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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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Modern Day Prophets & Apostles
- Thread starter Lewis
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craigmn3
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Of the prophets mentioned in 1 Corithians 12.....I don't believe they are of the Elijah, Isaiah ilk. Those men spoke for God when God could not speak to the individual. The Holy Spirit only indwelt kings, preists and prophets.
All believers now have the Holy Spirit indwelling in them and we no longer need oracles and future tellers.
What we need are people who will stand up in a dying world and in the midst of a suffocating church and proclaim the truth. And perhaps get a few rocks at thrown at them. It takes a gift and a calling to expouse the bitter* pill of the truth of God. And it takes a gift and a calling to stand up to the derision of men for the truth's sake. This was also the reward of a prophet.
Certainly not a Prophet......but a prophet...sure. No glory, no honor, just a job to do and they do it.
Sometimes, that message is personal....because sometimes our hearts are hard and we cannot hear from God. But you will never be told anything new.....for whatever they will say, God has already said to you.
That's my take.
*bitter to those who sip the honey of the world.
All believers now have the Holy Spirit indwelling in them and we no longer need oracles and future tellers.
What we need are people who will stand up in a dying world and in the midst of a suffocating church and proclaim the truth. And perhaps get a few rocks at thrown at them. It takes a gift and a calling to expouse the bitter* pill of the truth of God. And it takes a gift and a calling to stand up to the derision of men for the truth's sake. This was also the reward of a prophet.
Certainly not a Prophet......but a prophet...sure. No glory, no honor, just a job to do and they do it.
Sometimes, that message is personal....because sometimes our hearts are hard and we cannot hear from God. But you will never be told anything new.....for whatever they will say, God has already said to you.
That's my take.
*bitter to those who sip the honey of the world.
theLords
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God is not putting out Biblical Prophets the last Prophet was Christ when He spoke "It is finished" it trully was finished. He fulfilled the law and the plan of salvation set forth in the OT. That's why it's making you uncomfortable.
I think it's all about semantics. Paul says that prophesying is a gift that edifies the body and some in the body are given this gift and correct me if I'm wrong but that "all should desire to have this gift" (or was it another gift he said this of?) I think when someone calls themselves a "prophet" in modern terms it freaks everybody out because of crazy people who call themselves prophets who told their followers to drink the kool aid etc.
I've had a person tell me that they were a prophet and give me a rhema word from the Lord. I took it to the Lord and the Lord told me it was junk and to throw it away and reject it. (Testing the spirit: did not line up with Scripture, did not edify, did not build up but tore down= was not prophetic)
Yet, once I was in Church with a friend (the first time either of us had been there) and there was a prophet speaking who after his message prophesied my friends entire (past) life to her. She balled like a baby. The thing that touched her the most was that for the first time in her life God made it clear to her that He saw every tear she cried, that He was there through every difficult circumstance, and that He cared about her so much. She dedicated her life to the Lord right then and there. (Testing the spirit: lined up with the Scripture, edified and built up, blessed her heart= prophetic)
We are called to test the spirits and I've shown the example of why it's so important. The Bible says that prophesy should edify and build up and not knock down.
This is why it makes so many Christians uncomfortable. Any average Joe can say "Hey, I'm a prophet" and think they can run around speaking whatever they want.
Thoughts Lewis?
craigmn3
Member
The Bible mentions gifts of the prophets and prophecy three times.
It must be accounted for.
1 Corinthians 12:<SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28658>27</SUP> Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28659>28</SUP> And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28660>29</SUP> Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28661>30</SUP> Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28662>31</SUP> But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.
Romans 12:
<SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28245>3</SUP> For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28246>4</SUP> For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28247>5</SUP> so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28248>6</SUP> Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28249>7</SUP> or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28250>8</SUP> he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Ephesians 4: <SUP>11</SUP> And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-29281>12</SUP> for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-29282>13</SUP> till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
No where are these rescinded, so we must deal with the biblical fact that they are, but HOW they are should be the point of discussion
It must be accounted for.
1 Corinthians 12:<SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28658>27</SUP> Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28659>28</SUP> And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28660>29</SUP> Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28661>30</SUP> Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28662>31</SUP> But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.
Romans 12:
<SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28245>3</SUP> For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28246>4</SUP> For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28247>5</SUP> so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28248>6</SUP> Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28249>7</SUP> or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-28250>8</SUP> he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Ephesians 4: <SUP>11</SUP> And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-29281>12</SUP> for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NKJV-29282>13</SUP> till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
No where are these rescinded, so we must deal with the biblical fact that they are, but HOW they are should be the point of discussion
craigmn3
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Everything changed at the cross, it is the pivot point of faith....from law to grace,
from God Among us (Jesus) to God within us (the Holy Spirit) everything changed....no more priests, now pastors, no more scribes but teachers, and the role of the prophet changed as well.
