Materialistic Christians

[gingercat]

As one who is born of the Spirit, I have to be sensitive to whatever the Spirit says to me. However, I don't respond to the written code, rather to the prompting of the Spirit within. Since I am in the vine then the fruit of my life reflects the vine. I don't bring forth fruit by striving. I do it by abiding in the vine and doing by nature the things that Christ (the vine) allows.


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Free and Muts, I repeat the same comments I gave to Imagican above.

 

[Solo]

The fact that you have a computer and internet connection show once again that you do not practice what you preach gingercat.

This is another one of your fovorite excuses. I use every tools to do His will. I am living in already established materialistic world. I cannot live by myself without anything. All I can do is lower my standard. Jesus wants us to discern. I will not let this kind of attack faze me, free. Just by lowering your standard of living, you will be surprized how He makes you powerful. Just try it, free.

I thought for sure you would sell all that you have, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow Jesus.

Why haven't you done this yet?

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21

 

[gingercat]

The fact that you have a computer and internet connection show once again that you do not practice what you preach gingercat.

This is another one of your fovorite excuses. I use every tools to do His will. I am living in already established materialistic world. I cannot live by myself without anything. All I can do is lower my standard. Jesus wants us to discern. I will not let this kind of attack faze me, free. Just by lowering your standard of living, you will be surprized how He makes you powerful. Just try it, free.

I thought for sure you would sell all that you have, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow Jesus.

Why haven't you done this yet?

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21

solo,

I am just amazed how you can come up with the excuses and justifications.

I have been making over all assesment and observation. Obviousely you are not intersted in following all of His teachings. Jesus is greately concerned of poor and needy.

As long as we have so many poor and needy, wealthy coutries like us should do our best to help them. Living in a luxurious life styles are not our best. Jesus loves everyone, expecially who are risking their lives to reach out to the lost souls. Those persecuted brethren are not only from our country. there are many many native brethren fighting against satan and risking their lives to reach the lost souls.

Please be compassionte for the lost and needy instead of making excuses.

Do I have to repeat how God is helping my family to help the needy greately? Are you ignoring the obviouse evidence how God is helping us to be powerful?

If you think I am lying I dont mind to answere all of your question about my private life for the Lord. I have nothing to hide. :angel:

Paul had to expose all of his work for the Lord to confront fellow brethren. He was accused of being many things, remember?

 

[Solo]

gingercat,
Don't you want to be perfect, and have treasure stored up for you in heaven. If so, go and sell all that you have and give to the poor, and then follow Jesus.

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21

Why would you withhold from the poor when you could give the money that you waste on monthly internet fees to them for food, and sell your belongings that you don't need giving the proceeds to the poor.
How can you follow Jesus if you fail to do this?

 

[gingercat]

gingercat,
Don't you want to be perfect, and have treasure stored up for you in heaven. If so, go and sell all that you have and give to the poor, and then follow Jesus.

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21

Why would you withhold from the poor when you could give the money that you waste on monthly internet fees to them for food, and sell your belongings that you don't need giving the proceeds to the poor.
How can you follow Jesus if you fail to do this?

solo: I repeat the same comments since you are repeating the same.


I am just amazed how you can come up with the excuses and justifications.

I have been making over all assesment and observation. Obviousely you are not intersted in following all of His teachings. Jesus is greately concerned of poor and needy.

As long as we have so many poor and needy, wealthy coutries like us should do our best to help them. Living in a luxurious life styles are not our best. Jesus loves everyone, expecially who are risking their lives to reach out to the lost souls. Those persecuted brethren are not only from our country. there are many many native brethren fighting against satan and risking their lives to reach the lost souls.

Please be compassionte for the lost and needy instead of making excuses.

Do I have to repeat how God is helping my family to help the needy greately? Are you ignoring the obviouse evidence how God is helping us to be powerful?

If you think I am lying I dont mind to answere all of your question about my private life for the Lord. I have nothing to hide.

Paul had to expose all of his work for the Lord to confront fellow brethren. He was accused of being many things, remember?


and please stop making excuses.

 

[gingercat]

I have learned that the most denominations are just interested in expanding their teritory and not necessariry truthful and faithful for the Lord's mission.

I was supporting SDA's evangelism for a while because they were powerful in reaching out to the lost souls and they are also cooperating with the local brethren.

The most of the denomination will not cooperate with anyone else but their own. It is so sad.

