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So, what do you think about this verse by Paul, Hopeful 2? Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
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How can you say that John the Baptist "had no sin to repent of or to wash away"? Just because the Holy Spirit controls us doesn't mean we don't get impatient and frustrated. John resisted the idea that he should baptize Jesus and doubted that Jesus was the Messiah later when he was in prison and sent people to ask Jesus about his ministry.
Just because the Bible doesn't say anything about his sins doesn't mean that he didn't have any. That would be arguing from Scripture's silence, about which we know nothing.
That is what we were just discussing.
So I asked, What sin had John the Baptist committed ?
What sin has a baby that passes away committed ?
Or a mentally challenged person ?
I find Paul's verse 12 comment a generality, instead of an iron-clad law.
Rom 5:14 implies that not all do sin..."Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,"
The Holy Spirit will not remain in a polluted temple.
Had John sinned, he would not have God's Spirit in him.
If an accusation of sin is made without proof, isn't that an argument from silence too ?
Why are people so against the idea that anyone loves God enough to actually obey Him all the time ?
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Not Eve.
Adam. Iniquity is perpetuated by the male; the seed.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— Romans 5:12
- just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin,
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I never said that John the Baptist sinned.
The Holy Spirit through Paul stated this —
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— Romans 5:12
- just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all people [no one being able to stop it or escape its power], because they all sinned.
Romans 5:12 AMP
If you want to argue with scripture then have at it.
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Please show the scripture that says a person with the Holy Spirit in them is sinless for life.
Every human being has sinned.
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:23
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But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7
The blood of Jesus cleanses those who walk in the light from sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8
Those who claim to be sinless are liars.
Lying is sin.
I don't believe there is such a scripture.
Man must work everyday to keep that Spirit that is only given to the repentant and washed.
We have no NT life stories.
Can you provide a scripture where anyone with the Spirit of God in them committed a sin ?
Jesus didn't sin, and He is our example of not following after the '"flesh".
Jesus didn't sin, and those "in Him", don't sin either.
Of course.
They must be cleansed, before they can even walk in God...in Whom is no sin.
That certainly applies to the sinners.
They can neither say they have no sin or that they have fellowship with God. (1 John 1:6)
They also cannot say they know God. (1 John 2:3)
Sinners commit sin.
Sin is darkness. (Pro 4:19)
Those reborn of God's seed don't commit sin, as they walk in the light...which is God, in Whom is no sin.
Non-sinners walk in the light.
Yes it is.
Liars are not walking in God.
"God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)
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The scripture says all sinned.
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:23
I believe the scripture.
The scripture says … If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
I believe the scripture.
The scripture says… If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I believe the scripture.
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“And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,
‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. Revelation 2:18-22
- because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8
Those who claim to be sinless, having no sin are liars, who must repent.
Perhaps appropriate until Jesus came along.
With the exception of Enoch, and Elijah, Samuel, and John the Baptist.
But what of those others, who Paul says didn't sin ?
It is written..."Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,..." (Rom 5:14)
Do you believe Rom 6:6-7 ?
It is written...“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
And how about Col. 1:28 ?
It is written..."Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" (Col 1:28)
That scripture only applies to those walking in darkness, which Pro 4:19 says is "the way of the wicked".
It does not apply to those who walk in the light, which 1 John 1:5 says is God.
There is no sin in God.
You believe we can not be without sin, then quote a scripture claiming all our sin can be cleansed away.
You believe opposing POVs.
Where is it shown that those who did accept the false teacher had the Spirit of God ?
BTW, when "a church" is addressed with correction, it doesn't necessarily accuse all the members thereof.
If those people were actually "His servants" they would not ever serve a different master.
Oh, and as it is written..."I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.", it doesn't command all the members to repent.
Just the traitors.