Matt. 24

[Elijah674]

Matt. 24.. Past, present or future?

Some teach that prophecy is fullfilled & is mostly over with, as a whole. We are now they say, in the New Saved life? And that Matt. 24 is.. has been stuff! ???

1 Peter 1

[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
(Wow!! and some cannot find this message even starting in Gen. 3:15's 'Lamb Sacrifice', or the pre/flood preacher of Rightousness Noah, accompioned by the Holy Spirit STRIVING with their Conscience! Gen. 6:3 Not much different today, huh? even Cain's just flat out refuseal to Obey with [his] alternate 'fruite' obedience!)

[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
(And we hear that this is all Jewish & Moses law stufft , that even the angels desired to study!! No wonder we see an Rev. 17:5 bunch who just love the old Arm of Flesh Jer. 17:5 teachings opposite the required diet of Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16?)

And Amos?? Chap. 1 ..

[7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

(And these were Jews in Gen. 3:15 & the pre/flood of the Rev. 14:6? And the Everlasting Gospel was revealed by faithful Noah for over an 120 year period even, so that they could have been saved 'IF'.. but they all knew best, huh? But that ain't us'ins??? )

Rom. 15

[4] For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(But, naw!! it was written for just that person & that time period satans desiree's rattle on!)

1 Cor. 10:11
[9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.(Ensamples upon the whom the ends of the world are come is not hard to understand, LOOK at some posters 'junkfood!' And then they talk out of both sides of their mouth. And the Tower of Balel'ing ones??? NO two hardly agree even then with some of their VAIN postings! Titus 3:9-11)

Matt. 24 is Mostly dual Prophecy! (at least) Even note, Matt. 10:5-7 & ibid 14-15 + verse 17-23.

[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the [lost sheep] of the house of Israel.
(Lost sheep in that HOUSE!?)

[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. ...
(And it was, their PROBATION as a Virgin Fold CLOSED during these 7 Times! Compare Matt. 25:10 & Matt. 23:38)
[15] Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. ... (And if you cannot figure that one out?? Re/read Luke 12:47-48 for who it is that will burn in hell the longest!)

[17] But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
[21] And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man [be come.]'
(From verse 17 above to verse 23.. is [also] documented future prophesy for you today! 70 AD will look like minor in comparison. Read Eze. 9! This is an ENDTIME PROPHECY, for Christ was already there at the time speaking!! 'THE SON OF MAN BE COME'!

And Eccl. 1 (who believes God???)

[9] The thing that [hath been, it is that which shall be;] and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.(and again.... who believes God?? Nothing New! About like the pre/flood ones & Matt. 7's BROADWAY Flock of Matt. 6:24)

And Eccl. 3 God says what again???
( God documents this Truth TWICE at least, and in His Closing out of Rev. some say that those WARNING verses are just for that book!! )

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, (sayeth) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
(then come these desirees of Gen. 4:7 'fruit' sacrifice!)

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and [God requireth that which is past.]
(Matt. 24 is most ALL past & future Truth to come! The GODHEAD has 'Documented' that this IS SO!! Given their WORD! And below?? We even 'see' that They DOCUMENT THESE TWICE DOCUMENTED TRUTH ALSO!!!)

Gen. 41
[32] And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
--Elijah

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Good post
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man [be come.]'

But im going with both present and future.
Though alot of things written that shall take place in Israel during this time and the future may be taking place,we may not hear of alot of them because the press doesnt release much negative publicity out of Israel.So if the saints are being persecuted there now or in the future,we may never hear about it.We would probably hear in the news when the abomination of desolation is placed but we probably would never hear there were saints falling by the sword ,or flame,or captivity during that time.Israel is not going to come out and say we are sending christians to prison nor would they say the orthadox jews are killing saints because they are not patriots or because of the saints testimony.
All in all I believe most people around the world either will not hear of many of the atrocities written in the gosple or will simply not believe them if they were to read about them in the news.They would see such journalism as anti semitic .

 

[Robin]

I'm going to go with PAST and future. Cetrainly not all of Jesus' Olivet prophecy were fulfilled in 70 A.D., but the events in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. are amazing and compelling! A summary of Rome's war against Jerusalem can be found in an ordinary encyclopedia, but the accounts of eyewitness historians are absolutely mind boggling. To get the benefit of both sides, one should read the accounts of both sides, so to avoid the inevitable twisting of history written by the victor. Fortunately we have accounts from both sides: Josephus, a Jewish priest and eyewitness, wrote a compelling account of those days; and the Roman eyewitness Tacitus wrote an account from the Roman perspective. Both are absolutely fascinating, and both accounts read like apocalyptic visions.

