Many Are Not Forgiving Michael Vick

[handy]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

I just can't get too outraged about Dog fighting or those who do it while we allow for human lives to be killed.

I can get pretty outraged about both. However, this isn't a crime that should unalterably ruin the rest of the life of Vic. He was caught, convicted, and served his time. I think it's time to move on.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Scripture says we all deserve death. Just because does have many desirable traits, it doesn't make them greater than man. Babies offer the same love, forgiveness and companionship and we do not even offer them a fighting chance at life outside of the womb sometimes... I just can't get too outraged about Dog fighting or those who do it while we allow for human lives to be killed.

Let's be honest. Everyone pulls for the dog. The dog can't die in a feel good film nor can we bear to watch dogs or other animals get abused. They are innocent creatures and not dubbed man's best friend for nothing. Of course folks, including me, will get bent out of shape when someone does something as despicable as Mike Vick did and think they can get away with it.

Now, I believe in redemption and forgiveness. By all means, give Vick a second chance and see what he does with it. If he so much as looks at someone funny I would ban him from football for life if I was Goodell.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

See what I don't get is how we want to get all upset at Vic who wronged and did his time, and yet we call the attitudes of player's like Keshawn Johnson and T.O. or "Ocho Sinco" character. If we can let these player's play with thier bad reps it is only fair to let Vic.

 

[JohnEboy1983]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

No dog fighting was not one of them, it was the public outcry that did. ,And because he broke the law. Nobody but Vic has been popped for dog fighting in the history of the NFL, until Vic, so they had no law for it until Vic. But he did break state and federal law. Now people keep bringing up remorse, these people want to see him bleed out of his eyes. They have now put him under a microscope, which is unfair, if he forgets to flush the toilet, he will be dragged into court in leg shackles a ball and chain,a striped prison suit and handcuffs, and brought up on charges, while he is being beaten with a whip. They want to see him break down and cry when ever he sees a dog. But not one of them will go down to the abortion clinic, and stop a doctor from sticking a probe in the base of the skull of a baby. This man is not going to do that again, get of of him, let him alone, reporters camping outside his house, the same type that chased Princess Diana, to her death. Hey do you all think I can get a ride on the space shuttle, to another planet, because I am sick of this one.

Lewis, I am glad the public had such an outcry that he was subject to his sentencing and faced what he did to come back to the NFL. For one, it was good to make an example of what can happen to people who do things like that or what can happen to any other sports star or celebrity which may cause them to think twice about doing horrible things now. Sometimes such people can think they are above the law because their fame and fortune. For two, he or any other well known athlete should know better. They are looked upon as a role model for children, young adults and even adults. He could have changed many young childrens lives causing them to hate animals and to be cruel to animals because they look at him as a role model. You have to look beyond the animal part also and think just how many kids who was under his influence on thats how they are supposed to act are abusive to pets tend to grow up and get caught in many horrible things including rape and murder. What we need is public outcry and what we need is harsher sentences to make a bold example of what can and will happen if people do such horrible things. I read way too many news stories involving people who murder and get away just after serving a few years. We need judges to set examples in those cases as well. So do not think I am targeting or singling out Michael Vick specificly or singling out those who are involved in dog cases only. I would like to see harsher sentences handed down to those who commit horrible crimes that are not related with dog fighting as well. People who think they can get away with such things or knowing that even if they get caught will only serve a minimal sentence will most likely do those acts, but those who know the harsh consequences will think twice. You should also look at the good that may come out of Michael Vicks harsh sentence between the judge, public and NFL. If nobody cried out, he would of probably just paid a fine, did a little or no time in jail and been right back in the NFL likely to re-offend. Unfortunately for Vic he was indeed made the public example, but this happens all the time where people are made as the public example of what will happen if you do this. If you know that is a possibility than maybe you should also keep that in mind before you commit such things. In the bible, Cain was the example of what happened if you murder. Cain didnt know God was going to make him such an example and he probably thought he was going to get away with it. With such an impact on Vic he is likely to not do it again and probably teach people and children how to treat animals and change their lives for the good now.

 

[Lewis]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Good post JohnEboy, but now they should leave him alone, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[JohnEboy1983]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Good post JohnEboy, but now they should leave him alone, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Amen brother! Michael Vic should definitely face no more public humiliation or any more consequences than what he allready has. Glad to see him back in the NFL and have the opportunity to have great things happen for him again.

 

[Apostle Paul]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

There is a difference between forgiving someone and holding them accountable for their actions. We are called to love without measure and forgive without conditions; but we are also called to confront evil and hold people accountable for the evil they have done.

I don't care whether he ever plays ball again, or if he plays this week - the issue is this: has he shown repentance for his actions and has he made amends, or has he just "done his time"?