The only thing I cannot compromize with the SDA is that I am pacifist becasue I believe Jesus is pacifist.

VOM (the Voice of the Martyers) is supporting brethren who are abondend by their own denominations too.

 

[Solo]

The Voice of the Martyrs is an interdenominational organization working with Christians around the world who are being persecuted for their faith in Christ. We have over 30 offices around the world with staff members from many different denominations, all working with the common goal of helping the suffering church.

The Voice of the Martyrs' statement of faith is identical to my denomination.

Statement of Faith:

We believe the Bible to be the inspired, authoritative Word of God Who is eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His personal return in power and glory.

We believe that for salvation of lost and sinful men, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential.

We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost. We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in Christ.

http://www.persecution.com/

 

[gingercat]

The Voice of the Martyrs is an interdenominational organization working with Christians around the world who are being persecuted for their faith in Christ. We have over 30 offices around the world with staff members from many different denominations, all working with the common goal of helping the suffering church.

The Voice of the Martyrs' statement of faith is identical to my denomination.

Statement of Faith:

We believe the Bible to be the inspired, authoritative Word of God Who is eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His personal return in power and glory.

We believe that for salvation of lost and sinful men, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential.

We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost. We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in Christ.

http://www.persecution.com/

Thank you solo,


That's what I am supporting. They can use many more support. How many % of your church budget goes to this organization?

 

[Solo]

The Voice of the Martyrs is an interdenominational organization working with Christians around the world who are being persecuted for their faith in Christ. We have over 30 offices around the world with staff members from many different denominations, all working with the common goal of helping the suffering church.

The Voice of the Martyrs' statement of faith is identical to my denomination.

Statement of Faith:

We believe the Bible to be the inspired, authoritative Word of God Who is eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His personal return in power and glory.

We believe that for salvation of lost and sinful men, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential.

We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost. We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in Christ.

http://www.persecution.com/

Thank you solo,


That's what I am supporting. They can use many more support. How many % of your church budget goes to this organization?

I can not tell you how much individual church members give to this organizaation. I have been a VOM member for a couple of years now. I belong to a Southern Baptist Church. Each Southern Baptist Church gives to the missions, as well as independent needs across the world. As a autonomous body of believers, we are building orphanages in Brasil, giving to the needy of this community, and other mission works. The main objective of Southern Baptist Churches is to provide the needs, both physical and spiritual. In my 22 years of being a Christian, I have not found a better denomination to attend for my family and I.

 

[Imagican]

Solo,

Having studied all the major,, (and some minor), denominations, I came to the conclusion that the Baptist doctrine was as close to the Bible as it gets.

I then began looking for a church to attend and found that there was a whole lot of difference between the written doctrine and that followed by the Baptist Churches that I attended. I found that there is very little difference between the Baptist Churches and many many other denominations. It's like they have all decided to bend at the knees to the desires of the congregation instead of standing up to what they say that they believe in.

It's like in the past few years, (twenty or so), they have begun doing studies or something. Trying to figure out what is working and what's not as far as keeping and recruiting new members. I am well aware of the need for money in the churches, but what I'm even more aware of is the need to offer sound Spiritual doctrine. It's like everything is heading towards a 'universal' type church. One of acceptance rather than wholesome teaching.

Rock n Roll songs, performances instead of group praise, more emphasis on telling cute stories than either reading from or teaching from the Bible. It has become like Sunday school for Christians. Continually feeding milk and offering NO MEAT. Are all other Christians out there really only babies in Christ? I think not. But the indication is that's where the churches would like to 'keep' the congregation in general. Why?

I look back at the scolding Paul offered those in Corinth and find that they were Saints by comparison to our modern churches. Is this really what we were told to do to follow Christ? Are these buildings that we call churches really 'the Church'?

 

[gingercat]

You have hundreds or thousands of denominations. I know that some denominations are better than others. From my obsevation and information, SDA is the most honest and goodness in over all. They are not concentrating to get the popularity. The are concentrating on to be faithful and truthful for Lord. They are minority compared to others but regardless, they are showing powerful fruit, not to mention godly members in over all. I haven't seen many disgraceful SDAs.

Fruit won't lie everyone.

I urge you to look into their evnagelism.

sincerely

 

[Imagican]

And I see ginger, that you don't want to answer Solo's question with anything other than accusation that others are using excuses and justification.

