Matthew 22:41 What think ye of Christ? Whose Son is he?

[Lyric's Dad]

[. Before I was born again, I did not believe that Jesus was God, I believed that he was the Son of God. That was while I attended the Trinity Lutheran church, baptized, confirmed, a member, and lost on my way to hell. As soon as I was born again, I came to personnally know Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior. Jesus is God.

Man, talk about a sad view of God. Just because you didn't have it all right (according to how you view it) your god was going to burn you forever. How truly sad.

Jesus is God. Those that do not profess that Jesus is God are antiChrist according to the scriptures.

Poppycock! Faith in Jesus Christ as Savior is what seals one His. Not having the right view of the "trinity" which is definately not in the Bible. Notice below in your quote that it says that those that confess Jesus is come in the flesh are of God, and those that deny it are the ones that are professing outside God. Not that Jesus IS God. Stop adding to the Bible to fit your views.

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

 

[Solo]

[. Before I was born again, I did not believe that Jesus was God, I believed that he was the Son of God. That was while I attended the Trinity Lutheran church, baptized, confirmed, a member, and lost on my way to hell. As soon as I was born again, I came to personnally know Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior. Jesus is God.

Man, talk about a sad view of God. Just because you didn't have it all right (according to how you view it) your god was going to burn you forever. How truly sad.

Jesus is God. Those that do not profess that Jesus is God are antiChrist according to the scriptures.

Poppycock! Faith in Jesus Christ as Savior is what seals one His. Not having the right view of the "trinity" which is definately not in the Bible. Notice below in your quote that it says that those that confess Jesus is come in the flesh are of God, and those that deny it are the ones that are professing outside God. Not that Jesus IS God. Stop adding to the Bible to fit your views.
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1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

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If you would like to expound upon the topic with scriptual backing, that is what these forums are all about.
Thanks.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

[. Before I was born again, I did not believe that Jesus was God, I believed that he was the Son of God. That was while I attended the Trinity Lutheran church, baptized, confirmed, a member, and lost on my way to hell. As soon as I was born again, I came to personnally know Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior. Jesus is God.

Man, talk about a sad view of God. Just because you didn't have it all right (according to how you view it) your god was going to burn you forever. How truly sad.

Jesus is God. Those that do not profess that Jesus is God are antiChrist according to the scriptures.

Poppycock! Faith in Jesus Christ as Savior is what seals one His. Not having the right view of the "trinity" which is definately not in the Bible. Notice below in your quote that it says that those that confess Jesus is come in the flesh are of God, and those that deny it are the ones that are professing outside God. Not that Jesus IS God. Stop adding to the Bible to fit your views.
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1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

If you would like to expound upon the topic with scriptual backing, that is what these forums are all about.
Thanks.[/quote:b1676]
I did use scripture. I used the scripture you posted and showed you that you were adding to it.

 

[hybrid]

To: Mutzrein; hybrid; Imagican; or ANYBODY:

Let us just cut the chase and go directly to the issue...

Again, here’s a very simple question for the opposing party -- who don't believe that Jesus is YHWH himself, the Son of God -- in order to have a foundational basis of discussion and for the record.

Who do you think the Lord (Heb.#3068) of Host being referred to as "THY MAKER is thine husband" in Isaiah 54:5 - based on your own religious doctrinal belief?

"For THY MAKER is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth SHALL he be called."

Multiple Choice:

(a) YHWH - God Father

(b) Jesus - Son

(c) I do not know


Please list your answer here - Everybody is welcome


God Bless

my answer is D: both a and b.

coz' what about the scriptures that said:

The LORD (YHWH)says to my Lord (Adonai):
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."
Ps 110:1 niv

david was cleary reffering to YHWH as God the father while to the messiah as adonai.

the father is YHWH
the son is YHWH

YHWH is the name of GOD that meant etenal (I AM)

since both are eternal, both can use the name YHWH.


.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear hybrid,

So, just like wavy, you also don't know where to stand nor where to affirm you belief, correct? And if we follow your logic, then we have two husbands (plural) - the Father and the Son - being spoken in Isaiah 54:5, did I get you right?

