Mary Omnipotent?

[mutzrein]

Searching for truth in Islam in order to preach the gospel is like searching for the light of a candle in a world of darkness and when you find it, trying to make it illuminate a world where there is no darkness.

 

[Solo]

There is absolutely nothing true in the Moslem religion?

AMEN there is nothing good about islam

It is sad when Christians look with such eyes upon the other religions of the world, rather than taking Paul's lead in Acts 17 in the aeropogus and looking for some thread of truth in the religions of men that they can leverage in an explanation of Jesus Christ. That is what Paul did in Acts 17. He even quoted their pagan sages, "in him we live and move and have our being". Was that not a truth in the pagan writings? Yes it was. Now I ask again, do you think there is absolutely no truth in Islam that you can use to help explain Christ to them? Open your mind just a bit.

What is sadder is when individuals do not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ as preached by Christians who know the error that other religions of the world are preaching. We should all follow Paul's lead as recorded in Acts 17.

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Acts 17:22-34

This scripture refutes the worship of anything but the Godhead (of whom Mary is not a part), and anything made of gold, silver, stone, or graven art, and man's device. These pagans that worshipped multiple gods on mars hill had names for all, and even covered their fannies by worshipping a god named the unknown god. Paul used this in by teaching them the truth of Jesus Christ, that God does not dwell in temples made by man's hands (neither does he dwell in bread made by man's hands), and HE can be found as HE is not far from every one of us. When the pagans heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked and did not believe, but others clave unto Paul and believed.

In order for unbelievers to believe, they must hear the true gospel of Jesus Christ from the death for the payment of sin, and the resurrection, the hope of all who believe. No one makes it to the Kingdom of God without believing; Not even those who are baptized as infants regardless of what the religion teaches.
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[Heidi]

I've run in to statements like the following many times.

But, only a divine being would be able to hear all the prayers being directed from every place on the globe at one time.

Well then I guess I should start bowing down to some of those servers that hang (I am a software engineer who has a considerable understanding of computers and the internet) on the internet and process billions of messages a second. There are computers capable of processing text the size of a hail mary prayer from every man, woman, and child in the world. I guess then by your reasoning they are Gods? It's not an infinite problem and so does not take an infinite God. I am simply is simply stating that "eye has not seen nor ear heard what God has ready for those who love him.".

By the way do you think you can move a mountain? Well Jesus said that we can.

Matt.21
[21] And Jesus answered them, "Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and never doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will be done.


Does that make us all powerful (omnipotent) God's who should be worshipped. No it simply means we have access to the power of God. Something those in heaven most certainly have access to.

By the way, I once heard on the radio a protestant say about apparitions "Mary is appearing throughout the world simultaneously. Therefore Catholics think she is omnipresent". (I've never heard this from a Catholic source but we'll humor it) Hmmmm. George Bush could potentially be seen on TV sets by every man woman and child on earth if they all had sets. He could be seen and heard on every single point on the planet through TV. Yet we think that the possibilities in heaven are less. "EYE HAS NOT SEEN NOR EAR HEARD WHAT GOD HAS READY FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM" FOLKS

The fact is that we can expect greater things in the next life than this and full access to the power of God. That does not make us god's. These arguements are fallacies.

God bless

And where in the bible does it tell us that Mary was given these special powers? Or don't catholics care what the bible says? :o

 

[thessalonian]

I think you need to read closely solo. We do not believe Mary is a god. Do you believe that your faith can move a mountain solo? Evidently not if you don't see it in the Bible. You deny that Mary's could. You deny that if she is in heaven her faith could move a mountain, by the power of God of course. No solo you twist. We do not say Mary is god. We say she has greater faith in the one true God and access to him in heaven. Thus eye has not seen nor ear heard what God had ready for her when she entered heaven. You limit it. I do not.

By the way, where did I say Paul was okay with them worshipping their pagan gods. That is the whole point. YOu think you have contradicted something I said with your little paragraph.

 

[thessalonian]

Heidi,

Where have you been. We missed you. I thought your post was solo's. Sorry. Did you miss the scriptural refs in my post about faith moving mountains and eye has not seen, etc. etc. The fact of the matter is that if one moves a mountain by faith it does not make them God. Yes, the things I speak are in there implicitly but you will not except them because you don't see the depth of the scriptures. You only see the surface. They are a frozen pond for you rather than a deep ocean of God's love. :angel:

 

[Heidi]

I think you need to read closely solo. We do not believe Mary is a god. Do you believe that your faith can move a mountain solo? Evidently not if you don't see it in the Bible. You deny that Mary's could. You deny that if she is in heaven her faith could move a mountain, by the power of God of course. No solo you twist. We do not say Mary is god. We say she has greater faith in the one true God and access to him in heaven. Thus eye has not seen nor ear heard what God had ready for her when she entered heaven. You limit it. I do not.

By the way, where did I say Paul was okay with them worshipping their pagan gods. That is the whole point. YOu think you have contradicted something I said with your little paragraph.

