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Bible Study Man has Immortal Soul ? Bible says NO !

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Jay T

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""For this corruption must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality....and this mortal shall have to put on immortality.....death is swallowed up in victory", (1 Corithians 15:53,54).

"King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.....who 'ONLY' has immortality dwelling in the light which no man can approach...", (1 Timothy 6:15,16).


The Bible defines what a soul is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hot_ice/part ... atasoulis/
 
Yup, I sure did. All I see is an avoidance of obvious verses.

But, if you've already studied that out, then look at what the Bible says in Ezekiel 18:4......"The soul that sins, it shall die".
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Taken out of context, like it usually is. I have posted a somewhat indepth look at the context of this passage before; I'll see if I can find it.
 
Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Of course, there are differing definitions of "soul" and "spirit", but this text identifies that the soul and spirit are separate.


~serapha~
 
Jay T,

This is from the site you gave:

In death, the reverse process takes place, and can be represented by the following equation:
BODY - (minus) BREATH OF LIFE = ABSENCE OF THE SOUL
In other words, the soul ceases to exist.

This is saying that when the body is dead there is no longer any soul, isn't it?
 
BODY - (minus) BREATH OF LIFE = ABSENCE OF THE SOUL
In other words, the soul ceases to exist.

This is saying that when the body is dead there is no longer any soul, isn't it?
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Like the man says, the soul [psuche] or [nephesh] ceases to exist.
Like the man says, the life [psuche] or [nephesh] ceases to exist.
Like the man says, the person [psuche] or [nephesh] ceases to exist.


Man is a living soul (Gen. 2:7 / 1 Cor. 15:45)

So are the fish and creatures in the sea (Rev. 16:3).

The beasts of the Earth, the fowl of the air, everything that creeps upon the Earth are living souls (Gen. 1:30, kjv margin).


Man does not have an immortal soul, he is a soul.

Check it out here:

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/psuche.html
 
Animals do not have a soul. God gave mankind a soul as it is written that man became a living soul. It never mentions anything that animals have a living soul. They're just a breath of life. When God made man in his image and likeness, that also includes having an eternal soul that will never cease, just like God's soul.
 
James 1979

Animals do not have a soul. God gave mankind a soul as it is written that man became a living soul. It never mentions anything that animals have a living soul.
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The beasts of the Earth, the fowl of the air, everything that creeps upon the Earth are living souls (Gen. 1:30, kjv margin).

So are the fish and creatures in the sea (Rev. 16:3, kjv) -- "....every living soul died in the sea. "

"......and every living thing in the sea died" (Rev 16:3, New Revised Standard Version).

God gave mankind a soul ......
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God didn't give mankind a soul; man IS A SOUL (Gen 2:7), a being, a living thing.


http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/psuche.html
 
Hi there!

:angel:



Would someone be so kind as to define "soul" in Hebrew and in Greek, I want the universal meaning of the word that is to be used in EVERY usage of the word...


Please cite the language scholar who supports that theory as you post.


~serapha~
 
Bob10 said:
If "soul" is just one translation... then why are you chosing to decide that "soul" must fit your theology...
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????????

"soul" is just one of many English translations for nephesh.


nephesh can mean: creature, thing, life, beast, the soul, breath, fish, her.......http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html
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Hi there!

Then why are you choosing to use the translation of "nephesh" to mean mortal man when Hebrew and Greek teach that it is a concept.


~serapha~
 
Don't quite understand what you mean by "concept".

People are real. People are called "souls".

"And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls" [nephesh] (Gen. 46:27).

Rachel had fourteen sons, fourteen souls [nephesh] (Gen. 46:22).

All the people who followed Jacob into Egypt were threescore and six souls [nephesh] (Gen. 46:26).
 
Bob10 said:
Don't quite understand what you mean by "concept".

People are real. People are called "souls".

"And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls" [nephesh] (Gen. 46:27).

Rachel had fourteen sons, fourteen souls [nephesh] (Gen. 46:22).

All the people who followed Jacob into Egypt were threescore and six souls [nephesh] (Gen. 46:26).
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Hi there!


