Bible Study Luke 4:28-30

[clark thompson]

Luke 4:28-30 King James Version (KJV)
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Luke 4:28-30 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

28 When they heard this, everyone in the synagogue was enraged. 29 They got up, drove Him out of town, and brought Him to the edge of the hill that their town was built on, intending to hurl Him over the cliff. 30 But He passed right through the crowd and went on His way.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2009 by Holman Bible Publishers, Nashville Tennessee. All rights reserved.

These are my thoughts, please share yours.

28 This was not something people were to do it is as if a man comes in the church today and says he is Jesus who has returned but Jesus would give proof of who He is later, though many still would reject it. Often times sharing the truth will upset people and sometimes they may become angry at us.

29 They intended to kill Him, they were not suppost to throw people off a cliff but were to stone them, they rage prevents them from following the law, often times anger prevents us from having reason.

30 He was able to pass thru because it was not God’s plan for Him to die then and not to die in that way, God’s plan will happen in spite of what others want, be we should not tempt the Lord because we may not know exactly what His plan is.

 

[Deborah13]

29 They intended to kill Him, they were not suppost to throw people off a cliff but were to stone them, they rage prevents them from following the law, often times anger prevents us from having reason.

First the person was given a trial before the court. All capital punishment crimes had to be verified by at least two witnesses.

 

[Chopper]

Luke 4:28-30 King James Version (KJV)
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Luke 4:28-30 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

28 When they heard this, everyone in the synagogue was enraged. 29 They got up, drove Him out of town, and brought Him to the edge of the hill that their town was built on, intending to hurl Him over the cliff. 30 But He passed right through the crowd and went on His way.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2009 by Holman Bible Publishers, Nashville Tennessee. All rights reserved.

These are my thoughts, please share yours.

28 This was not something people were to do it is as if a man comes in the church today and says he is Jesus who has returned but Jesus would give proof of who He is later, though many still would reject it. Often times sharing the truth will upset people and sometimes they may become angry at us.

29 They intended to kill Him, they were not suppost to throw people off a cliff but were to stone them, they rage prevents them from following the law, often times anger prevents us from having reason.

30 He was able to pass thru because it was not God’s plan for Him to die then and not to die in that way, God’s plan will happen in spite of what others want, be we should not tempt the Lord because we may not know exactly what His plan is.

This passage of Scripture has always made me smile to think that they were going to throw this person who they refused to believe was their Messiah and then to have Him disappear right in front of their eyes, must have been quite a shock to them. I'll bet that at least one of them said, "perhaps He is the Messiah."

 

[th1b.taylor]

Luke 4:28-30 King James Version (KJV)
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Luke 4:28-30 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

28 When they heard this, everyone in the synagogue was enraged. 29 They got up, drove Him out of town, and brought Him to the edge of the hill that their town was built on, intending to hurl Him over the cliff. 30 But He passed right through the crowd and went on His way.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2009 by Holman Bible Publishers, Nashville Tennessee. All rights reserved.

These are my thoughts, please share yours.

28 This was not something people were to do it is as if a man comes in the church today and says he is Jesus who has returned but Jesus would give proof of who He is later, though many still would reject it. Often times sharing the truth will upset people and sometimes they may become angry at us.

29 They intended to kill Him, they were not suppost to throw people off a cliff but were to stone them, they rage prevents them from following the law, often times anger prevents us from having reason.

30 He was able to pass thru because it was not God’s plan for Him to die then and not to die in that way, God’s plan will happen in spite of what others want, be we should not tempt the Lord because we may not know exactly what His plan is.

A good, personal rendition and with Chopper's thoughts, a solid Life Application, good stuff.

 

[selihah]

May I ask your understanding of what this story is supposed to tell the reader? Also has anyone ever read the actual prophecy?

 

[th1b.taylor]

May I ask your understanding of what this story is supposed to tell the reader? Also has anyone ever read the actual prophecy?