And how do you knw her faith could move a mountain? From all biblical accounts she thought Jesus was out of his mind and had no clue why he was at the temple when he was a young boy. So you're making up your own gospel again, Thess. :wink:

 

[thessalonian]

Mary had no faith? Heidi, common. Are you adding to scripture again. Who stood by him at the cross when all but 1 of his disciples abandoned him? I am sure you miss the little part in Acts that tells us she was amongst the apostles when they prayed before pentecost.

Acts.1
[14] All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

These prayers moved a mountain heidi. We are still reaping the benefits 2000 years later.

 

[francisdesales]

I think you need to read closely solo. We do not believe Mary is a god. Do you believe that your faith can move a mountain solo? Evidently not if you don't see it in the Bible. You deny that Mary's could. You deny that if she is in heaven her faith could move a mountain, by the power of God of course. No solo you twist. We do not say Mary is god. We say she has greater faith in the one true God and access to him in heaven. Thus eye has not seen nor ear heard what God had ready for her when she entered heaven. You limit it. I do not.

By the way, where did I say Paul was okay with them worshipping their pagan gods. That is the whole point. YOu think you have contradicted something I said with your little paragraph.

And how do you knw her faith could move a mountain? From all biblical accounts she thought Jesus was out of his mind and had no clue why he was at the temple when he was a young boy. So you're making up your own gospel again, Thess. :wink:

you are confusing "complete knowledge of God's plan" with "faith".

Regards

 

[Heidi]

Mary had no faith? Heidi, common. Are you adding to scripture again. Who stood by him at the cross when all but 1 of his disciples abandoned him? I am sure you miss the little part in Acts that tells us she was amongst the apostles when they prayed before pentecost.

Acts.1
[14] All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

These prayers moved a mountain heidi. We are still reaping the benefits 2000 years later.

She was his mother, Thess. Of course she would stand at the cross. I know atheists mothers who are with their children when they die. :roll: Sorry, but the catholic version of Mary has nothing to do with the bible.

And how do you know that Mary hears your prayers? Just a guess? How do you know she passes along exactly what you say to God? :o Does she always do what you command her to do? :o So when God answers your prayers with a "no", then how do you know that Mary wasn't responsible for that? Praying to Mary is no different than writing letters to dead people! It's like talking to a brick wall. You're praying to a figment of your imagination, just like Mohammed was talking to a figment of his imagination when he was talking to allah. :wink:

 

[Solo]

I think you need to read closely solo. We do not believe Mary is a god. Do you believe that your faith can move a mountain solo? Evidently not if you don't see it in the Bible. You deny that Mary's could. You deny that if she is in heaven her faith could move a mountain, by the power of God of course. No solo you twist. We do not say Mary is god. We say she has greater faith in the one true God and access to him in heaven. Thus eye has not seen nor ear heard what God had ready for her when she entered heaven. You limit it. I do not.

By the way, where did I say Paul was okay with them worshipping their pagan gods. That is the whole point. YOu think you have contradicted something I said with your little paragraph.

Thess,
Are you a lost soul who has only been baptized as an infant and saved because you are a member of the Roman Catholic Church? Are you confident that the Roman Catholic teachings are truly based on the Word of God and it is this knowledge that has consoled you to think that you are on the path to the Kingdom of God.

If you are not born again(which I believe is the case in your situation), whenever you become a born again member of the body of Christ you will agonize over the years that you have spent propagating the false teachings of the pagan Roman Catholic church. If you are intentionally attacking the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ which includes the tenets of the true Christian faith in order to propagate the teachings of the final religion of the last days, then you will be so sorry one day.

Let us see what the Roman Catholic Church says and does with the Mary of the RCC.

The Catholic Church gives honor and adoration to Mary that the Scriptures do not; she is readily referred to as "holy", the [/b]"Mother of God",[/b] and has been dubbed the "Co-Redemptrix", thereby making her an object of idolatrous worship (e.g., the rosary has ten prayers to Mary for each two directed to God).

In 1923, Pope Pius XI sanctioned Pope Benedict XV's (1914-1922) pronouncement that Mary suffered with Christ, and that with Him, she redeemed the human race.

And Pope Pius XII officially designated Mary the "Queen of Heaven" and "Queen of the World".

Catholics claim not only that Mary was perfectly sinless from conception, even as Jesus was (doctrine of Immaculate Conception, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in 1854), but that the reason she never sinned at any time during her life was because she was unable to sin (cf. Lk. 1:46,47; Rom. 3:10,23; 5:12; Heb. 4:15; 1 Jn. 1:8,10).

Catholics also believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin (cf. Ps. 69:8; Matt. 1:24,25; 13:54-56; Mk. 6:3; Jn. 7:5), and that she was assumed, body and soul, into heaven (doctrine of Assumption of Mary, declared ex cathedra by Pope Pius XII in November of 1950 -- that Mary was raised from the dead on the third day after her death, and anyone who refuses to believe this has committed a mortal sin).

