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Maybe Animals Really Do Have Souls?

a white horse ,its a type of horse meaning a war horse .

just my opinion .

God can't have a literal body like we do,also Jesus was a man not a seven ,headed ,seven eyed sheep in revelation
 
wondering said:
Oh yeah.
Well, I had polenta with wild boar about a month ago.
Yummy.
And don't think I wouldn't love to see all the cats I've had since I was a
tiny little girl .... it would be wonderful to see Spunky and Pallina again...
but I'm not holding my breath.

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no cats ,not even a Ralph .lol
 
JLB said:
There are animals in heaven.

We will return on white horses.



JLB
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Just curious; where does it say that we will return on white horses?
Greetings! :)
 
wondering said:
No scripture necessary Ed.
No faith...no salvation.
No salvation...no heaven.

If MAN is separated from God unless he knows Christ....
just imagine HOW an animal can know Christ???
He cannot.

You can go back to the O.T. for some verse....but

1. Revelation is progressive. In the O.T. there is no mention of hell as we know it after Jesus,,,some did not even believe in the after-life. (the Sadducees included).

2. There's a lot of poetry in the O.T. I doubt persons, even back then, believed a tree could worship God.

3. Animals don't worship God...only those aware of His presence worship Him. Some mentally handicapped PERSONS can't worship God - let alone an animal.

Corinthians 15:39
39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.

Also,

1 Corinthians 15:50
50Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom...then Paul goes on to speak about MAN.
Also, Jesus died for men....through the first man we are lost,,,through the last Man, we are saved. Nowhere is there any talk about animals.
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God loves not only man, but his creation!
That includes all living things.

“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 AMP
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“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal
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Link1983 said:
Just curious; where does it say that we will return on white horses?
Greetings! :)
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Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16



JLB
 
JLB said:
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16



JLB
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My spirit, soul and body praise and worship.
I want to force myself!!!
Heavy!
Thanks!
I remember Him on the white horse, but not us following.
Amazing! I am and want to be in awe!
 
I accidently found an interesting verse while I was reading through a little bit of the Gospel of Thomas today. I'm not debating the veracity of Thomas, just that, I was reading it and it had a verse which I thought cool and it made me think of this thread, lol!
Take it as you will, lol.

Thomas
7. Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human.".../(The Gospel of Thomas)

:lol :wink
 
Haven't read the whole discussion here, but I remembered an old song about Heaven and it has a line about a dog so I thought I'd post here.

Nothing shatters, nothing breaks
Nothing hurts and nothing aches
We've got ourselves one helluva place
In my heaven
Looking down at the world below
A bunch of whining, fighting schmo's
Up here we've got none of those
In my heaven
There's pools and lakes and hills and mountains
Music, art, and lighted fountains
Who needs bucks here, no one's counting
In my heaven
No one works, we all just play
You can pick the weather everyday
If you change your mind, that's okay
In my heaven
Grandma's up here, Grandpa too
In a condo with to-die-for views
There's presidents and movie stars
You just come as you are
No one's lost and no one's missing
No more parting just hugs and kissing
And all these stars are just for wishing
In my heaven
There's little white lights everywhere
Your childhood dog in dad's old chair
And more memories than my heart can hold
When Eva's singing 'Fields of Gold'
There's neighbors, thieves and long lost lovers
Villains, poets, kings and mothers
Up here we forgive each other
In my heaven
For every soul that's down there waiting
Holding on, still hesitating
We say a prayer of levitating
In my heaven
You can look back on your life and lot
But it can't matter what you're not
By the time you're here, we're all we've got
In my heaven
In my heaven
In my heaven
 
Link1983 said:
God loves not only man, but his creation!
That includes all living things.

“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 AMP
bible.com

John 3:16 “For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal | Amplified Bible (AMP) | Download The

“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal
bible.com
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Of course John 3:16 is correct.
Except that it states WHOEVER believes...
Whoever means a human person.
Animals cannot believe.
 
wondering said:
Of course John 3:16 is correct.
Except that it states WHOEVER believes...
Whoever means a human person.
Animals cannot believe.
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Oh but they do!
It says that the whole of creation is waiting for His return!
 
wondering said:
Of course John 3:16 is correct.
Except that it states WHOEVER believes...
Whoever means a human person.
Animals cannot believe.
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For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional fault on its part], but by the will of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will also be freed from its bondage to decay [and gain entrance] into the glorious freedom of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been moaning together as in the pains of childbirth until now.
Romans 8:19‭-‬22 AMP

Romans 8:19-22 For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional | Amplified Bible (AMP) | Download

For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional
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Link1983 said:
For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional fault on its part], but by the will of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will also be freed from its bondage to decay [and gain entrance] into the glorious freedom of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been moaning together as in the pains of childbirth until now.
Romans 8:19‭-‬22 AMP

Romans 8:19-22 For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional | Amplified Bible (AMP) | Download

For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional
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Well Link, who am I to insist? Only God knows for sure.
But you sure have made a good friend here.
You and Edward seem to be in total agreement on this.
I just hope that if there are dogs up there, they'll all be nice and
won't attack me....born again dogs ---- :chin
 
wondering said:
Well Link, who am I to insist? Only God knows for sure.
But you sure have made a good friend here.
You and Edward seem to be in total agreement on this.
I just hope that if there are dogs up there, they'll all be nice and
won't attack me....born again dogs ---- :chin
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Well God just told u the answer! God's creation is God's creation. Dogs know God, Cats know God, Even a rock knows God. It's creator.
It's common sense to me..
 
animals have no free will,no,ability to ponder why they exist,no regret over killing their young ,dogs will eat their own ,a pig the same.

the lion doesn't worry over the morality of vegan vs carnivores.he just eats.
 
wondering said:
Well Link, who am I to insist? Only God knows for sure.
But you sure have made a good friend here.
You and Edward seem to be in total agreement on this.
I just hope that if there are dogs up there, they'll all be nice and
won't attack me....born again dogs ---- :chin
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They wont attack you. Scripture says the lions will lay down with the lambs and they'll eat grass like an ox.

And I think you have misunderstood just a wee bit. I'm not asserting that animals get born again or need redemption because they don't. They are not on the level of man. It's just that, they have to live in a fallen world so life is tough for them too. Wild animals have to go scrounge for food and watch out that they don't get eaten themselves while out foraging. Even domesticated animals have it hard. They may get food put in front of them but the stupid abuses they must suffer! Even the nice folks who...order them around, SIT 500 times, make them pose or wear dumb costumes, or the kids come jump on them and drag them around, stuff like that. My giant 190 pound English Mastiff would always keep his cool. He would let the little kids hassle him for awhile but when he got tired of it, he would just stand up real slow and walk away. That dog was so patient with kids!!!
 
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