So far, that's as close as you have come with an answer. Wouldn't your time and money be better spent helping all these needly to which you refer than sitting on the computer complaining about it?

I mean twenty dollars a month would buy a lot of rice for starving kids. Not counting what the cost of a computer would buy. And I'm quite sure that there are soup kitchens in your area that you could be offering your assistance to. Always room for another cook or server. Or the fact that there are many out there that need ministry. I'm sure that you won't even try to offer that the Spirit is the guiding force behind your being here belittling EVERYONE that doesn't live like a pauper.

And you still never offered any response to my previous posts except to accuse me of excuses and justification. Let me ask you personally this time: If there were NONE out there that had what you consider wealth, who would there be to offer ANYTHING to the poor?

I think that both Bill Gates and Ted Turner have donated billions of dollars to different charities. If these two men were not rich, where would that money have come from? And I suppose that you know the hearts of these well enough to judge them. Or maybe you judge them simply because they have wealth?

 

[Imagican]

You have hundreds or thousands of denominations. I know that some denominations are better than others. From my obsevation and information, SDA is the most honest and goodness in over all. They are not concentrating to get the popularity. The are concentrating on to be faithful and truthful for Lord. They are minority compared to others but regardless, they are showing powerful fruit, not to mention godly members in over all. I haven't seen many disgraceful SDAs.

Fruit won't lie everyone.

I urge you to look into their evnagelism.

sincerely

Already have. Isn't this the religion that based it's doctrine on the dreams of a delusional woman? If my memory serves me correctly, I think this is the one that insists that the Sabbath is Saturday and that they must uphold and honor it as commanded of the Jews by Moses. Is this the one?

Those that I have withnessed from this faith insist that no work is to be done on the Sabbath, but won't hessitate to allow someone else to dishonor the Sabbath by working for them, (they always went out to eat after service). And only pick and choose which of the Sabbath laws that they will uphold, the others they simply ignore, (read about the Sabbath laws and you will understand to which I refer, walking distances to temple etc..........). I think under the Jewish laws of Sabbath that driving itself would be considered work, wouldn't it?

And that part about the woman that was delerious with fever, wasn't she one of or the founder of this religion? Is that possible? A woman leading the church? I guess if one chose to ignore the words in the Bible concerning these matters. But then, if we pick and choose, we can pretty much create any kind of religion we desire.

 

[Free]

The fact that you have a computer and internet connection show once again that you do not practice what you preach gingercat.

This is another one of your fovorite excuses. I use every tools to do His will. I am living in already established materialistic world. I cannot live by myself without anything. All I can do is lower my standard. Jesus wants us to discern. I will not let this kind of attack faze me, free. Just by lowering your standard of living, you will be surprized how He makes you powerful. Just try it, free.

How are you able to help people in the "third world" with your computer and internet connection? How much do you spend a month on a connection? How much did you pay for your computer or how much could you sell it for?

In your initial post you stated "Most of us don't realize how rich we are. According to Jesus, most of us can't enter the kingdom of God." Incorrect interpretation aside, is it safe to assume that you would be one of the few that would be able to enter the kingdom of God? You probably think so because you think you are relatively poor compared to those around you.

You remind me of Ananias and Sapphira - you claim to have done all you can and chastize others for not doing so, but you have still held back some for yourself. If you are going to argue that most of us won't go to heaven because we are relativley rich when compared to many in the world, at least practice what you preach.

 

[gingercat]

How are you able to help people in the "third world" with your computer and internet connection? How much do you spend a month on a connection? How much did you pay for your computer or how much could you sell it for?


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Free, because many of my opposers ask the same questions over and over I have been showing my work for the Lord and many of you are acccusing me of self-rightousness. Would you make up your mind and be consistant in fairness as His followers are supposed to be?

BTW, I can show it again if you want me to show my fruit of faith.

PS, it tends becomes ugly when I start focusing on the fruit of most people's Christianity. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[gingercat]

You have hundreds or thousands of denominations. I know that some denominations are better than others. From my obsevation and information, SDA is the most honest and goodness in over all. They are not concentrating to get the popularity. The are concentrating on to be faithful and truthful for Lord. They are minority compared to others but regardless, they are showing powerful fruit, not to mention godly members in over all. I haven't seen many disgraceful SDAs.

Fruit won't lie everyone.