The consequence of all this veneration of Mary, in effect, establishes her authority above Christ's -- Rome says, "He came to us through Mary and we must go to Him through her." All this is so obviously idolatrous, one wonders why Catholics take offense when their religious affections are called cultic.

 

[Heidi]

Yeah that was John Paul, who I liked as a person.

John Paul was actually a true Christian. I don't believe many popes have been Christians including the latest one.

Sorry, but anyone who gives credit to Mary for his healing instead of to God alone is as deluded as they come. Mary didn't heal anyone in the bible, nor is there any evidence that she even had the powers to heal! I also don't trust anyone who kissed the Koran whish is a book of the devil which Mohammed even admitted when he first had his vision. His vision was so tormenting that he wanted to kill himself until his wife told his it was God. (as if she could know what he ecperienced) :roll:

In addition, the pope was treated much better by the word than our Lord was which contradicts Christ's teachings that "If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own. As it is, I have chosen you out of the world and that is why the world hates you." "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." Well the world didn't hate or persecute Pope John Paul! He was revered by the world! James 4:4, "A friend of the world is an enemy of God." "He who wants to be first will be last and the last will be first."

But the world can easily be deceived by who is good and who isn't. The question then becomes; for whose glory do people do their "good" deeds? For God's or their own? Well sorry, Pope John Paul admitted that he wasn't doing for either one but for Mary's glory. "By their fruits you will reocoginze them." ;-)

 

[thessalonian]

JP II wasn't hated? He sure was by the feminists, gays, liberals, abortionists, homosexuals, nazi's, comunists, and you. :-? :o

 

[Bruchko]

I'm not at all part of the RCC or believe I should pray to Mary, but if Pope JP was loved by all the world he wouldn't of had to drive around in the Popemobile.

 

[thessalonian]

Yes, that bulletproof glass was love glass wasn't it. :-?

 

[Heidi]

JP II wasn't hated? He sure was by the feminists, gays, liberals, abortionists, homosexuals, nazi's, comunists, and you. :-? :o

Sorry, but all you ahve to do is look at the funeral give to the pope and the "funeral" given to Jesus to see whom the world liked and whom they didn't. ;-)

 

[golfjack]

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I have a favorable opinion of Pope John Paul because he came to everybody with love, but I doubt if he knew much of what the Bible says.

Having said this, There were many bad Popes, and maybe the worst one was Jerome because he hated Jews so much that the Cathoilic Church killed millions of Jews. They use to be called Jesus killers, and if one did not accept Catholism, they killed them. This Church persecuted Jews all the way up to the year 1960. Also, many of the followers of Luther killed Jews.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[Heidi]

I'm not at all part of the RCC or believe I should pray to Mary, but if Pope JP was loved by all the world he wouldn't of had to drive around in the Popemobile.

No matter how popular anyone is in the world, he will always have enemies. It's just a question of how many. So again, all you ahve to do is look at the funeral the pope had and compare it to the "funeral" Jesus had. :o

 

[thessalonian]

Re: reply

I have a favorable opinion of Pope John Paul because he came to everybody with love, but I doubt if he knew much of what the Bible says.

Having said this, There were many bad Popes, and maybe the worst one was Jerome because he hated Jews so much that the Cathoilic Church killed millions of Jews. They use to be called Jesus killers, and if one did not accept Catholism, they killed them. This Church persecuted Jews all the way up to the year 1960. Also, many of the followers of Luther killed Jews.

: Jerome was not a pope. He wasn't even a bishop. If he was then find him in this list:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

No, I am sorry but the Church did not kill millions of Jews. Please defend your accusations. They are no better than your comment about Jerome.
If he hated the Jews so badly why did he go to them for their help on the scriptures?

"At a time when there were conscious efforts to distance the Church from its Jewish background, Jerome not only went to the Hebrew Bible, but also sought help with difficult texts from Jews. In particular, Jerome acknowledged his debt to his Jewish teachers for helping him with the Book of Job whose Hebrew is difficult. "

http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/whois.html

Do come back with some solid defenses for your accusations.

God bless you golfjack

 

[thessalonian]

again, all you ahve to do is look at the funeral the pope had and compare it to the "funeral" Jesus had.

So I guess Billy graham will be condemned by you as well. That's not gonna be a small funeral. :o

 

[thessalonian]

Re: reply

I have a favorable opinion of Pope John Paul because he came to everybody with love, but I doubt if he knew much of what the Bible says.

You must be kidding. Have you read anything he wrote. He was a prolific writer and his writings referred to and quoted scripture all over the place. He knew scripture backward and forward. I guarantee you, far better than anyone who posts on this board. You simply don't know what you are talking about if you don't think he knew much of what the Bible says. :-?

Go to this page and open up any one of his encyclicals and see if he knows scripture.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_ ... /index.htm