'Mind boggling' Trinity

[jaybird]

like i have been trying to explain and Free said it well

so when we read an inspired scripture that contradicts man made theology, we tell our self it really doesnt mean what it says and just move on? with due respect that sounds like cherry picking.

 

[reba]

I can not seem to make my thoughts clear... We will just continue to disagree. I will drop it for now

 

[jaybird]

That it is the same word is largely irrelevant. The same word can have several different nuances in meaning based on context. Context is king. Do you disagree with the two nuances in meaning of "tempted" that I have given?

IMO both are being used in the same context.

 

[Free]

IMO both are being used in the same context.

Do you disagree with the two nuances in meaning of "tempted" that I have given?

 

[jaybird]

Do you disagree with the two nuances in meaning of "tempted" that I have given?

i believe tempted means tempted. whether you thingk its an outer or inner temptation makes little difference as He was still tempted. the different nuances are not going to reverse the passage or change a "was" to a "was not".

 

[Free]

i believe tempted means tempted. whether you thingk its an outer or inner temptation makes little difference as He was still tempted. the different nuances are not going to reverse the passage or change a "was" to a "was not".

I am not at all saying the meaning of a passage gets reversed.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/peirazo.html

Regardless, if you want to continue to take things out of context, that is your problem.

 

[th1b.taylor]

i believe tempted means tempted. whether you thingk its an outer or inner temptation makes little difference as He was still tempted. the different nuances are not going to reverse the passage or change a "was" to a "was not".

I might get me nto trouble here because I see you are hailing yourself to be a Christian but is my long experience that the Title, Christian, is generally used to note people from once a year service attendees, all the way through men and women like myself and some others ere that are walking every day with our Risen LORD. I will note for your consumption that people that walk, moment by moment with Jesus are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and we never find conflict in the scriptures because the Hloy Spirit reconciles all the apparent conflicts the unsaved man finds.

This should be considered food for your thoughtful consideration. And may God bless your journey.

 

[jaybird]

I am not at all saying the meaning of a passage gets reversed.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/peirazo.html

Regardless, if you want to continue to take things out of context, that is your problem.

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

there is no out of context, look at the 2 passages, the context is talking about the same thing. the scripture even says He was tempted as we are, but your saying he wasnt tempted as we are.

 

[jaybird]

I might get me nto trouble here because I see you are hailing yourself to be a Christian but is my long experience that the Title, Christian, is generally used to note people from once a year service attendees, all the way through men and women like myself and some others ere that are walking every day with our Risen LORD. I will note for your consumption that people that walk, moment by moment with Jesus are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and we never find conflict in the scriptures because the Hloy Spirit reconciles all the apparent conflicts the unsaved man finds.

This should be considered food for your thoughtful consideration. And may God bless your journey.

i only see a conflict in the theology, the scriptures sync just fine.

 

[Free]

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

there is no out of context, look at the 2 passages, the context is talking about the same thing. the scripture even says He was tempted as we are, but your saying he wasnt tempted as we are.

Firstly, one context is talking about the God-man, Jesus. The second context is about God. Different contexts, different nuances in meaning. Second, there is the greater context of Scripture, the rest of the Bible. And what you seem to be trying to make these passages say contradicts much of that context. It is telling that you have not even tried to address the argument put forward in this thread.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. The Hebrews passage is dealing with men that hear the Gospel preached and take no heed of it.



there is no out of context, look at the 2 passages, the context is talking about the same thing. the scripture even says He was tempted as we are, but your saying he wasnt tempted as we are.

You seriously do not understand the meaning of context or you are unschooled in it's use. Free was to nice because the two instance are completely different.

The passage in James is dealing with the temptation that is common with a man. The Nebrewss passage is dealing with peopld that have heard the good word but have taken no heed of it. Two different subjects, two different contexts.

Having been one spiteful Atheist when I was one, I see you have delved into their teachings and techniques but you are not as good as I used to be at making Christians Crawfish away from a subject.

 

[th1b.taylor]

i only see a conflict in the theology, the scriptures sync just fine.

I have explained you error in your ways in my last post.

 

[jaybird]

You seriously do not understand the meaning of context or you are unschooled in it's use. Free was to nice because the two instance are completely different.
The passage in James is dealing with the temptation that is common with a man. The Nebrewss passage is dealing with peopld that have heard the good word but have taken no heed of it. Two different subjects, two different contexts.
Having been one spiteful Atheist when I was one, I see you have delved into their teachings and techniques but you are not as good as I used to be at making Christians Crawfish away from a subject.

sure i dont understand context, why dont we take these one at a time and you educate me.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
we have a high priest that has been tempted as we are. this is how i understand it but according to you the high priest "was not" tempted as we are?
please explain to me how this works?

You seriously do not understand the meaning of context or you are unschooled in it's use. Free was to nice because the two instance are completely different.

sounds like i hit a nerve, sorry but thats what the scriptures say, Jesus said scriptures cant be set aside.

 

[jaybird]

Firstly, one context is talking about the God-man, Jesus. The second context is about God. Different contexts, different nuances in meaning. Second, there is the greater context of Scripture, the rest of the Bible. And what you seem to be trying to make these passages say contradicts much of that context. It is telling that you have not even tried to address the argument put forward in this thread.

where is the term "God-man" in scripture? just curious.
i am not making the scriptures say anything.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
the passage says he was tempted, just like we are.

 

[Free]

where is the term "God-man" in scripture? just curious.

It isn't in Scripture. You know that.

i am not making the scriptures say anything.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
the passage says he was tempted, just like we are.

Right.

How about addressing the argument that is in the opening post, the topic of this thread.

 

[jaybird]

. And what you seem to be trying to make these passages say contradicts much of that context.

may i ask you to give me an example of these contradictions? i get that it contradicts the theology but how does it contradict the scriptures?

 

[jaybird]

dont think the trinity is a false teaching, i think it has some issues such as the one i just preseented. the trinity tries to make something rational that is very irrational. its like explaining how Jesus walked on water, it was faith but try teaching someone the specifics so they can go out and walk on water. i think there is a lot more to it thqan what the trinity explains and the trinity prevents one from learning it.

 

[Free]

dont think the trinity is a false teaching, i think it has some issues such as the one i just preseented.

But you didn't present an issue. I gave you a rational explanation for what those two verses say but you simply dismissed it. Your understanding of James 1:13 is deficient, and perhaps of Jesus himself.

the trinity tries to make something rational that is very irrational. its like explaining how Jesus walked on water, it was faith but try teaching someone the specifics so they can go out and walk on water. i think there is a lot more to it thqan what the trinity explains and the trinity prevents one from learning it.

There is a big difference between irrationality and incomprehensibility.

 

[OzSpen]

John 8:40
40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did.
according to Jesus He was.

Thank you for confirming that Jesus was a real human being - a man - who came in the flesh. Was he more than a human being in the flesh?

 

[jaybird]

But you didn't present an issue. I gave you a rational explanation for what those two verses say but you simply dismissed it. Your understanding of James 1:13 is deficient, and perhaps of Jesus himself.

i did present an issue.
a verse that says the Most High can not be tempted
a verse that says Jesus was tempted
combined with the trinity saying Jesus is the Most High.
this does not add up.