The story, not being a story but rather a telling of an event is just as it is told. It was not the appointed time for Him to be sacrificed and God, being God was not about to let that happen. The retelling of this event and the retelling of many scriptural events is proof positive that God, was and will always be in control.

There is a lesson, essential to understanding this and many other events, as recorded and that happen in our lifespans, all around us that are scientifically and logically enigmas. (Jeremiah 23:24, [URL='http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Proverbs-15-3/']Proverbs 15:3, Job 34:21)[/URL] These and many others we learn that God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit are everywhere, anywhere and at any time. Jesus gave His Spirit Powers away to become a man because that is the only way the sin debt could ever be paid for men and women, the death and thus the blood of a righteous or sinless man. But Jesus was never without the Father as long as He was here and the Father had already seen and knew these would try to kill Him that assumed the Mantle of Righteousness in their presence.

Difficult teaching; Before Jesus created the Earth and the Universes, the God Head, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit had already been present from the beginning of the Creation throughout the end of it, The Father knew and knows everything that has, is and will happen.

Science Fiction, I know, I thought so also but it' s just truth in it's purest form. So, you see, God, also being Omnipotent, moved Jesus out of harm's way until the required events took place to place Him, hanging by three nails, on the cross. The Life Application for or to the man, woman or child that is, literally, sold out to God has zero reason to worry. Interesting enough, God tells us not to worry 365 times in scripture, once4 for each day of the year.

Hope that helps.

 

[Chopper]

A good, personal rendition and with Chopper's thoughts, a solid Life Application, good stuff.

Hi Bill, have a happy Saturday....I love you!

 

[Deborah13]

Also has anyone ever read the actual prophecy?

I can't say that I do.
I see that this took place on the sabbath and that it was unlawful to carry out a punishment like this on a sabbath.
Also in 1 Chronicles and 2 Kings, this was the method used by the Israelites to dispose of the Edomites.

Please expound on what prophecy you are referring to. Thanks

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hi Bill, have a happy Saturday....I love you!

Good morning, sir. Isn't Good good? I have been a bit lazy for the past two years, not rereading through, but have,k last month began the habit of spending no less than fifteen minutes reading through once more. I'm almost to the birth of Israel's twelfth son. It feels, very, good to be going through and looking for the gems God has hidden there. I would give a lot to never see another claiming the name of our Savior for their own to not admit that they are Pew Whales by stating, openly, they do not read the scriptures. But the one thing constant, besides our Lord, God, is "people will disappoint us."

 

[selihah]

I can't say that I do.
I see that this took place on the sabbath and that it was unlawful to carry out a punishment like this on a sabbath.
Also in 1 Chronicles and 2 Kings, this was the method used by the Israelites to dispose of the Edomites.

Please expound on what prophecy you are referring to. Thanks

sorry I havent responded sooner. I just have few minutes now. You are correct that it took place on the Sabbath. It was not punishment per se. But it riled the congregation enough that they wanted him out of there. It obviously had something to do with the prophecy from Isaiah he just read to them.

What is it about this reading am I supposed to understand that got the congregation so riled up that they wanted Jesus out of there?

 

[th1b.taylor]

sorry I havent responded sooner. I just have few minutes now. You are correct that it took place on the Sabbath. It was not punishment per se. But it riled the congregation enough that they wanted him out of there. It obviously had something to do with the prophecy from Isaiah he just read to them.

What is it about this reading am I supposed to understand that got the congregation so riled up that they wanted Jesus out of there?

Yes but not entirely. Jesus assured them that they were witnessing the fulfillment of those verses, in Jewish Custom, He had just declared He was that fulfillment but these men had witnessed Him growing up the son of Joseph and Mary, thus, Him being the Christ seemed unlikely to them.

 

[selihah]

Yes but not entirely. Jesus assured them that they were witnessing the fulfillment of those verses, in Jewish Custom, He had just declared He was that fulfillment but these men had witnessed Him growing up the son of Joseph and Mary, thus, Him being the Christ seemed unlikely to them.