Historically, orthodox Christianity has taught that the events of 70 A.D. represent a "judgement coming of Christ" upon the generation that rejected Him. It is not to be seen as the Second Coming, but rather as the final aspect of His first advent (coming). In this judgement upon that single generation (see Matt 23:36 and 24:34), He used Roman troops to put a permanent end to the entire Old Testament system that prefigured His finished work on the Cross. The "last days" means the last days OF THAT COVENANT.

In the Olivet prophecy of Matthew 23 and 24, the Lord Jesus describes this judgement in details which we are more accustomed to associating with the end of the world! When we read about the stars falling from the sky, the sun going dark, and the moon turning to blood, we tend to think of planetary catastrophe, worldwide nuclear annihilation, or something like that. When we read, "the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky" we tend to associate that with the Second Coming and the end of the world. When we read about a great trumpet blast and the gathering of the Elect from the four winds we think of "the Rapture." When Jesus used those terms in Matthew 24, He was quoting Old Testament scriptures which referred to the conquest of Israel and Judah (in Isa 13) by the Assyrians and Babylonians. Such language is also used by Ezekiel in describing the conquest of Egypt by Babylon (32:7). It also describes the events of 70 AD, and further describes the Second Advent as well.

The Jewish historian Josephus, who witnessed the destruction of Jerusalem and the years following it, wrote describing the celestial signs leading up to Jerusalem's conquest and the destruction of the Temple:

"Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God Himself; while they did not attend, nor give credit, to the signs that were so evident and did so plainly foretell their future desolation; but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also, before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus [Nisan], and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright daytime; which light lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it." 1

R.C. Sproul, in his book, The Last Days According to Jesus, writes:

"Josephus says these astronomical phenomena triggered false prophecies of hope for Jerusalem and it's people. ... The bright light shining round the temple area may be related to the Shekina glory, the sign of God's presence. False prophets read it in much the same way that false prophets in Old Testament times viewed the coming day of the Lord - as a time of unqualified weal, a day of brightness and glory. This missed the dreadful darkness that would accompany it as a sign of judgement.â€Â2

Other signs in the sky were reported by other historians recording events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem. The Roman historian Tacitus writes:

"Besides the manifold misfortunes that befell mankind, there were prodigies in the sky and on the earth, warnings given by thunderbolts, and prophecies of the future, both joyful and gloomy, uncertain and clear. For never was it more fully proved by awful disasters of the Roman people or by indubitable signs that the gods care not for our safety, but for our punishment."3

In addition to his account of the comet, the prophecies, the sword-like star, etc., Josephus records an even more astonishing celestial event that seems to be a quite literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 1 :22-28 (not quoted here, but read it and be amazed!). Here's Josephus again:

"Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artimisius [Jyar], a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."4

I believe personally that "the end of the age" as often used in scripture to refer to "the last days," means the end of the JEWISH age - or the end of the old (Mosaic) covenant, and that the Lord's presence did indeed depart from the temple before it was decimated. There is absolutely no doubt as to the celestial signs that took place and accelerated in the years immediately preceding the destruction of Jerusalem. Some Roman military officers wrote accounts of soldiers deserting (a death penalty offense) for fear at the signs in the earth and sky during those turbulent days that saw the rise and fall of 6 emperors (and a pretended Nero who allegedly recovered from an assassination).

Because the Jewish age ended in 70 AD, because the Olivet discourse of Matthew 23 and 24 was so literally fulfilled, and because the Apostle Paul ascribed "a sign to unbelievers" as the meaning of tongues, and because the prophecies of the period, according to Josephus, Tacitus, and others, foretold great destruction and judgement upon Israel (including the end of temple sacrifices by the way), that is why I believe the signs ceased when the things they signified came to pass.

Christian Orthodoxy has always taught - up until Dispensational Premillennialism took hold a little more than 100 years ago - that we are in "the Millennium" right now! The "millennial" Kingdom began after the way was prepared by John the Baptist, when Christ arrived. This kingdom is not of this world, though it exists in the world. It is forever, it is expanding and liberating millions, and will reign completely at the close of this "millennium" when Christ returns to destroy the last enemy. Satan is bound! Is Christ not even now ascended to His throne at the right hand of God the Father (Colossians 3:1)? Are we not even now seated in heavenly places with Him (Ephesians 2:6)? Has He not already given His church authority to bind and loose in His name (Matthew 16:17-19)? Jesus demonstrated His authority over Satan by casting out demons, having "bound the strong man" during His earthly ministry. Satan is bound in this present millennial kingdom. I hope this helps answer some of your questions, Cynthia, but if not, I heartily recommend R.C. Sproul's book The Last days According to Jesus, and Last Days Madness (although I disagree with some of the conclusions he reaches in that book).




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Notes:

1. Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, in The Works of Flavius
Josephus, trans. William Whiston, 4 vols. (reprint, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1974)
2. R.C. Sproul, The Last Days According to Jesus, Baker, 1998
3. Tacitus, The Histories, trans. Clifford H. Moore, 2 vols., Cambridge: Harvard University, 1931, 1:5-7
4. Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, 1:454 (6.5.3)

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[Elijah674]

Matt. 24.. Past, present or future?