Or do you now agree with me that Jesus is YHWH himself, the Son of the invisible God Father - whose name is NOT yet known to anyone, at this time? :smt041

It is a very simple SURVEY question based on your religious view not mine. I don't know why you all seems to have a hard time giving a direct answer to the multiple choice questionare.

Here is the question again and is not meant to prove anything yet, therefore, do not be defensive at this time. :-D Unless of course you don't know where to affirm your doctrinal faith.

To: Mutzrein; hybrid; Imagican; or ANYBODY:

Let us just cut the chase and go directly to the issue...

Again, here’s a very simple question for the opposing party -- who don't believe that Jesus is YHWH himself, the Son of God -- in order to have a foundational basis of discussion and for the record.

Who do you think the Lord (Heb.#3068) of Host being referred to as "THY MAKER is thine husband" in Isaiah 54:5 - based on your own religious doctrinal belief?

"For THY MAKER is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth SHALL he be called."

Multiple Choice:

(a) YHWH - God Father

(b) Jesus - Son

(c) I do not know


Please list your answer here - Everybody is welcome


God Bless

 

[mutzrein]

Do I believe in the trinity? Yes - inasmuch as there is a union of three entities functioning together.
I am a trinity – Body Soul & Spirit. The three function together to form me.
My family is a trinity – mother, father, son. We exist together as one unit.
One example of a trinity in scripture is in 1John. "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."

But of course the issue at hand is that the word trinity has been coined and used by man to describe what He cannot yet comprehend. And that is, the almighty God, our heavenly father who no-one has seen (except the one who came from God), His only begotten son (who has made Him known to us – because He was sent from God to atone for sinful man), and the Holy Spirit (being the Spirit of Life sent from the Father as a deposit guaranteeing us what is to come).

There are many teachings in Christendom that claim that Jesus is God, yet Jesus himself never made any reference to such a premise.
Rather, Jesus said, “I came from the Father and entered the world, now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father. If you love me you would be glad that I am going to the Father for the Father is greater than I.†Jesus prays, “and now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.â€Â

What can we say then concerning this issue? We say that Jesus and God are one, and on the other hand we say that Jesus is not God.

John the Baptist testifies, “No-one has seen God but the only Son of God who is at the Father’s side has made him known.â€Â

And to stamp the seal of all seals on this issue, Jesus said, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. The words I say to you are not just my own, rather it is the Father living in me, who is doing his work.â€Â

Jesus is the one and only true Son of God, conceived of God’s Spirit, born of a virgin, inheriting the righteousness of God with all the attributes of perfection, attributed to the Father, and without sin or blemish.

To Jesus alone has the title been credited: ‘The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.’

Regards

 

[hybrid]

What can we say then concerning this issue? We say that Jesus and God are one, and on the other hand we say that Jesus is not God.

the nicene fathers correctly renderred this dilemna by the phrase they used to describe the nature of the son of god...

"true god from true god."
"god of very god"
"true light from true light"

.

 

[hybrid]

Dear hybrid,

So, just like wavy, you also don't know where to stand nor where to affirm you belief, correct? And if we follow your logic, then we have two husbands (plural) - the Father and the Son - being spoken in Isaiah 54:5, did I get you right?

that's your logic. i don't believe that there are three persons all cramped up into one being YHWH.

the simple explantion was god and the jesus both used or shared the name yhwh intechangeably.

same when they shared the name "saviour."
same when they shared the the name "alpha and omega."

Or do you now agree with me that Jesus is YHWH himself, the Son of the invisible God Father - whose name is NOT yet known to anyone, at this time?

i have explained to you that the father is also YHWH, but you ignored the scripture. let me post it again..

YHWH (God the Father) says unto my Lord (Messaiah)
sit at my right hand until i make your enemy your footstool.

in the verse you cited, it was YHWH of host refer to Jesus.
but in this verse the name YHWH was referred to God himself.

so i say they both used the name.


