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Bible Study Man has Immortal Soul ? Bible says NO !

The Soul

A few notes that I have:

"scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

The expression "living souls" speaks of the entire animate creation generally, "every animal of the field and every flyer of the heavens" (Gen.2:19; cp 2:24,30), even "the great sea monsters and all the moving living souls with which the waters swarm" (Gen.1:20,21).

Soul is a phenomenon; it is the perception of the senses. It encompasses all sensation, all that is experienced by means of the sentient faculties. By association, soul is the capacity for seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, and smelling. In itself, soul consists in the sensation of these things themselves. Man, like the animals, is a "living soul" (Gen.1:21; 2:7). While both are living creatures, they are termed (by association) living "souls." This is because they are not only living creatures but are living creatures which possess soul, that is, sentient capacity. Both man and beast are termed living souls because they are living creatures which, through sentient faculties, are capable of experience.


http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Librar ... Unseen.htm

also scripture references for words translated as "soul"

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Librar ... app13.html

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Librar ... gDeath.htm
 
Re: The Soul

Shana said:
A few notes that I have:

"scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

Can Our Dead Speak to Us?

The ministration of holy angels, as presented in the Scriptures, is a truth most comforting and precious to every follower of Christ. But the Bible teaching upon this point has been obscured and perverted by the errors of popular theology. The doctrine of natural immortality, first borrowed from the pagan philosophy, and in the darkness of the great apostasy incorporated into the Christian faith, has supplanted the truth, so plainly taught in Scripture, that "the dead know not anything." Multitudes have come to believe that it is spirits of the dead who are the "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation." And this notwithstanding the testimony of Scripture to the existence of heavenly angels, and their connection with the history of man, before the death of a human being.
The doctrine of man's consciousness in death, especially the belief that spirits of the dead return to minister to the living, has prepared the way for modern spiritualism. If the dead are admitted to the presence of God and holy angels, and privileged with knowledge far exceeding what they before possessed, why should they not return to the earth to enlighten and instruct the living? If, as taught by popular theologians, spirits of the dead are hovering about their friends on earth, why should they not be permitted to communicate with them, to warn them against evil, or to comfort them in sorrow? How can those who believe in man's consciousness in death reject what comes to them as divine light communicated by glorified spirits? Here is a channel regarded as sacred, through which Satan works for the accomplishment of his purposes. The fallen angels who do his bidding appear as messengers from the spirit world. While professing to bring the living into communication with the dead, the prince of evil exercises his bewitching influence upon their minds.
He has power to bring before men the appearance of their departed friends. The counterfeit is perfect; the familiar look, the words, the tone, are reproduced with marvelous distinctness. Many are comforted with the assurance that their loved ones are enjoying the bliss of heaven, and without suspicion of danger, they give ear "to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."
When they have been led to believe that the dead actually return to communicate with them, Satan causes those to appear who went into the grave unprepared. They claim to be happy in heaven and even to occupy exalted positions there, and thus the error is widely taught that no difference is made between the righteous and the wicked. The pretended visitants from the world of spirits sometimes utter cautions and warnings which prove to be correct. Then, as confidence is gained, they present doctrines that directly undermine faith in the Scriptures. With an appearance of deep interest in the well-being of their friends on earth, they insinuate the most dangerous errors. The fact that they state some truths, and are able at times to foretell future events, gives to their statements an appearance of reliability; and their false teachings are accepted by the multitudes as readily, and believed as implicitly, as if they were the most sacred truths of the Bible. The law of God is set aside, the Spirit of grace despised, the blood of the covenant counted an unholy thing. The spirits deny the deity of Christ and place even the Creator on a level with themselves. Thus under a new disguise the great rebel still carries on his warfare against God, begun in heaven and for nearly six thousand years continued upon the earth.