In Hebrew and in Greek, the word for "soul" is a concept.... not a specific, limited meaning such as "person".

You may quote Bible passages all day long that refer to the "soul" as to being a "person"... but not all the translations of the word "soul" can fit that description. I've already asked for the 400+ examples that are NOT meaning a person. Perhaps you could help there?



~serapha~
 
You may quote Bible passages all day long that refer to the "soul" as to being a "person"... but not all the translations of the word "soul" can fit that description.
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I've already asked for the 400+ examples that are NOT meaning a person. Perhaps you could help there?
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serapha,

I can not list 400, but here are a few. The url links I provided (below) should also help.

You are right. Not all translations of the word "soul" means person.

nephesh is also translated as:

"creature" - Gen. 1:21, 24; 2:19; 9:10, 12. Lev. 11:46.
"thing" - Lev. 11:10. Ezek. 47:9.
"life" - Gen. 1:20, 30.
"beast" - Lev. 24:18. (See margin kjv.)
"breath" - Job 41:21
"fish" - Isa. 19:10. (See margin, kjv)
"her" - Jer. 2:24.
"ghost" - Job 11:20. Jer. 15:9.
"themselves" - Isa. 47:14.
"dead body" - Num. 9:6, 7, 10.
"body" - Lev. 21:11. Num. 6:6; 19:11, 13. Hag. 2:13.
"appetite" - Prov. 23:2. Ecc. 6:7.
"greedy" - Isa. 56:11.
"discontented" - 1Sam. 22:2. http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/
"herself" Isa. 5:14 (R.V. her desire).


http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/psuche.html
 
The basic meaning of nephesh is throat.

Thus, the Bible refers to the hungry, thirsty, satisfied, soul (Psalms 107:5, Psalms 107:9; Proverbs 27:7; Jeremiah 31:12, Jeremiah 31:25).

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Satan is permitted by God to take health, that is flesh and blood, but Satan cannot take the bare life of a person (Job 2:5-6) ----

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in your hand; but save his life [nephesh]".

http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5974
 
Bob10 said:
You may quote Bible passages all day long that refer to the "soul" as to being a "person"... but not all the translations of the word "soul" can fit that description.
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[quote:a5738]I've already asked for the 400+ examples that are NOT meaning a person. Perhaps you could help there?
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serapha,

I can not list 400, but here are a few. The url links I provided (below) should also help.

You are right. Not all translations of the word "soul" means person.

nephesh is also translated as:

"creature" - Gen. 1:21, 24; 2:19; 9:10, 12. Lev. 11:46.
"thing" - Lev. 11:10. Ezek. 47:9.
"life" - Gen. 1:20, 30.
"beast" - Lev. 24:18. (See margin kjv.)
"breath" - Job 41:21
"fish" - Isa. 19:10. (See margin, kjv)
"her" - Jer. 2:24.
"ghost" - Job 11:20. Jer. 15:9.
"themselves" - Isa. 47:14.
"dead body" - Num. 9:6, 7, 10.
"body" - Lev. 21:11. Num. 6:6; 19:11, 13. Hag. 2:13.
"appetite" - Prov. 23:2. Ecc. 6:7.
"greedy" - Isa. 56:11.
"discontented" - 1Sam. 22:2. http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/
"herself" Isa. 5:14 (R.V. her desire).


http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/nephesh.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/psuche.html[/quote:a5738]

Excuse me, but in reading "that" site concerning 'soul, spirit, body' ... I am told that animals have a soul.


Do you believe that animals have a soul? If so, what differentiates humans from the animal life? For that matter, reptiles have blood and therefore must have souls also?


~serapha~


http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/body-soul-spirit.html

Animals have a soul also, which, again, is in the blood.
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Animals have a soul also, which, again, is in the blood.
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I would not have put it quite that way. I believe Leviticus is talking about the blood in humans and animals; it is what keeps us alive: "For it is the life of all flesh" (Lev 17:14). "For the life of the flesh is in the blood" (Lev 17:11).

Jesus bled to death. Jesus "poured out His soul [nephesh] - His life's blood - unto death" (Isa 53:12).


http://ecclesia.org/truth/body-soul-spirit.html
 
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