.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

Obviously, our oppositions are trying hard to dodge the issue that has been presented to them repeatedly and failed to answer our simple clarificatory question directly - based on their own religious view. Perhaps, they understand the weaknesses of their doctrinal faith and assumption which is flawed.

Incidentally, most of them don’t even recognize Jesus in the Old Testament. His Name is YHWH (Heb-Adonai YHWH), first listed in Gen 2:4. He is called LORD God by the King James translators. He is the God of the Jews, and the ONLY God ever formed, Physically. If you have seen Him, then you have seen the Father.

The fact is, our Lord God, the Son, was the one who MADE man from the palms of his hand in Genesis 2:7 that’s why he is referred to by the Scripture as the “thy MAKER is thine HUSBAND†in Isaiah 54:5.

ISAIAH 54:5 For thy MAKER is THINE HUSBAND; the LORD (YHWH) of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Let us now find out now who is our MAKER and THINE HUSBAND from the Scripture, since, our oppositions could not affirm with confidence their belief. :roll:

REVELATION 21

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her HUSBAND.

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the BRIDE, the Lamb's (Jesus’) wife.

Therefore, there’ no question in my mind that our Lord YHWH is Jesus Christ himself who became flesh, the Son of the invisible God - of whom no man hath seen at anytime - whose name also no man knew even to this date.


God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

my answer is D: both a and b.

coz' what about the scriptures that said:

The LORD (YHWH)says to my Lord (Adonai):
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."
Ps 110:1 niv

david was cleary reffering to YHWH as God the father while to the messiah as adonai.

the father is YHWH
the son is YHWH

YHWH is the name of GOD that meant etenal (I AM)

since both are eternal, both can use the name YHWH.

Dear hybrid:

For your information - Please note that Psalms 110:1 is NOT a direct conversation or quote between the Lord (Invisible God Father) and David’s Lord (YHWH), the Messiah - but a story telling of David’s prophetic vision in parable format, that would take place AFTER the RESURRECTION of our Lord Jesus Christ.

“ The LORD said unto my Lord, sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstoolâ€Â

Had it been the case it was a direct quote or conversation from the actual source, you would have noticed the following disclaimer of the writer from his own words...

a) "and the Lord said"....
b) "thus saith the Lord"....

The fact is, David prophetic vision is still taking place to this date AFTER the resurrection of the Lord -- who is sitting at the right hand of his Father.

Ironically, it also destroys the Oneness and Trinity doctrine religious assumption of one (numeric) God. Now, you have two (numeric) God, literally speaking, as proven by David' prophetic vision - the Father and Son sitting on their throne, side-by-side.

Here’s the proof….

Hebrews 1
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

v10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

v9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Since, we all know that David's Lord (YHWH) in the OT, was MADE flesh and sent into this world and became known the Christ, the question asked by Jesus remains, whose Son was the Messiah (YHWH) that was MADE flesh and SENT into this world, thru David's offspring?

And your answer please……


God Bless

Matthew 22:46
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

 

[wavy]

You are not making too much sense, 2Pillars, and are arrogantly blowing off the majority of what people have said simply because it is not the answer you want to hear so you could "trap" (best term I could think of) them into admitting that you alone have the right answer. That's why you keep repeating your multiple choice question, obviously.

Anyway,

Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: יהוה hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

This is obviously the Spirit of Messiah speaking through David about an eternal truth that the Father YHWH stated to him.

But what you are saying is that "YHWH (the Son) has said to me (?), you are my Son, (??) this day I (???) have begotten you (????)."

You mean the Mashiach Yahshua has a Son who is begotten of him?

Hebrews 1:5 affirms that this is the Father speaking to the Son Yahshua...

 

[2Pillars]

Dear wavy,

Your opinion is just based on your own religious view or understanding which I believe to be seriously flawed.

I even show you that our Lord YHWH, thy MAKER and thine HUSBAND ref. Isaiah 54:5 is no other than the Son, the Lamb of God, ref. Revelation 21:2;9. Yet, acccording to your religious faith, you insist that YHWH is the Father, in spite of many Scriptures and direct contradictions that I have cited you.