Many endeavor to account for spiritual manifestations by attributing them wholly to fraud and sleight of hand on the part of the medium. But while it is true that the results of trickery have often been palmed off as genuine manifestations, there have been, also, marked exhibitions of supernatural power. The mysterious rapping with which modern spiritualism began was not the result of human trickery or cunning, but was the direct work of evil angels, who thus introduced one of the most successful of soul-destroying delusions. Many will be ensnared through the belief that spiritualism is a merely human imposture; when brought face to face with manifestations which they cannot but regard as supernatural, they will be deceived, and will be led to accept them as the great power of God.
These persons overlook the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the wonders wrought by Satan and his agents. It was by satanic aid that Pharaoh's magicians were enabled to counterfeit the work of God. Paul testifies that before the second advent of Christ there will be similar manifestations of satanic power. The coming of the Lord is to be preceded by "the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10. And the apostle John, describing the miracle-working power that will be manifested in the last days, declares: "He doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do." Revelation 13:13, 14. No mere impostures are here foretold. Men are deceived by the miracles which Satan's agents have power to do, not which they pretend to do.
The prince of darkness, who has so long bent the powers of his mastermind to the work of deception, skillfully adapts his temptations to men of all classes and conditions.

Satan beguiles men now as he beguiled Eve in Eden by flattery, by kindling a desire to obtain forbidden knowledge, by exciting ambition for self-exaltation. It was cherishing these evils that caused his fall, and through them he aims to compass the ruin of men. "Ye shall be as gods," he declares, "knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:5. Spiritualism teaches "that man is the creature of progression; that it is his destiny from his birth to progress, even to eternity, toward the Godhead."

It is a law both of the intellectual and the spiritual nature that by beholding we become changed. The mind gradually adapts itself to the subjects upon which it is allowed to dwell.

But none need be deceived by the lying claims of spiritualism. God has given the world sufficient light to enable them to discover the snare. As already shown, the theory which forms the very foundation of spiritualism is at war with the plainest statements of Scripture. The Bible declares that the dead know not anything, that their thoughts have perished; they have no part in anything that is done under the sun; they know nothing of the joys or sorrows of those who were dearest to them on earth.

Furthermore, God has expressly forbidden all pretended communication with departed spirits. In the days of the Hebrews there was a class of people who claimed, as do the spiritualists of today, to hold communication with the dead. But the "familiar spirits," as these visitants from other worlds were called, are declared by the Bible to be "the spirits of devils." (Compare Numbers 25:1-3; Psalm 106:28; I Corinthians 10:20; Revelation 16:14.) The work of dealing with familiar spirits was pronounced an abomination to the Lord, and was solemnly forbidden under penalty of death. Leviticus 19:31; 20:27.

If there were no other evidence of the real character of spiritualism, it should be enough for the Christian that the spirits make no difference between righteousness and sin, sin defined by scripture as breaking any of the 10 commandments---Exodus 20:3-17).



It is true that spiritualism is now changing its form and, veiling some of its more objectionable features, is assuming a Christian guise. But its utterances from the platform and the press have been before the public for many years, and in these its real character stands revealed. These teachings cannot be denied or hidden.

Even in its present form, so far from being more worthy of toleration than formerly, it is really a more dangerous, because a more subtle, deception. While it formerly denounced Christ and the Bible, it now professes to accept both. But the Bible is interpreted in a manner that is pleasing to the unrenewed heart, while its solemn and vital truths are made of no effect. Love is dwelt upon as the chief attribute of God, but it is degraded to a weak sentimentalism, making little distinction between good and evil. God's justice, His denunciations of sin, the requirements of His holy law, are all kept out of sight. The people are taught to regard the Decalogue as a dead letter. Pleasing, bewitching fables captivate the senses and lead men to reject the Bible as the foundation of their faith. Christ is as verily denied as before; but Satan has so blinded the eyes of the people that the deception is not discerned.


Says the prophet Isaiah: "When they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:19, 20. If men had been willing to receive the truth so plainly stated in the Scriptures concerning the nature of man and the state of the dead, they would see in the claims and manifestations of spiritualism the working of Satan with power and signs and lying wonders. But rather than yield the liberty so agreeable to the carnal heart, and renounce the sins which they love, multitudes close their eyes to the light and walk straight on, regardless of warnings, while Satan weaves his snares about them, and they become his prey.