Some teach that prophecy is fullfilled & is mostly over with, as a whole. We are now they say, in the New Saved life? And that Matt. 24 is.. has been stuff! ???

1 Peter 1

[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
(Wow!! and some cannot find this message even starting in Gen. 3:15's 'Lamb Sacrifice', or the pre/flood preacher of Rightousness Noah, accompioned by the Holy Spirit STRIVING with their Conscience! Gen. 6:3 Not much different today, huh? even Cain's just flat out refuseal to Obey with [his] alternate 'fruite' obedience!)

[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
(And we hear that this is all Jewish & Moses law stufft , that even the angels desired to study!! No wonder we see an Rev. 17:5 bunch who just love the old Arm of Flesh Jer. 17:5 teachings opposite the required diet of Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16?)

And Amos?? Chap. 1 ..

[7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

(And these were Jews in Gen. 3:15 & the pre/flood of the Rev. 14:6? And the Everlasting Gospel was revealed by faithful Noah for over an 120 year period even, so that they could have been saved 'IF'.. but they all knew best, huh? But that ain't us'ins??? )

Rom. 15

[4] For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(But, naw!! it was written for just that person & that time period satans desiree's rattle on!)

1 Cor. 10:11
[9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.(Ensamples upon the whom the ends of the world are come is not hard to understand, LOOK at some posters 'junkfood!' And then they talk out of both sides of their mouth. And the Tower of Balel'ing ones??? NO two hardly agree even then with some of their VAIN postings! Titus 3:9-11)

Matt. 24 is Mostly dual Prophecy! (at least) Even note, Matt. 10:5-7 & ibid 14-15 + verse 17-23.

[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the [lost sheep] of the house of Israel.
(Lost sheep in that HOUSE!?)

[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. ...
(And it was, their PROBATION as a Virgin Fold CLOSED during these 7 Times! Compare Matt. 25:10 & Matt. 23:38)
[15] Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. ... (And if you cannot figure that one out?? Re/read Luke 12:47-48 for who it is that will burn in hell the longest!)

[17] But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
[21] And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man [be come.]'
(From verse 17 above to verse 23.. is [also] documented future prophesy for you today! 70 AD will look like minor in comparison. Read Eze. 9! This is an ENDTIME PROPHECY, for Christ was already there at the time speaking!! 'THE SON OF MAN BE COME'!

And Eccl. 1 (who believes God???)

[9] The thing that [hath been, it is that which shall be;] and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.(and again.... who believes God?? Nothing New! About like the pre/flood ones & Matt. 7's BROADWAY Flock of Matt. 6:24)

And Eccl. 3 God says what again???
( God documents this Truth TWICE at least, and in His Closing out of Rev. some say that those WARNING verses are just for that book!! )

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, (sayeth) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
(then come these desirees of Gen. 4:7 'fruit' sacrifice!)

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and [God requireth that which is past.]
(Matt. 24 is most ALL past & future Truth to come! The GODHEAD has 'Documented' that this IS SO!! Given their WORD! And below?? We even 'see' that They DOCUMENT THESE TWICE DOCUMENTED TRUTH ALSO!!!)

Gen. 41
[32] And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
--Elijah

Hi, Elijah here.
I was hoping to keep this in Bible Studies. These End Time Threads have much to much wisdom?? :crazy (old timers at least Jer. 17:5) in them. Perhaps this 'site' is an opposite of others?? But whatever??

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Robin"
"Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God Himself; while they did not attend, nor give credit, to the signs that were so evident and did so plainly foretell their future desolation; but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also, before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus [Nisan], and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright daytime; which light lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it." 1

Josephus would be one to speak about not having eyes that see or a mind to consider.
Josephus was not a christian nor did he believe Jesus is the Christ.Since he claims to have known so much ,then why did his wife and parents die in Jerusalem?Bad enough this man mislead his own people ,he also betrayed them as well.He himself claims to have talked his own brethren into killing each other before giving himself up to the Romans.The Romans in turn reward the man for betraying his own and made him a roman citizen.I wouldnt put to much faith in the man's interpretations of scripture for the prophecies are for the church.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: Matt. 24 + some of Matt. 25

This chapter 24 of Matt. has a repeat history. God's WORD says so. The Eccl. verses. (Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15)

If the new church did not understand this, how would they had acted when the Holy Spirit DOCUMENTED Matthew 24:14 as again taking place? See Romans 10:18 & Col. 1:23.

Paul & Crew (Christian Believers) would have been preaching false doctrines as to the Lord's Second coming. And a large, if not a huge portion would have left the new church. (as did happen to Adventist in 1844) Or does one not BELIEVE God that there is NOTHING NEW under the sun?