 

[Blazin Bones]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

There is a difference between forgiving someone and holding them accountable for their actions. We are called to love without measure and forgive without conditions; but we are also called to confront evil and hold people accountable for the evil they have done.

I don't care whether he ever plays ball again, or if he plays this week - the issue is this: has he shown repentance for his actions and has he made amends, or has he just "done his time"?

While i get the idea Paul, I also think it's a stretch to put the aspect of repentance on a person who may never have asked for the most needed of repentances. In the eyes of the sport, maybe repentance is just not doing it again and going out of his way to help shelter animals with the millions he's making. However, to call a spiritual action from a secular game is quite a stretch. I would contend that the body be more concerned about his faith rather than whether he plays again or not, in the most ideal sense.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

See what I don't get is how we want to get all upset at Vic who wronged and did his time, and yet we call the attitudes of player's like Keshawn Johnson and T.O. or "Ocho Sinco" character. If we can let these player's play with thier bad reps it is only fair to let Vic.

The big difference is that Vick shot, drowned and electrocuted defenseless animals himself where I do not believe KJ nor CO has done something evenly remotely linked to such a thing. There is a big difference in being an arrogant arse and committing multiple felonies.

 

[Lewis]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

There is a difference between forgiving someone and holding them accountable for their actions. We are called to love without measure and forgive without conditions; but we are also called to confront evil and hold people accountable for the evil they have done.

I don't care whether he ever plays ball again, or if he plays this week - the issue is this: has he shown repentance for his actions and has he made amends, or has he just "done his time"?

That's between him and God, mankind is never satisfied, they will be on his case for the rest of his life, if he lets them. These people who do not want him to go back to a normal life, are evil people. They want to see Vic nailed to a cross, and then when he dies, they will take his body down and keep shooting it, until there is nothing left. These same evil people will not even fight for the lives of babies, but do something to a dog, and they want you in the electric chair. Don't get me wrong, because I am a animal lover, and I get angry over the cruel treatment of them, but it is over now, he did 2 years let the dude alone, go down to the abortion clinic and give them folks hell. And all of them keep saying they want to see remorse, and even if they do, that won't be enough. Because they have made up minds. Nothing he does will ever be good enough for many of these evil people. If God has forgivin him what's the problem ?

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

lewis amen

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

well i say it here and it shows how evil we really are, in another thread there's debate on whether abortion is muder, the pro-choicers say well not really, but would those individuals say that the killer of the kittens her or she( by drowning ) doesnt want needs to serve life, while the mother who doesnt want her children and aborts them get not a lick of punishement?

i'm an animal lover too and my dog is spayed, but i'm sick and tired of how we people treat each other, it's wrong.

jason

 

[Lewis]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

:amen

 

[Blazin Bones]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Lewis, tell it like it is brother and Jason that's the biggest reason I cannot get upset about what Vic has done. I'm being a dog lover more and more each day, but I will not cry out more for a dog than I will for a baby child. Here's an interesting statistic for you:

Average price for a Pure-Bread Puppy - $500-2500 depending on breed.
Average cost of Adopting a Baby - $5000 - $40,000 or more depending on numerus variables.(Adoption.com)
Average cost of Invitro Pregnancy - $12,400(http://www.asrm.org)

This shows one things: When we are talking Money, a human life is a costly thing, far more than a dog or a pet. However when you start treating a child as a possesion(part of the woman's body/under her control) thier life is worthless and a Dog's life is almost priceless.

Until abortionists and aborters spend a few years in Jail and have to face public scrutiny to regain their lives back, leave Vic alone.

 

[Kilomech]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year. He did his time, now let him play if a team will sign him.

The NFL has certain standards they require of players and obviously one of them was "dog fighting" because they almost did not let him come back to the NFL. You have to be careful how you say things Blazin Bones. I could say the same thing about somebody who works in the US Treasury who was caught stealin money or a Mother who manages the little league baseball funds who was caught stealing. If they do their time, that does not always mean they should be able to come back and do that again after they do their time. And stealing money is far worse than murder of a human, just as dog fighting is far worse than killing a human, but I would be willing to say nobody would want somebody who was stealing out of treasurys to be re-hired again in that same position or probably any position dealing with management of money. Just because they have done their time or because we need to forgive people does not always make it right that they can go back to whatever they were previously doing. I, however am for Michael Vick coming back to the NFL, but I sure hope he doesnt blow it again.. which I dont think he will.

Killing a dog is far worse than killing a human? Are you serious? Dogs have 0 rights. Dogs do not have the feelings a person does. Dogs do not contribute to society the way a person does. You almost saying that Jesus would have a harder time forgiving a dog killer than the person responsible for killing say Peter?