"Because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved," therefore "God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." 2 Thessalonians 2:10, 11.
Those who oppose the teachings of spiritualism are assailing, not men alone, but Satan and his angels. They have entered upon a contest against principalities and powers and wicked spirits in high places. Satan will not yield one inch of ground except as he is driven back by the power of heavenly messengers. The people of God should be able to meet him, as did our Saviour, with the words: "It is written." Satan can quote Scripture now as in the days of Christ, and he will pervert its teachings to sustain his delusions. Those who would stand in this time of peril must understand for themselves the testimony of the Scriptures.

Many will be confronted by the spirits of devils personating beloved relatives or friends and declaring the most dangerous heresies. These visitants will appeal to our tenderest sympathies and will work miracles to sustain their pretensions. We must be prepared to withstand them with the Bible truth that the dead know not anything and that they who thus appear are the spirits of devils.

Just before us is "the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Revelation 3:10. All whose faith is not firmly established upon the word of God will be deceived and overcome. Satan "works with all deceivableness of unrighteousness" to gain control of the children of men, and his deceptions will continually increase. But he can gain his object only as men voluntarily yield to his temptations. Those who are earnestly seeking a knowledge of the truth and are striving to purify their souls through obedience, thus doing what they can to prepare for the conflict, will find, in the God of truth, a sure defense. "Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee" (verse 10), is the Saviour's promise. He would sooner send every angel out of heaven to protect His people than leave one soul that trusts in Him to be overcome by Satan.

The prophet Isaiah brings to view the fearful deception which will come upon the wicked, causing them to count themselves secure from the judgments of God: "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves." Isaiah 28:15.

Marvelous beyond expression is the blindness of the people of this generation. Thousands reject the word of God as unworthy of belief and with eager confidence receive the deceptions of Satan. Skeptics and scoffers denounce the bigotry of those who contend for the faith of prophets and apostles, and they divert themselves by holding up to ridicule the solemn declarations of the Scriptures concerning Christ and the plan of salvation, and the retribution to be visited upon the rejecters of the truth. They affect great pity for minds so narrow, weak, and superstitious as to acknowledge the claims of God and obey the requirements of His law. They manifest as much assurance as if, indeed, they had made a covenant with death and an agreement with hell-- as if they had erected an impassable, impenetrable barrier between themselves and the vengeance of God. Nothing can arouse their fears. So fully have they yielded to the tempter, so closely are they united with him, and so thoroughly imbued with his spirit, that they have no power and no inclination to break away from his snare.
Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. The foundation of his work was laid by the assurance given to Eve in Eden: "Ye shall not surely die." "In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:4, 5. Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time.
Except those who are kept by the power of God, through faith in His word, the whole world will be swept into the ranks of this delusion. The people are fast being lulled to a fatal security, to be awakened only by the outpouring of the wrath of God.
 
The Resurrection

Thanks for sharing, Jay T. I believe that the belief that the soul goes to heaven upon death takes away from the necessity and power of the resurrection. If we are already living forever in heaven, why the need for the resurrection? Paul says that Christ each man will be made alive in his own order (1 Cor. 15) and that if the dead do not rise, "let us eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die" This tells me that immortal life is associated with the resurrection. God bless.
 
It doesn't matter what you all think about what a soul is.
It doesn't matter if you think it dies or not.
All the matters is that Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us so that we can be with him forever.
And if it were not true, then he would have told us so.
 
It doesn't matter what you all think about what a soul is.
It doesn't matter if you think it dies or not.
All the matters is that Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us so that we can be with him forever.
And if it were not true, then he would have told us so.

Allen, allen, allen, I caught you this time :nono resurrecting an old thread. I'll just bet you thought I was :sleep love you anyway:wink
 
So...where does the Bible say 'NO'?
The soul who sins shall die. Ezekiel 18:4
Since the soul can die, it is not immortal.
Fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna. Matthew 10:28
Since the soul can be destroyed, it is not immortal.
 