Tell, how many husband and redeemer do you see in Isaiah 54:5, again? :-D

Again, the way I see it, you like perverting the Scripture in order to suit your religious view! How could you do that?

Now, about the contnuing discussion, you don't even understand the implication of David' prophetic vision. So much so, feeding me with your distorted made up assumption.

I suggest that you stop projecting your own weaknesses on me. Either debate the topic or run but don't feed me with your distorted made up premises.

Here's what I am saying, let me see if you can refute it....

There was no direct conversation between the Father and the Son in Pslams 110:1. IT WAS MORE LIKE A PROPHETIC DREAM !!! When do you think David' prophetic vision took place in ref. to Psalms 110:1?

The assumption that YWHW is the Invisible Father is wrong. YHWH, is the Son of God, who became known as Jesus Christ in the NT. No man knows the name of the invisible Almighty God Father at this time, until one overcometh at the end - only then, the name of his Father will be revealed as promised.


Read again for your understanding...

Revelation 3
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 19
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, THAT NO MAN KNEW, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Ephesians 3

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

Conclusion: Jesus is YHWH himself, the Son of the invisible God Father - whose name is not documented in the Scripture.


God Bless

 

[wavy]

I even show you that our Lord YHWH, thy MAKER and thine HUSBAND ref. Isaiah 54:5 is no other than the Son, the Lamb of God, ref. Revelation 21:2;9. Yet, acccording to your religious faith, you insist that YHWH is the Father, in spite of many Scriptures and direct contradictions that I have cited you.

2Pillars, you have not cited anything that proves what you say here to be true.

All you did was quote a few scriptures. I commented on them. You proceeded to say I didn't know what I believe, actually ignoring the content of what I posted.

You asked further questions. I answered them directly. You asked who the "YHWH" is from Isaiah 54:5. More than myself has said "both Father and Son".

Yet again, you blew us off by saying "you don't know what you believe", which is silly.

Tell, how many husband and redeemer do you see in Isaiah 54:5, again? :-D

Please go back and read what I said.

There was no direct conversation between the Father and the Son in Pslams 110:1. IT WAS MORE LIKE A PROPHETIC DREAM !!! When do you think David' prophetic vision took place in ref. to Psalms 110:1?

"What does Yahweh look like?"

That is the type of question you are asking here. And it still does not negate the fact that Paul said the Father said this to the Son, whether or not he, in some space of time, said it directly and verbally.

David still calls him YHWH and he says YHWH said "you are my son" to some one that was not himself. The principle, despite the absence of proof of the actual event in some time/space continuim, is still established either way.

There is nothing to refute. Scripture says something clear and yet we must go through loops and mental gymnastics to interpret it just so 2Pillars can be right!

The assumption that YWHW is the Invisible Father is wrong.

Sadly, you have not proven this.

No man knows the name of the invisible Almighty God Father at this time, until one overcometh at the end - only then, the name of his Father will be revealed as promised.

Yahshua did not say he would "reveal" it to anyone (except, of course, to those who presently don't know it if of course, they seek and wish to know what it is). That is what I pointed out in my first repsponse to one of your post. You ignored that.

There is no promise of a revelation of the Father's name. This could, btw, only be true (even if it is, which the text does not say, however) for those who don't know it or acknowledge it. There are billions under this category.

Revelation 3
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 19
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, THAT NO MAN KNEW, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Ephesians 3

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

Conclusion: Jesus is YHWH himself, the Son of the invisible God Father - whose name is not documented in the Scripture.

The only good case you can make with this is that we don't know the Son's name! Nothing here says anything about the Father except his name being written in/on us and that the family of heaven and earth (believers) are named after him.

Nothing in these scriptures say we do not know the Father's name or that it is not documented and that it must be revealed to us in the future as a promise. These scriptures indicate just the opposite!

I don't know where you get this from...

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers:

“NO MAN hath seen the invisible God at any time except the begotten Son - who’sa at the bosom of the FATHER hath declared him. John 1:18

The Son is the express image of the invisible God who is a Spirit and never change. The physical image Invisible God is only manifested thru his Son, YHWH, better known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

In Exodus 6:2-3 Our Lord Jehovah (YHWH) made this following pronouncement of his appearance during the time of old...