I see myself as one of those congregants who just heard what he read. Which according to Luke does seem to imply he was stating Jesus was the fufillment of the prophecy Isaiah spoke of. But, my issue is that after having read the prophecy in Isaiah and compared it to what Luke wrote. Like the congregants in the synagog I too find it difficult think the prophecy in Isaiah had anything to do with him and would myself been a little unsettled over it.

Luke 4:18-19 KJV
[18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. …

Isaiah 61:1-2 KJV
[1] … The Spirit of YHVH is upon me; because YHVH hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] To proclaim the acceptable year of YHVH, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; …

Now, from my point of view Isaiah 61:1-2 it appears it wasnt exactly quoted word for word by Luke or Jesus. So, unless this is new evidence there is a different version of Isaiah somewhere. I find the gift of restoring sight to the blind has been added. And the quote which I think is the meat and potatoes of the prophecy that this would be "A day of vengeance to our God; to comfort all mourners, to give to the mourners of Zion glory instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, the cloak of praise instead of a gloomy spirit." has been omitted.

So after reading Isaiah's call to action and prophecy I am somewhat taken aback that Jesus seems to be attributing to himself the glory of certain actions he had not performed. As it appears to me Isaiah spoke only of himself "The Lord hath anointed me," means nothing more than that he (Isaiah) had received the Divine unction as a prophet. It was he (Isaiah) who was sent forth to offer consolation, in order that the Israelites, during their long sufferings, should not despair. The exiled children of Israel, were addressed by the prophets "as the afflicted, the broken-hearted, the captives, the prisoners, the mourners of Zion." They alone stood in need of the prophetic consolatory promises, and to whom alone they had reference.

Thats my .2 cents.

Any ideas or thoughts?

 

[Deborah13]

Any ideas or thoughts?

My first thought is a question, should we discuss the Isaish verses and Jesus use of them in this thread? I think it will take us way off into a discussion about other things besides these verses in this Bible Study.

As for how the people react to His use of Isaiah, they don't appear to be that upset about it.
Luk 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
So they found His words to be filled with grace. But then they questioned, because of who He is.
They probably wanted Him to prove Himself by doing miracles. From other scripture we know that Jesus could do little miracles there, because of their lack of faith, in Him.
Mar 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
I would propose that it was what He said about the people of Israel, in Elijah's day and in Elisha's day, that got them so upset.
During Elijah's time the people were worshiping pagan gods. They didn't listen to and believe Elijah, anymore than these people would hear Jesus. God sent Elijah, only to a Gentile widow woman who truly believed in God.
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
1Ki 17:24 And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Here again, only the Syrian gets healed of leprosy, in all the land of Israel. He has a Hebrew slave girl that sends him to Elisha. He doesn't want to obey Elisha, but he is desperate and takes the chance that the words that Elisha speaks, just might be true.

When God sent prophets to warn Israel they hated the prophet.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
And so it is with Jesus, too. They won't hear Him either.
It is interesting that He mentions that the drought that Elijah prays over Israel is 3.5 yrs. long, He says God shut up the heavens to Israel for 3.5 yrs.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I see myself as one of those congregants who just heard what he read. Which according to Luke does seem to imply he was stating Jesus was the fufillment of the prophecy Isaiah spoke of. But, my issue is that after having read the prophecy in Isaiah and compared it to what Luke wrote. Like the congregants in the synagog I too find it difficult think the prophecy in Isaiah had anything to do with him and would myself been a little unsettled over it.

Luke 4:18-19 KJV
[18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. …

Isaiah 61:1-2 KJV
[1] … The Spirit of YHVH is upon me; because YHVH hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] To proclaim the acceptable year of YHVH, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; …

Now, from my point of view Isaiah 61:1-2 it appears it wasnt exactly quoted word for word by Luke or Jesus. So, unless this is new evidence there is a different version of Isaiah somewhere. I find the gift of restoring sight to the blind has been added. And the quote which I think is the meat and potatoes of the prophecy that this would be "A day of vengeance to our God; to comfort all mourners, to give to the mourners of Zion glory instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, the cloak of praise instead of a gloomy spirit." has been omitted.