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Theofilus
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As has been pointed out already, the New Testament talks about prophets and apostles as ministries within the body of Christ. The burden of proof is on those that deny what the Bible clearly says, not on those that believe it. Can you show proof that God no longer calls people to these ministries?
craigmn3
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I wouldn't use the word metephorical.
The relationship with the believer and God has changed, become much more personal...so the work of the prophet has changed. It is still valid and true, but its not about future casting.
Telling the future was a small portion of the OT prophet's job....speaking God's will in a tough situation....that was the bulk of their work. Now the future has been told by John in Revelation....no more future to tell.
Just proclaiming the truth in difficult situation remains.
theLords
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Where in the OT did a Prophet change the law? That's not true. The law is eternal.
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craigmn3
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I whole heartedly agree that the NT prophet holds no position of authority or respect and would further promote that no minister does. From Apostles to evangelists they have missions and messages but it is up to the believer to follow or not and more specifically to JUDGE if what that minister is saying is true, to the bible. All believers have direct literal conversations with God and they have the bible to back that up, in the end there is one authority. Jesus Christ and our responsibility is with Him
I agree the Ot Prophets did reveal new law, but they did not change it.
The only that changed any law was the death of Christ on the cross
theLords
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Not changed brother- fulfilled
craigmn3
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Amen, I stand corrected
theLords
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Bless your heart
theLords
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It's also in the OT? Wow. You learn something new every day. Was it Jeremiah the weeping Prophet?
theLords
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Craig, who in the OT revealed a new law?
You might want to check into that because the law is eternal :wink3
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Chris
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In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.
thats the Wikipedia version of prophecy, if people cant contact spirit its a dead religion it might as well be only a philosophy. if people can contact Gods Holy spirit and if God is alive and an interventionalist god in mans affairs, why wouldn't he choose to communicate through visions and chose people to convey messages as he did in the past. Times have changed but God hasn't unless he recently decided to.
prophecy was held in high regard as spiritual gift in the NT we just have to believe and listen. The early Christians acted on prophecy.
1 Corinthians 14
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28680">1</sup> Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28681">2</sup> For anyone who speaks in a tongue<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-28681a" title="See footnote a">a</a>]">[a]</sup> does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28682">3</sup> But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28683">4</sup> Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28684">5</sup> I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-28684b" title="See footnote b">b</a>]">[b]</sup> but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-28684c" title="See footnote c">c</a>]">[c]</sup> unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
here is a good example Lewis you might like
I know this prophecy was documented and published in a newspaper so its a legit one the guy isn't making it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym0mM3ekUgA
thats the Wikipedia version of prophecy, if people cant contact spirit its a dead religion it might as well be only a philosophy. if people can contact Gods Holy spirit and if God is alive and an interventionalist god in mans affairs, why wouldn't he choose to communicate through visions and chose people to convey messages as he did in the past. Times have changed but God hasn't unless he recently decided to.
prophecy was held in high regard as spiritual gift in the NT we just have to believe and listen. The early Christians acted on prophecy.
1 Corinthians 14
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28680">1</sup> Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28681">2</sup> For anyone who speaks in a tongue<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-28681a" title="See footnote a">a</a>]">[a]</sup> does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28682">3</sup> But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28683">4</sup> Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-28684">5</sup> I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-28684b" title="See footnote b">b</a>]">[b]</sup> but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-28684c" title="See footnote c">c</a>]">[c]</sup> unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
here is a good example Lewis you might like
I know this prophecy was documented and published in a newspaper so its a legit one the guy isn't making it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym0mM3ekUgA
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jasoncran
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actually two, ezekiel when he told isreal to circumsise the foreskin of thier hearts and repent and follow the lord and he shall restore thy land
and MOSES!!!!!!!!!!! when told isreal and gave them the ten commandments!
theLords
Member
Isn't the book of Jeremiah next to Ezekiel? Do I get a point for that at least :D
Can you show the Scriptures? That's awesome I didn't know that.
Lewis
Member
That is it guy's I am weary of any future telling Prophets of today. I think that I am trying to finally study this stuff, and now is a good time to do it right here on this board. I want to put this Prophet & Apostle thing in it's proper perspective and learn the truth about this thing. And rest my mind with it. And I am well aware of 1 Cor 13.
jasoncran
Member
ok let me look them up for you.
deut 10:16, and also ezekiel 44:7 and also in jeremiah 4:4 so you do win.
some of these mention the idea of circumision of the heart.