Marriage After Death?

[macattack]

So I plan on getting married to my girlfriend soon *yay*. Anyways, I have a question about the whole marriage after death thing. I heard that since your vowels are usually "until death do us part", you won't be in a relationship with your loved one after death. To me, this doesn't seem like heaven at all. I love this woman more than I could ever put into words, and I don't want our love to just end when our bodies do.

If we were sealed together by priesthood authority "for time and for all eternity", would that still mean that I'd be married to her in heaven? I just want to make sure that when we're married, it wont be just for this life but for the next also.

 

[BryanOnALaptop]

.... would that still mean that I'd be married to her in heaven? I just want to make sure that when we're married, it wont be just for this life but for the next also.

No, you will not.

Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

This is Jesus talking to some Sadducees who ask Jesus Who would be married to a women in heaven if after losing several husbands to death. Read Mark 12:18-25 to get a better understanding of the situation

 

[Free]

First, welcome to the forums!

To me, this doesn't seem like heaven at all.

What you are saying with this is that marriage and your future spouse are greater than anything in heaven.

 

[kevkelsar]

.... would that still mean that I'd be married to her in heaven? I just want to make sure that when we're married, it wont be just for this life but for the next also.

No, you will not.

Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

This is Jesus talking to some Sadducees who ask Jesus Who would be married to a women in heaven if after losing several husbands to death. Read Mark 12:18-25 to get a better understanding of the situation

Actually, yes, Jesus is speaking to some Sadducees who would not have been married by the proper authority because they weren't even anywhere close to accepting/living the Gospel. Weren't the Apostles given the power to seal on earth that which will be sealed in Heaven? What was this sealing power? What were they given authority to seal? So, how can you say for sure that you cannot be married after this life? That, my friend, is not a Biblical teaching.

 

[BryanOnALaptop]

Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

That, my friend, is not a Biblical teaching.

If I somehow misunderstood Mark 12:25, my apologies. I truely do not mean to teach againts the word of God. Please explain what Jesus meant in Mark 12:25.

 

[Free]

So, how can you say for sure that you cannot be married after this life? That, my friend, is not a Biblical teaching.

Actually, it is but this--"Sadducees who would not have been married by the proper authority because they weren't even anywhere close to accepting/living the Gospel"--is not.

In the passage in Mark, Jesus is pretty clear that there is no marriage after the resurrection.

 

[jasoncran]

mormons view that vs in mark differently then we do.

jason

 

[kevkelsar]

I won't say that it does or does not teach that there is marriage after this life. And, yes, Jason is correct that in the LDS Church we view that verse very differently as a result of other teachings.

All I'm saying is that the specific teaching of Jesus to these Sadducees should be taken into context. Sadducees did not accept the Gospel, and therefore would not have been involved with any type of marriage within the Gospel (a marriage performed by one called of Jesus, or who had received authority from Jesus, such as the Apostles).

So, just from your (meaning "mainstream" Christianity) point of view, there is no way to say for certain that those verses teach that marriage does not continue into the next life. It only shows that Jesus taught that those who are married outside of the Gospel will not remain married after this life. In fact, there is no where in the Bible that this subject is explicitly explained/taught. No where does it say that specifically that marriages can continue after this life, and no where does it say specifically that marriages cannot continue after this (with the exception of Sadducees, or those who aren't believers).

I apologize if my "not Biblical" statement came across harsh. That was not my intent.

 

[Free]

I won't say that it does or does not teach that there is marriage after this life. And, yes, Jason is correct that in the LDS Church we view that verse very differently as a result of other teachings.

Agreed. You can't be a god of your own world and have spirit babies if you don't have a wife.

All I'm saying is that the specific teaching of Jesus to these Sadducees should be taken into context. Sadducees did not accept the Gospel, and therefore would not have been involved with any type of marriage within the Gospel (a marriage performed by one called of Jesus, or who had received authority from Jesus, such as the Apostles).

The conclusion then would be that those prior to the gospel, or those that don't accept the gospel even now, will not be married while everyone else will.

So, just from your (meaning "mainstream" Christianity) point of view, there is no way to say for certain that those verses teach that marriage does not continue into the next life. It only shows that Jesus taught that those who are married outside of the Gospel will not remain married after this life. In fact, there is no where in the Bible that this subject is explicitly explained/taught. No where does it say that specifically that marriages can continue after this life, and no where does it say specifically that marriages cannot continue after this (with the exception of Sadducees, or those who aren't believers).

While you are correct, I really don't see a reason to differentiate marriages between the Sadducees and those of the Pharisees or ancient Jews or Christian believers. A marriage in the sight of God is a marriage.

I apologize if my "not Biblical" statement came across harsh. That was not my intent.

No worries. It's hard to get tone of voice and intention through this medium.

 

[kevkelsar]

The reason to differentiate between the Sadducees and the believers is this: Authority. Can just any person perform a civil marriage? No, that person has to have the authority to perform the marriage so that it will be recognized by a state. Can just anyone baptize people? Again, no. Only those who have the authority to perform baptisms will be recognized as true baptisms. If a person does not have the correct authority and performs such actions, then it's as if those actions never happened. And they will not be recognized until they are performed by one having the correct authority.

So, on this topic, what if this power to seal on earth that which will be sealed in Heaven given to the Apostles included sealing spouses so that they will continue in marriage after this life? If that marriage is not performed by one having the authority to do so, the eternal marriage (one that continues after death) does not happen. Hence, the phrase, "until death do you part" is part of common marriage.

The conclusion then would be that those prior to the gospel, or those that don't accept the gospel even now, will not be married while everyone else will.

Hee hee...I could go on about this but it would detract from the topic at hand. I'll just say this (and I'm sure you have heard about it): baptisms and sealings for the dead.

 

[BryanOnALaptop]

... Jesus is speaking to some Sadducees who would not have been married by the proper authority because they weren't even anywhere close to accepting/living the Gospel.

Whooooaaaaaa. So you're saying that the Sadducees, who were not close to accepting the living gospel, is going to be in heaven?!?!?!?!?! Or are you saying they will rise from the dead, and be with their wives in hell?

Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.


The Sadducees are going to be Angels (i.e. Aggelos storng # 32: one who is sent as a messenger from God.)


You did say, in this context, Jesus is speaking directly to the Sadducees only, right? Please explain.

 

[kevkelsar]

Whooooaaaaaa. So you're saying that the Sadducees, who were not close to accepting the living gospel, is going to be in heaven?!?!?!?!?! Or are you saying they will rise from the dead, and be with their wives in hell?

Mark 12:25

The Sadducees are going to be Angels (i.e. Aggelos storng # 32: one who is sent as a messenger from God.)


You did say, in this context, Jesus is speaking directly to the Sadducees only, right? Please explain.

Correct, only to the Sadducees within the context of them at that point and time (not within the Gospel and no acknowledgment of the true authority stemming from Jesus Christ). My belief and view of the afterlife is SIGNIFICANTLY different than yours since I am LDS.

I am not saying they will be with their wives in hell. In fact, I can't say where they will be/are after their mortal lives. I'm not their judge. There is also the possibility of them being angels. And again, I believe my understanding of an angel is much different than yours. Albeit, I wholeheartedly agree with the basic definition you have provided.

 

[toddm]

Kevkelsar and sounds like the OP are LDS, and LDS theology puts a lot of weight on eternal marriage (sealing). But Bryan is right, there is no marriage in heaven, and here's WHY:

Marriage (like many other things) is given to us while here on earth as a "taste" of what is to come. Marriage is ultimately a picture of Christ and his bride (the Church) - just read through Ephesians 5 and it's crystal clear. Therefore, once we are in heaven our earthly marriage picture is obsolete because there we will stand face to face w/ the Bridegroom. Our complete satisfaction will rest in the immediate presence of Jesus Christ.

I think it was Free that said it earlier - to still want your spouse in heaven is to desire them above Jesus Christ...and according to Luke 14:25-27, Jesus ain't down with that.

 

[samuel]

Whoa!! this political/social correctness, just does not wash with the Scriptures. There will be no marriages in Heaven period. It amazes me just how earthly! we have to make Heaven, to be happy with it. I seriously doubt there will be any remembrance of this time, if there were, I question just how happy you could be.

There will be many of our family, and friends who wont be there, do you suppose you would be happy with those memories ??. Besides our marriage is to the Lord Jesus Christ, how much plainer can the Bible teach it. We are bought with a price! we are no longer indebted to ourselves, or anyone else on this earth.

 

[Sound Silence]

Whoa!! this political/social correctness, just does not wash with the Scriptures. There will be no marriages in Heaven period. It amazes me just how earthly! we have to make Heaven, to be happy with it. I seriously doubt there will be any remembrance of this time, if there were, I question just how happy you could be.

There will be many of our family, and friends who wont be there, do you suppose you would be happy with those memories ??. Besides our marriage is to the Lord Jesus Christ, how much plainer can the Bible teach it. We are bought with a price! we are no longer indebted to ourselves, or anyone else on this earth.

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[jasoncran]

heaven will be something much better than this decoying world and body that we have, i wont miss the battle win the sinful nature. its my belief that the new heaven and new earth is recreation of the earth and that will all live on the earth after the millennial reign

jason

 

[Blazin Bones]

This topic seems more like a theology than an advice topic, so moving this thread to apologetics.

 

[kevkelsar]

Oh, I don't doubt that simply being in the presence of our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ is enough after this life. More than enough, and more than we could ever hope to deserve.

However, with that said, my beliefs are largely based upon a different understanding of the very nature of God. Again, a much larger discussion outside of the topic of this thread. And with those beliefs, I believe that God loves us so much and understands the great joys we can have within our family relationships and wants to provide a way for those relationships to continue. I love my Heavenly Father more than anyone or anything, but Heaven just wouldn't be Heaven without those I love there with me (Spouse, children, parents, siblings, etc.). There's a reason many of us in this life consider our homes a little piece of heaven on earth. And any of you who have wonderful marriages and children cannot deny that.

 

[toddm]

Oh, I don't doubt that simply being in the presence of our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ is enough after this life. More than enough, and more than we could ever hope to deserve.

However, with that said, my beliefs are largely based upon a different understanding of the very nature of God. Again, a much larger discussion outside of the topic of this thread. And with those beliefs, I believe that God loves us so much and understands the great joys we can have within our family relationships and wants to provide a way for those relationships to continue. I love my Heavenly Father more than anyone or anything, but Heaven just wouldn't be Heaven without those I love there with me (Spouse, children, parents, siblings, etc.). There's a reason many of us in this life consider our homes a little piece of heaven on earth. And any of you who have wonderful marriages and children cannot deny that.

No one's saying they won't be there, but once the perfect has come the imperfect will pass away. Your post suggest that we will somehow feel slighted in heaven if we're not still w/ our spouses in a marriage relationship?

 

[kevkelsar]

No one's saying they won't be there, but once the perfect has come the imperfect will pass away. Your post suggest that we will somehow feel slighted in heaven if we're not still w/ our spouses in a marriage relationship?

It sure wouldn't be quite the same. This is getting more and more difficult to explain. Not only because of the other topics on which I view things differently (i.e. baptisms and sealings for the dead, the nature of God), but others as well. This includes heaven (what is it) and salvation (how do we get to heaven).