“…I AM THE LORD (YHWH) and I appeared unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty (Father): BUT by my name Jehovah (YHWH) I was NOT known to them.â€Â

As you see, YHWH was representing the name of his God, yet, by his own name YHWH he was not known to them.

In fact YHWH (the Son), thou Lord in the beginning (Heb. 1:10;9), even sat down with Abraham and also was wrestled by Jacob to get his blessing, mind you, right?

If NO man hath seen God at ANYTIME, then YHWH could NOT have been the INVISIBLE God Father - who is a Spirit . The Invisible God never change, according to the Scripture!!!

Here's another one...

In Isaiah 43:10 Jehovah (YHWH) also made the following proclamation and confirmed and declared that he was the only God FORMED, before him there was none.

“…. Before me there was NO God formed, NEITHER there shall be after me.â€Â

Notice how the text was constructed on a combination of two negative phrase, making it a positive statement! He is the only God physically FORMED.

The brightness of the Son's glory (physical trait) was the Light that was brought forth in the beginning (ALPHA) Genesis 1:3 as he will also be to one to provide the Light in New Jerusalem to come (OMEGA). Revelation 21:23

Therefore, YHWH could not have been the invisible God Father but the Son of the invisible God Almighty- whose name is also not yet known to this date..


God bless

 

[hybrid]

hi 4pillars,

the phrase "the word of the LORD (YHWH)" was so prominently used in OT that later jewish writers substituted it with the word MEMRA, you aware of diz?

MEMRA was the greek counterpart of the word LOGOS that john used in his gospel for jesus.

then if JEsus was the LOGOS of GOD, he was also the MEMRA reffered by the hebrews.

so it also means that in the OT, JEsus ought to be the "word" of YHWH",

if Jesus then was the word of YHWH, who was YHWH?

and what was the relevance if ps 101:1 was prophetic?
the theme below was oft repeated in OT..

YHWH and his word
YHWH and his Spirit
YHWH and his anointed one
YHWH and his suffering servant
YHWH and his begotten son

wavy pointed out this same flaw in your understanding of scriptures but you seemed to be grossly ignoring it.

perhaps monologue was your idea of a sensible discussion?

.

 

[mutzrein]

What can we say then concerning this issue? We say that Jesus and God are one, and on the other hand we say that Jesus is not God.

the nicene fathers correctly renderred this dilemna by the phrase they used to describe the nature of the son of god...

"true god from true god."
"god of very god"
"true light from true light"

.

Fair enough. Personally, I don't have any dilemma with it but I can understand the catholic dilemma because it stands on a different premise to me.

 

[hybrid]

Dear Readers:

In Exodus 6:2-3 Our Lord Jehovah (YHWH) made this following pronouncement of his appearance during the time of old...

“…I AM THE LORD (YHWH) and I appeared unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty (Father): BUT by my name Jehovah (YHWH) I was NOT known to them.â€Â

dear readers, 4 pillars did not quote this passage in its entirity, so let me completely cite the same verse, here goes...

Ex 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

verse 2 was very revealing, GOD spake to moses , i am YHWH!!!

YHWH was God

[quote:e5ba2]3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.KJV

As you see, YHWH was representing the name of his God, yet, by his own name YHWH he was not known to them.

[/quote:e5ba2]

as to this post, i hope this contribution will enlighten you..

THEOPHANY

[the AHF ih knee]-any direct, visual manifestation of the presence of God. The key word is visual, since God makes His presence and power known throughout the Bible in a variety of ways. But even in a theophany a person does not actually see God Himself. This is an impossibility, according to Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16; and 1 John 4:12. What a person sees are the effects of God's unmediated presence.