So after reading Isaiah's call to action and prophecy I am somewhat taken aback that Jesus seems to be attributing to himself the glory of certain actions he had not performed. As it appears to me Isaiah spoke only of himself "The Lord hath anointed me," means nothing more than that he (Isaiah) had received the Divine unction as a prophet. It was he (Isaiah) who was sent forth to offer consolation, in order that the Israelites, during their long sufferings, should not despair. The exiled children of Israel, were addressed by the prophets "as the afflicted, the broken-hearted, the captives, the prisoners, the mourners of Zion." They alone stood in need of the prophetic consolatory promises, and to whom alone they had reference.

Thats my .2 cents.

Any ideas or thoughts?

And except for Jewish customs, your point would be valid. They understood Jesus to be proclaiming Himself to be Messiah. And therein lays the big issue. The scriptures are not written from our day to day perspective and people, in the general sense, are to lazy to dig. The LORD made Himself known to me in November of '66 and I would not submit until 1/1/'90, giving me the time to learn a good bit more than I really needed to believe and a lot more time than required to wallow in my favorite sins. From all of that I gained an unusually deep perspective.

God bless.

 

[selihah]

And except for Jewish customs, your point would be valid. They understood Jesus to be proclaiming Himself to be Messiah. And therein lays the big issue. The scriptures are not written from our day to day perspective and people, in the general sense, are to lazy to dig. The LORD made Himself known to me in November of '66 and I would not submit until 1/1/'90, giving me the time to learn a good bit more than I really needed to believe and a lot more time than required to wallow in my favorite sins. From all of that I gained an unusually deep perspective.

God bless.

And may God bless you tb1.Taylor and Deborah13

Again, my intention was not to criticize your belief but simply bring to the table another point of view. That you and others may gain an understanding why they (and I) have trouble with Lukes writings in regards to Jesus's use of Isaiah 61.

Peace y'all

 

[Deborah13]

And may God bless you tb1.Taylor and Deborah13

Again, my intention was not to criticize your believe but simply bring to the table another point of view. That you and others may gain an understanding why they (and I) have trouble with Lukes writings in regards to Jesus's use of Isaiah 61.

Peace y'all

Is it possible that Jesus could have been quoting from more than one scripture in Isaiah?
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

 

[Brother Mike]

Is it possible that Jesus could have been quoting from more than one scripture in Isaiah?
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Jesus quoted lots of things in Isaiah.

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
(Isa 61:1-2)

For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
(Isa 61:11)

The Last scripture shows this will come to pass and effect all nations. Isaiah did not do that, He was a prophet given to help a certain group of people (Israel). Isaiah's mission was not bind up the broken hearted, He was sent to warn Israel.

I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
(Isa 63:7)

Isaiah is making the way for the Messiah, and showing a connection between suffering and sin. If you continue in the Lord's things, good things come.

Just because someone is confused about Luke, gives us no indication we should pay much attention to them.

 

[Deborah13]

The Last scripture shows this will come to pass and effect all nations. Isaiah did not do that, He was a prophet given to help a certain group of people (Israel). Isaiah's mission was not bind up the broken hearted, He was sent to warn Israel.

Did someone say it was Isaiah's mission to bind up the broken hearted? I missed that.
Isaiah gave many prophecies about the coming Messiah. Especially Isaiah 53, I would say.

 

[Brother Mike]

Did someone say it was Isaiah's mission to bind up the broken hearted? I missed that.
Isaiah gave many prophecies about the coming Messiah. Especially Isaiah 53, I would say.

Isaiah's mission was to Israel and teach that serving God brings blessings. Sin brings bad things.

His mission was also to proclaim the Word of God given to him by the Holy Spirit of things to come to pass, and one of those was the Anointed Messiah who's mission was to all nations.

His mission was not to bind the broken Hearted, He preached judgement and the mercy of God.

 

[Deborah13]

His mission was not to bind the broken Hearted

I have no idea why you keep making this point. ?