miracles

[Vic C.]

God can and does work miracle's in everyday life. We don't need some huge
complicated theological formula to decide if it's a miracle.

Lets say a person loses his job. Lets say he prays for another.
The next day he gets one. I consider this a "miracle" in the
sense that God had a direct hand in it.

"Ask and you shall receive"

That doesn't fit the Biblical examples of a miracle. All the example given in Scripture are acts that defied the natural order (law) of things known to man and his limited understanding. Hey, a non believer can lose his job and find a new one the next day, is that a miracle? Be careful, believing that what you stated above is a miracle may leave you to believe that all sorts of things are miracles of God.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[Pelagia]

In the context of the use of the term miracle, in this thread, I would add(of my own view) that a miracle is the Hand of God touching our lives and it will change us from that moment on, to move closer to Him.

But, what we see as a miracle, is considered extrodinary in comparison to how the saints of the church saw it as a daily participation of the state of theosis(living in constant communion with God), the way the Apostles did.

Take for example, the lives of monks on the Holy Mountain (Mt. Athos), in Greece. They experienced unexplained events of miraculous nature, through contact with holy men of God, who lived there, and accepted it as an understandable consequence of the relationship that the holy men had established with God.

One example is Elder Porphyrios the blind, who died in 1991. Everyone that met with him, experienced an extrodinary circumstance because he was in constant communion with God and therefore surpassed all physical secular logic. In the secular world, such things are not heard of, but in the closest faith with God, miracles are present everyday.

In Christ,

Pelagia

 

[supernac]

Miracle:

any amazing or wonderful occurrence
a marvellous event manifesting a supernatural act of God

I thing were gonna have to agree to disagree.

I belive a miracle can be any work of God.

I agree with your false Christ statment, though if you look
at the fruits you will see if it is good or bad.

 

[Vic C.]

Miracle:

any amazing or wonderful occurrence
a marvellous event manifesting a supernatural act of God

I can agree with that, especially the second definition.

I thing were gonna have to agree to disagree.

I belive a miracle can be any work of God.

No problems with that, mainly because of your statement below...

I agree with your false Christ statment, though if you look
at the fruits you will see if it is good or bad.

I admire your discernment on this issue. :angel:

 

[lightuntomypath2]

I believe miracles happen, I have seen where someone is diagnosed with liver cancer after many tests and not much hope is present that the person will survive, then the cancer vanishes before surgery.

 

[ThinkerMan]

I believe miracles happen, I have seen where someone is diagnosed with liver cancer after many tests and not much hope is present that the person will survive, then the cancer vanishes before surgery.

As with any ailment, there are those that die regardless of medical assistance, those that get better with medical assistance, and even those that get better with no assistance.

There is a distribution of how they are affected.

Like the bell curve above, imagine horizontal line is how long people live after diagnosis. The people who lay at the far right extreme are those who have total remission. That occurance may only happen to a small percentage of people, but that's exactly what the distribution predicts would happen.

That person who "miraculously" got better just happened to be the person at the far right extreme of the above bell curve.

It's kind of like winning the lottery. It may seem like a miracle, but statistically someone will win eventually. It's simply statistics.