Theophanies proper are limited to the Old Testament. They are most common in the books of Genesis and Exodus; but they also occur in the writings of the prophets, especially in connection with the calling of a prophet. The most frequent visible manifestation of God's presence in the Old Testament is the "Angel of the Lord." Other theophanies are the burning bush (Ex 3:1-6), the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire (Ex 13:21-22), the cloud and fire of Sinai (Ex 24:16-18), and the cloud of the glory of the Lord (Ex 40:34-38)
(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

 

[2Pillars]

hi 4pillars,

the phrase "the word of the LORD (YHWH)" was so prominently used in OT that later jewish writers substituted it with the word MEMRA, you aware of diz?

MEMRA was the greek counterpart of the word LOGOS that john used in his gospel for jesus.

then if JEsus was the LOGOS of GOD, he was also the MEMRA reffered by the hebrews.

so it also means that in the OT, JEsus ought to be the "word" of YHWH",

if Jesus then was the word of YHWH, who was YHWH?

and what was the relevance if ps 101:1 was prophetic?
the theme below was oft repeated in OT..

YHWH and his word
YHWH and his Spirit
YHWH and his anointed one
YHWH and his suffering servant
YHWH and his begotten son

wavy pointed out this same flaw in your understanding of scriptures but you seemed to be grossly ignoring it.

perhaps monologue was your idea of a sensible discussion?

.

Dear hybrid,

Just like wavy, both of you CANNOT use the Scripture to support your view because it is only based on your own religious assumptions which is not supported by the Scripture.

The record will show that none of you here was able to affirm nor articulate your stand with Scripture. Both of you could only interject your own ASSUMPTION, perverting the Scripture.

Where do you see anywhere in the Scripture that records about "YHWH and his begotten son"???

See, as I have said before, both of you are notorious for adding to what the scripture actually says and perverting it just to support your distorted assumption.

Now, about the John 1:1, you don't even know how the Logo's came about in the beginning, do you? Do you want me to reconcile the texts for you?

IF not, then please, by all means, show us by using only the Scripture to ptove your case and sustain your objection to my post. I am all ears.


Thanks

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers:

In Exodus 6:2-3 Our Lord Jehovah (YHWH) made this following pronouncement of his appearance during the time of old...

“…I AM THE LORD (YHWH) and I appeared unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty (Father): BUT by my name Jehovah (YHWH) I was NOT known to them.â€Â

dear readers, 4 pillars did not quote this passage in its entirity, so let me completely cite the same verse, here goes...

Ex 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

verse 2 was very revealing, GOD spake to moses , i am YHWH!!!

YHWH was God

[quote:f00f7]3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.KJV

As you see, YHWH was representing the name of his God, yet, by his own name YHWH he was not known to them.

as to this post, i hope this contribution will enlighten you..

THEOPHANY

[the AHF ih knee]-any direct, visual manifestation of the presence of God. The key word is visual, since God makes His presence and power known throughout the Bible in a variety of ways. But even in a theophany a person does not actually see God Himself. This is an impossibility, according to Ex 33:20; 1 Tim 6:16; and 1 John 4:12. What a person sees are the effects of God's unmediated presence.

Theophanies proper are limited to the Old Testament. They are most common in the books of Genesis and Exodus; but they also occur in the writings of the prophets, especially in connection with the calling of a prophet. The most frequent visible manifestation of God's presence in the Old Testament is the "Angel of the Lord." Other theophanies are the burning bush (Ex 3:1-6), the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire (Ex 13:21-22), the cloud and fire of Sinai (Ex 24:16-18), and the cloud of the glory of the Lord (Ex 40:34-38)
(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

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Dear hybrid,

That's is exactly the point, you see. :-D The invisible God Father -- who is a Spirit and never change -- is manifested only thru his Son' (YHWH) physical nature!!!

GENESIS 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Who was the SPEAKER in Exodus 6:2-3 the Lord (#3068) who APPEARED in person unto Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Is it YHWH? If so, why is it that you don't believe his word? Is it better for you to pervert his pronouncement to your likings?

Also, please stop providing me with your private interpretation and doctrinal assumption, next time. Either you support your view with Scripture or forget just it.

Now, do you have any Scripture to sustain your objection to my post?

Thanks

 

[2Pillars]

Sorry, double post = EDITED