I agree with Chopper. This is a forum for Bible study discussions. That's why I supplied the Bible verses in answer to a question someone had.
 
I agree with Chopper. This is a forum for Bible study discussions. That's why I supplied the Bible verses in answer to a question someone had.

Hi Timothy, Boy, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Greek. Your computer keybord must have greek letters? How do you do that?
 
Hi Timothy, Boy, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Greek. Your computer keybord must have greek letters? How do you do that?
Thanks Chopper. I've been studying God's Word in the New Testament in Greek for 5 years, I've been studying God's Word in English (Old and New Testaments) since I became a Christian 29 years ago. I also specifically studied the Old Testament and the Prophets when I was at the University.

I'm not aware of any Greek that I've posted in this thread. Do you mean my conversation about the Gospel of John?
That thread is a lot of fun. I'm just posting the verses in Greek and in one translation (The ESV) and the conversation just takes off. The group here is amazing. There is a lot of Bible knowledge on this Forum.

But I think your question has taken us off topic here. PM me if you want.
 
Thanks Chopper. I've been studying God's Word in the New Testament in Greek for 5 years, I've been studying God's Word in English (Old and New Testaments) since I became a Christian 29 years ago. I also specifically studied the Old Testament and the Prophets when I was at the University.

I'm not aware of any Greek that I've posted in this thread. Do you mean my conversation about the Gospel of John?
That thread is a lot of fun. I'm just posting the verses in Greek and in one translation (The ESV) and the conversation just takes off. The group here is amazing. There is a lot of Bible knowledge on this Forum.

But I think your question has taken us off topic here. PM me if you want.

Thanks Biker, now:topic
 
""For this corruption must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality....and this mortal shall have to put on immortality.....death is swallowed up in victory", (1 Corithians 15:53,54).

"King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.....who 'ONLY' has immortality dwelling in the light which no man can approach...", (1 Timothy 6:15,16).


The Bible defines what a soul is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hot_ice/part ... atasoulis/

The word "soul" is not found in the verse you quoted from 1 Corinthians 15:53-54

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

The context in these verse is the Human Body, not the soul.

It is the body that is corruptible.

It is the body that will be changed.

It is the body that shall be incorruptible.

It is this mortal body that will put on immortality.

34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-35

The soul is not what dies, but rather the body.

The inner man, soul/spirit lives on after the body dies.


JLB
 
The Resurrection

Thanks for sharing, Jay T. I believe that the belief that the soul goes to heaven upon death takes away from the necessity and power of the resurrection. If we are already living forever in heaven, why the need for the resurrection? Paul says that Christ each man will be made alive in his own order (1 Cor. 15) and that if the dead do not rise, "let us eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die" This tells me that immortal life is associated with the resurrection. God bless.

Where do those people go when their body dies, while they are awaiting the resurrection?


JLB
 
Where do those people go when their body dies, while they are awaiting the resurrection?


JLB

Hi Brother, :wave2From what I understand, what we call "heaven" and "hell" are both temporary and are pre-resurrection. After the resurrection, there will be a new heaven & earth. These two are our final destination. Christians to the New Jerusalem, and the lost to the lake of fire.
 
Sorry to go off topic but just a quick q&a. Why do some people say 'guests' with no profile?. I seen them in a few old random topics. Just curious.

Ok :topic
My guess is that in the intervening nine years some members have moved on or are no longer with us.
 
Sorry to go off topic but just a quick q&a. Why do some people say 'guests' with no profile?. I seen them in a few old random topics. Just curious.

Ok :topic

As Sinthesis suggests correctly, the members listed as 'Guest' are no longer with us. And considering that this thread concluded on 6 September 2004, I'm not surprised that many of the former members have not made the move with CFnet to this new location.
 
Hi Brother, :wave2From what I understand, what we call "heaven" and "hell" are both temporary and are pre-resurrection. After the resurrection, there will be a new heaven & earth. These two are our final destination. Christians to the New Jerusalem, and the lost to the lake of fire.
:amen
 
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