unifying power of football.

 

[reba]

questdriven:

I guess it's not so much wearing the outward badge that counts, but the spiritual attitude, right?

In fact, wearing such a badge could even be showing a lot of self-confidence and boasting, I guess.

Just make it a tatt sheesh..... some double standards?

I disagree, making a public statement about our values is a way to open dialog. This could open a door to a good discussion on the value of living the way God has set forth.

 

[farouk]

Just make it a tatt sheesh..... some double standards?

reba:

Interesting comment; maybe you could expand a bit on what you mean?

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

PS: reba:

I saw your added comment: this is interesting yes.

I guess the whole point of visible testimony aids is in some way to point to the Lord, rather than to be boasting in oneself. Admittedly different Christians would perceive things in various ways, but it's the Lord that sees the heart.

Blessings.

 

[WIP]

Don't get hung up on whether a woman is a virgin or not. As a Christian the OT law does not apply, and no where in the NT does the Bible specifically say "do not have sex before marriage." You will not find a Greek or Hebrew word referencing that. Sexual immorality, yes, premarital sex, no. The idea that sexual immorality includes premarital sex is implied and assumed, but never actually dictated.

Someone else mentioned a restored virginity. Unless God truly "reversed" the process, it is impossible on a physcal level. Mentally and emotionally I would think it is possible. That is between you and God.

I won't debate this but I will offer this observation. Notice in the following text from the KJV that Jesus does not refer only to married persons but any person. If one is engaged in sexual activity I would find it extremely difficult they have not already progressed way beyond the sin of adultery. Also, since I am aware of your preference for the NASB I have posted that version as well.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
KJV

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. NASB

 

[farouk]

Just make it a tatt sheesh..... some double standards?

I disagree, making a public statement about our values is a way to open dialog. This could open a door to a good discussion on the value of living the way God has set forth.

reba:

You mean, like getting a good, communicative faith-related tattoo?

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

What about people that were non-believers until their mid-twenties or so and thus lived by the carnal ways of the world, but then start following Jesus and repent of their sexual sins of the past. Some people say that cases like that the forgiveness they receive from God would also restore their virginity.
Would those people count as virgins for those of you that look for a virgin wife/ husband?

I think really people are talking about two different things.

With regard to the great, Biblical truth of justification (Romans 5.10), by way of application, there are on the one hand unjustified virgins. And on the other hand, justified non-virgins.

If one is a virgin, then it's good to remain so, until marriage.

But the whole point of the gospel is to become justified by faith in Christ. Mary Magdalen was far, far more blessed than the self-righteous ever were.

 

[farouk]

WIP: It's an important matter, but there are various, other important aspects around faith and marriage, too, and the most important is to be found in faith under grace in repentance.

 

[Blev]

There are still girls boy men and women who have not given in the the lust of the flesh. God's grace is sufficient. And God knows who is telling the truth. And he can bring a virgin into the path of the one they are to marry, that they would met and serve Him together forever.

 

[farouk]

There are still girls boy men and women who have not given in the the lust of the flesh. God's grace is sufficient. And God knows you is telling the truth. And he can bring a virgin into the path of the one they are to marry, that they would met and serve Him together forever.

Blev:

Yes, indeed, Amen.

Or in some circumstances Hosea's situation might be what God allows, in order to teach spiritual lessons, also: especially patience and a forgiving spirit, which, to a far, far greater degree the Lord Jesus showed at the Cross.

 

[Blev]

I was fighting hard to defend our young ones (males and females - that there still exists faithful virgins....0 to 30yrs of age and above). I lost the debate. I was mocked at. They said I was not of this planet. I was alien who knew nothing about the earth.

Classik
Don't feel bad. Just because someone else can debate better about something or does not agree with you does not mean what they think is correct. In some cases, but not always, a person will mock because they can't really back up what they think, so they use ridicule to 'supposedly' win an argument.

 

[farouk]

Classik
Don't feel bad. Just because someone else can debate better about something or does not agree with you does not mean what they think is correct. In some cases, but not always, a person will mock because they can't really back up what they think, so they use ridicule to 'supposedly' win an argument.

Classik: it's not winning debates about abstinence that really counts, but the testimony of the Gospel, and of God's wondrous patience in dealing with erring sinners (as some have erred in that way in the past, but go on to lead happy and blessed marriages in the wholesome fear of God, in faith).

 

[Blev]

Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost and was pregnant with Jesus. The Bible said she never 'knew a man' meaning never had sexual relations. Thats what a virgin truly is and they still are some, male and female. I believe if a faithful Christian wants a true virgin to marry they can ask the Lord and He will bring them one.

That being said, of course when a person gets saved they are forgiven off all their past sins. But that does not change the fact that physically they are not a true virgin. Yet it is not to be held against them any more than anything else some of us did before we were saved and forgiven.

 

[farouk]

Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost and was pregnant with Jesus. The Bible said she never 'knew a man' meaning never had sexual relations. Thats what a virgin truly is and they still are some, male and female. I believe if a faithful Christian wants a true virgin to marry they can ask the Lord and He will bring them one.

That being said, of course when a person gets saved they are forgiven off all their past sins. But that does not change the fact that physically they are not a true virgin. Yet it is not to be held against them any more than anything else some of us did before we were saved and forgiven.

Blev:

He can indeed do so, and He may indeed do so.

I would not suggest any underlying logic, however, that God was wrong to bring Hosea a wife who had strayed. Neither should a Christian be dissatisfied with a faithful Christian spouse that the Lord has brought to him or her, and who is now a faithful believer, whatever the past may be (otherwise self-righteousness starts to come in).

What the Lord intends for marriage 'in the Lord' is for both to be people of faith. It doesn't mean that one or both will not have strayed in the past, however much anguish this might have caused.

 

[Classik]

There are still girls boy men and women who have not given in the the lust of the flesh. God's grace is sufficient. And God knows you is telling the truth. And he can bring a virgin into the path of the one they are to marry, that they would met and serve Him together forever.

Thank you. They are uncountable.:nod

 

[Classik]

Blev: Yes, indeed, Amen. Or in some circumstances Hosea's situation might be what God allows, in order to teach spiritual lessons, also: especially patience and a forgiving spirit, which, to a far, far greater degree the Lord Jesus showed at the Cross.

:dunno :shocked

 

[Classik]

Classik: it's not winning debates about abstinence that really counts, but the testimony of the Gospel, and of God's wondrous patience in dealing with erring sinners (as some have erred in that way in the past, but go on to lead happy and blessed marriages in the wholesome fear of God, in faith).

Thanks