I urge you to look into their evnagelism.

sincerely

Already have. Isn't this the religion that based it's doctrine on the dreams of a delusional woman? If my memory serves me correctly, I think this is the one that insists that the Sabbath is Saturday and that they must uphold and honor it as commanded of the Jews by Moses. Is this the one?

Those that I have withnessed from this faith insist that no work is to be done on the Sabbath, but won't hessitate to allow someone else to dishonor the Sabbath by working for them, (they always went out to eat after service). And only pick and choose which of the Sabbath laws that they will uphold, the others they simply ignore, (read about the Sabbath laws and you will understand to which I refer, walking distances to temple etc..........). I think under the Jewish laws of Sabbath that driving itself would be considered work, wouldn't it?

And that part about the woman that was delerious with fever, wasn't she one of or the founder of this religion? Is that possible? A woman leading the church? I guess if one chose to ignore the words in the Bible concerning these matters. But then, if we pick and choose, we can pretty much create any kind of religion we desire.

Imagican,

Like most churchgoers, you are doing the same thing to ignore to check their fruit of faith. They have been powerful reaching out to the lost souls: This is our misssin for the Lord if we are Christian. Because they are trying to be faithful following Jesus' teachings they are not popular. Why do you nitpick against those who are showing obvious evidence of their faith?

 

[Imagican]

No, ginger, it gets ugly when you want to be the center of attention and refuse to reply to question presented to you.

This question is completely legitimate yet you avoid an aswer to it. Why?

You seem to want to play the same game as Ellen: Do what I say, not as I do. Do not question me, for mine is but to teach from the direct intervention of the Spirit. Scary stuff if you ask me.

Back to the self-righteousness thing. Do you know what that means?

Justification, do you know what that means?

Excuses, do you know what that means?

 

[gingercat]

No, ginger, it gets ugly when you want to be the center of attention and refuse to reply to question presented to you.

This question is completely legitimate yet you avoid an aswer to it. Why?

You seem to want to play the same game as Ellen: Do what I say, not as I do. Do not question me, for mine is but to teach from the direct intervention of the Spirit. Scary stuff if you ask me.

Back to the self-righteousness thing. Do you know what that means?

Justification, do you know what that means?

Excuses, do you know what that means?

Why don't you explain all of them: it seems that you want to show off how intelligent you are.

I am talking about the fruit of Christianity. You can argue and fight and debate the Bible interpretation all day long and show off how much you know, and thats what you want to do because it focuses away from who you really are.

The Bible tells us to watch out for false prophets. The only way to find out is to look for the fruit. The SDA has honest goodness fruit for the Lord. That's how they got my attention.

 

[Imagican]

Did you ever do any study of their formation? I am confused how false doctrine can lead to 'true' fruit. You know that there will be many that step to Christ in the end boasting of all the wonderful things which they have done in His name. You also know what His answer will be to them.

And I have even witnessed Beni Hindi over in Africa feeding the children so that he can add the video to his Television ministry. I also witnessed the reason that Beni left Orlando and moved to Texas. One of the upper leaders in his ministry and his children's tutor both died of heroin overdoses only months apart. I wonder which fruit mattered the most?

Satan has disguised himself as an angel of light but offers only darkness. He will offer many many lying wonders in order to deceive even the very elect. In order to be able to discern, we must not be swayed in the ways of man, but by the ways of the Spirit. That which may seem to matter to us, often times is totally contradictory to the Spirit.

So, now my intellect will be what denies my gift? If i make efforts to study the Word and understand, then I am doomed for trying.

Ginger, yer a funny girl, and you still ignore the question that a number of us have asked. I guess you are not happy with your own answer.


Justification: a defensive plea; an excuse; act of justifying.

excuse; a ground or reason for excuse; act of excusing; to serve as an apology or justification.

self-righteous; righteous in one's own esteem.

If the words in the definitions are too complicated I will gladly break it down a bit further. Just let me know.

As for the SDA, I don't know what the mods or Admins think of pointing out the 'truth' concerning different denominations. In my opinion, any denomination that encourages or promotes it's beliefs should be fair game. But, for the sake of peace and harmony I will simply add that anyone that so chooses to know the history and present standing of this denomination will find information readily available. Just google SDA, or formation of SDA or Ellen White.

I have had my own experience with this denomination so much of what I offer I offer as FACT, not second hand.

 

[gingercat]

Imagican,

Here you go again, focusing away from the fruit. :roll: