'Mind boggling' Trinity

[jaybird]

It's not a matter of if it helps me. That's pragmatism. It's a matter of whether it is the truth. Is it true that Jesus is the God-man? I'm not asking if it is true for me. I ask: Is it the truth?
Oz

isn't that what we were discussing before you side tracked it by asking if i was on a personal crusade.

 

[jaybird]

I see what you're saying. How do you explain it?

i dont know how to explain it. but i dont think the trinity explains it. i think there is more to it

 

[jaybird]

You hold it in tension with the understanding that Jesus is both God and man. It is only one piece of a very large puzzle--the greater context.

You seem to be doing the very thing you are accusing others of--you have yet to address the topic of this thread. Is that because it doesn't fit with your theology? You have only posted a couple of verses with which you seem to be saying that Jesus cannot be God. If that is not what you are saying, then I fail to understand what your whole point is for posting such a thing in a thread on the Trinity.

i thought the topic was the trinity?

 

[Free]

i thought the topic was the trinity?

The topic is William Lane Craig's response to an agnostic's questions regarding the Trinity.

 

[Jim Parker]

i never understood how Jesus was tempted 3 times and according to James, the Most High can not be tempted. Hebrews 4:15

The devil tempted Jesus (tried to get Him to sin) but Jesus wasn't tempted. (He wasn't interested.)
The devil tried to get Jesus to sin but Jesus did not feel any urge whatsoever to even consider the what the devil was trying to get Him to do.
So the devil tempted (made a sales pitch to) Jesus but Jesus was not tempted. (He was not interested in what the devil had to offer.)

Now do you get it?

iakov the fool 2

 

[jaybird]

The devil tempted Jesus (tried to get Him to sin) but Jesus wasn't tempted. (He wasn't interested.)
The devil tried to get Jesus to sin but Jesus did not feel any urge whatsoever to even consider the what the devil was trying to get Him to do.
So the devil tempted (made a sales pitch to) Jesus but Jesus was not tempted. (He was not interested in what the devil had to offer.)

Now do you get it?

iakov the fool 2

iakov the fool? i was wandering where you went.

i get what u guys are saying, but its confusing when the hebrews passage says He was tempted just as we are.

 

[th1b.taylor]

iakov the fool? i was wandering where you went.

i get what u guys are saying, but its confusing when the hebrews passage says He was tempted just as we are.

Why did you ask for an understanding of context, never respond and refuse wise teaching? You do know nowthat ine verse/sentence is not the context of a statement. It might be the key verse/sentence but being a single line, it is not the context of the writing iit is included in.

So what gives with you refusing instruction?

 

[Jim Parker]

i get what u guys are saying, but its confusing when the hebrews passage says He was tempted just as we are.

Ah! That's different from what I understood.
Jesus was a total human being and God the Logos at the same time.
So, having flesh, He experienced the fleshly urges of every human being.
But, being completely submitted to the will of the Father, He did nothing contrary to that will. (Jhn 5:19)
He was man as God intended man to be; controlled by the spirit and intellect rather than by the flesh through the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. (1Jo 2:16)

It was necessary for Him to be tempted but not to give in to any temptation in order that, having no sin, neither would he be subject to death. (Rom 6:23) Therefore, having voluntarily given Himself to be killed, He could not be held by death because he had not earned a death through sin. By rising bodily from death, He destroyed the power of death to hold mankind. So all mankind will be raised, bodily, from death never to physically die again. (1Co 15:21-22)

Christ had to be like us in every way in order to give himself for all of us.
If HE had been God masquerading as a man, then he would not have really died.
If he was not flesh and blood and did not really suffer but only appeared to suffer and die then he would have accomplished nothing.

A man, Adam, brought sin and death to humanity. It was necessary that a man bring eternal life as God had originally planned.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.

iakov the fool

 

[WIP]

i get what u guys are saying, but its confusing when the hebrews passage says He was tempted just as we are.

He (Jesus) faced the same temptations we do. He just didn't respond (desire to give in) to those temptations in any way whatsoever, not even at the subconscious level.