Matt. 24 is progressive in repeated history. Even men's heart failing them for fear.
But the part most of today's Christians (even) miss, is Christ & Paul both being INSPIRED to state that this second time around "IT WILL BE CUT SHORT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS". What does that mean? We see in documented hindsight from 27-34 AD seven years (Daniel's 'midst of the week') up until Saul (Paul) was converted & was the one to take the Everlasting Gospel to the Gentile. Just hold unto Matt. 25's Midnight Cry for Israel [as a Fold] to accept Christ, and think of the Loud Cry of Israels Eze. 9 Slaughter! OK: Matt. 24 IS PROGRESSIVE in several questions asked Christ by His disciples.

The True Fold of Christ's OWN had ALREADY REJECTED HIM! Matthew 23:38. This was the ABOMINATION THAT MADE DESOLATE, this ex/true/fold!! And it was aprox. 36 years until the ARMIES took Jerusalem. The four Gospels as most call them, give different TRUTH in this setting of Abomination of the True Fold & it destruction. First came The MIDNIGHT CRY of the JUDGEMENT HOUR to the VIRGIN CHURCH. (see 1 Peter 4:17) and the slaughter of Ezekiel 9:1-6 is the Loud Cry of the professed of Israel of old. (the counterpart of the Revelation 17:1-5 ones & 666) There are two GOING OUT'S NOTEDin Matthew 25:1-6. These are COMBINED times of warning here, yet in Dan. it brings the two as at nearly the same time period.

Remember that Israel were going ALL OVER THE WORLD making converts at Christ's day here. (Note Matthew 23:15) God LOVED these still ignorant ones & He gave them (not the rejected already judged fold) 36 more years for maturity to see if they would accept the Everlasting Gospel message from the short lived life of the 12 (except John) and the same exact Everlasting Gospel one of Paul. Althou the door of probation was Shut for the apostate 'fold' as a denomination, there were still these few who would join the New Church. (see Matt. 25:10)

And the above Matt. 24 is mis-understood in Daniel 9:25-27 by most, because of the two time periods being different by being 'cut short in RIGHTEOUSNESS' in the SECOND time around Truth, as Christ documented. (even take note of Rev. 18:4's counter/part in repeated history!)

Then: There are those also who do not understand who Israel now were in Christ's day! They do not know what a CLOSED DOOR meant. Or an DESOLATE FOLD. They might re/read Revelation 3:9 or Revelation 17:1-5. Even Isaiah 5:3 is prophesied for the rejection of Christ by His own true Virgin FOLD! And the FOLD? It stayed put to do satans work, what was Saul doing in Acts 9:1.

If one would just toss all preconceived stuff, and just use Matthew 4:4, 2 Timothy 3:16 along with 1 Corinthians 14:32, then BELIEVE the WORD OF CHRIST in Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15's DOUBLE TWICE STATED TRUTH, then they could understand Matthew 24!

It is kind of 'interesting' with what most of the today ones might do with Peter's three time vision from the Lord? Most already know what the vision meant even at the first vision, huh? I have heard preachers +, tell us that this meant that God gave sanction for us to eat any & every thing that 'moved'! (in bottom/line)

Anyhow: We see Matt. 24 about a done deal AGAIN for the last time! No more 36 years. The only thing of great importance still missing, is Christ's documentation of the Matthew 10:23 explanation of the finished product of the Matthew 25 Virgin parable to His disciples. (take note that Christ was already there at that first coming) This ENDING can all be understood as again now taking place from Matthew 10:5-38.

--Elijah

 

[Ret]

Matt. 24.. Past, present or future?
Some teach that prophecy is fullfilled & is mostly over with, as a whole.

History repeates again and again, the major difference being the form changes while the lessons and the principal stays the same. So tie Matthew 24 into Romans 11:8-10

Rom 11:8-10
8 Just as it is written:
"God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day."

9 And David says:
" Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always." NKJV

 

[Elijah674]

Matt. 24.. Past, present or future?
Some teach that prophecy is fullfilled & is mostly over with, as a whole.

History repeates again and again, the major difference being the form changes while the lessons and the principal stays the same. So tie Matthew 24 into Romans 11:8-10

Rom 11:8-10
8 Just as it is written:
"God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day."

9 And David says:
" Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
____________

Hi, the verse comes from Psalms 69 for others who did not recall?

Anyhow, the 'table; surely represents the place where we are thought to be 'fed spiritually! So their fold [or church Acts Acts 7:38 ) did indeed become a trap. (Matt. 23:15) But the rest of the verses from 20-28 apply to Christ Himself & ibid 28?? ' Let them be [BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF THE LIVING, AND NOT BE WRITTEN WITH THE RIGHTOUS.]

--Elijah
____________

10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always." NKJV[/color]