As for watching what I say, in the end you agreed with me that you would like to see Vic back in the NFL. So if I need to watch what I say, indeed you do as well.

1. Dogs do have rights.
For example, you cannot set your dog on fire. You cannot beat your dog. You cannot starve your dog.

2. Dogs do have feelings, but it IS impossible to communicate so fully with a dog that you can tell if it feels exactly the same thing as humans do. Dogs aren't mindless creatures, however. They are actually fairly intelligent. They can count, they can smile, they can play and they can understand commands. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090810025241.htm

3. Dogs DO contribute to society. Yes, even sometimes the way a human does. Police dogs? Fire dogs? Seeing Eye dogs? Do any of these sound familiar?

And no, I'm not saying that killing a dog is worse than killing a human. But it's certainly not something to just wave off and go, "Oh well, it's okay. It was only a dog." to. Michael Vic should be punished for his crimes as the law sees fit. It doesn't matter to me if they let him play football again. Once he serves his sentence, his punishment should not continue unless he does it again.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

killing a police dog is chargeble with two crimes each different animal cruelty,and murder of an law enforcement agent.

no one here is saying that an animal doesnt have feelings, i address the radical mentality that exist too much today, an animal is more important than a person, i've seen it, people will help poor mr.turtle to cross the road at the risk of their lives in heavy traffic, yet drive or walk by the town drunk without thinking twice to say a prayer or see if he needs food, yes buy him food not throw money.

I have no problem at all with animal rescuers i have helped some animals before, but if its animal life or mine sorry that animal looses

jason

 

[Lewis]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

And no, I'm not saying that killing a dog is worse than killing a human. But it's certainly not something to just wave off and go, "Oh well, it's okay. It was only a dog." to. Michael Vic should be punished for his crimes as the law sees fit. It doesn't matter to me if they let him play football again. Once he serves his sentence, his punishment should not continue unless he does it again.

Kilomech

Killing a human is much worse than killing a dog, Genesis 9 : 6, KJV, that passage and the rest of the Bible does not say the same goes if you kill a animal. But does not want you to treat them harshly.

 

[Lewis]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Well when Thursday came and Vic came on to the field to play, he got a standing ovation. And only a handful of protesters were outside, there were supporters for Vic outside the center, and there were non supporters outside the center. And they were facing off with each other, no fighting, but it got nasty as tempers flared on both sides. One supporter said a animals life, is worth just as much as a human's life. Now what do you all think about that statement ? Somebody please answer that statement I have got to hear it. You should have seen the hate in the eyes of the non Vic supporters, these people looked like fools. Now the Vic supporters were shouting, he did his time, so why do you all want to make him pay for the rest of his life, leave him alone. They were almost in each others faces like 3 feet apart. So what do you all think about that statement, that a animals life is worth just as much as a humans life ?

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Well when Thursday came and Vic came on to the field to play, he got a standing ovation. And only a handful of protesters were outside, there were supporters for Vic outside the center, and there were non supporters outside the center. And they were facing off with each other, no fighting, but it got nasty as tempers flared on both sides. One supporter said a animals life, is worth just as much as a human's life. Now what do you all think about that statement ? Somebody please answer that statement I have got to hear it. You should have seen the hate in the eyes of the non Vic supporters, these people looked like fools. Now the Vic supporters were shouting, he did his time, so why do you all want to make him pay for the rest of his life, leave him alone. They were almost in each others faces like 3 feet apart. So what do you all think about that statement, that a animals life is worth just as much as a humans life ?

what do you expect when the educational system embraces only evolution and teaches man is more advanced animal,the churches, mimics the world,but those embrace the teachings of christ know that were are marred by sin, but were created in the image of god, humans recive grace not animals.
jason

 

[Kilomech]

Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Well when Thursday came and Vic came on to the field to play, he got a standing ovation. And only a handful of protesters were outside, there were supporters for Vic outside the center, and there were non supporters outside the center. And they were facing off with each other, no fighting, but it got nasty as tempers flared on both sides. One supporter said a animals life, is worth just as much as a human's life. Now what do you all think about that statement ? Somebody please answer that statement I have got to hear it. You should have seen the hate in the eyes of the non Vic supporters, these people looked like fools. Now the Vic supporters were shouting, he did his time, so why do you all want to make him pay for the rest of his life, leave him alone. They were almost in each others faces like 3 feet apart. So what do you all think about that statement, that a animals life is worth just as much as a humans life ?

what do you expect when the educational system embraces only evolution and teaches man is more advanced animal,the churches, mimics the world,but those embrace the teachings of christ know that were are marred by sin, but were created in the image of god, humans recive grace not animals.
jason

Are you saying that animals lives are worth nothing at all?