[_ Old Earth _] more proof of the bible

[y not peace?]

i want to be amazed out of my mind. Can you guys and girls find beilvable explanations of stories/passages in the bible? Please, this would help me alot in my spiritual need, its not that I dont beilve the Bible its that I want logical proof.

 

[Quath]

I don't think you will find what you are looking for. You may want to go with a non-literal approach to the Bible. Otherwise, you have to deal with stuff like the Bible saying that the Earth does not move (not rotate nor go around the sun).

You would also have to deal with the morality of God in the Old Testament in which He tells people to kill children and accepts human sacrifices. Your aversion to war will probably be at odds with the Old Testament morality.

Quath

 

[maranatha_man]

I'd suggest Isaac Asimov's Guide To The Bible as one good source (Haha!!- altho I've never read it myself yet!).

There's all kinds of perfectly realistic , working explanations to re-told Bible events. Example-

Exodus 7:20, 21 etc....where Moses & Aaron impress Pharoah w/ their ability to "turn the Nile into blood" was actually a red tide and seasonal pollution condition & fish die-off, occurring at that time.

Certain types of red tide organisms can even be stimulated to bloom further in containers of river water in the presence of an iron rod (a "wand"), thus producing really red "blood-like" water coloration, that no fish will ever survive...

 

[reznwerks]

i want to be amazed out of my mind. Can you guys and girls find beilvable explanations of stories/passages in the bible? Please, this would help me alot in my spiritual need, its not that I dont beilve the Bible its that I want logical proof.

If you are looking for logical proof of the bible you will not find it. The bible admits to this as well when it says that "faith is the evidence of things not seen". If there were evidence of truth to the fantastic stories surly it would have surfaced by now. What should make you question the stories is the simple fact that without the bible the fantastic stories appear nowhere else even though non Christian and non Jew were supposed witnesses to the events. For example outside of the bible no one records the "slaughter of the innocents by Herod" not even by the victims no one records the trial of Jesus , the crucifixion, the eclipse, or earthquake, the saints getting out of their graves and appearing to many. It would seem to me that they would have appeared to non believers as well and more importantly this appears to me to be an even bigger miracle than the resurection of a body only dead for 2 1/2 days. Wouldn't you agree?I think a good place for your inquiry should start here with the origins of the bible and if you don't believe whats here you can validate the info at any good library.

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

 

[maranatha_man]

...the simple fact that without the bible the fantastic stories appear nowhere else even though non Christian and non Jew were supposed witnesses to the events.

...but keep in mind that one of the definitions of witness also means simply to claim verbally or "tell of"....NOT necessarily firsthand observation ;-) ....in that case there are indeed many, many "witnesses" to incredible Bible events :-D

 

[prayerpower]

Delve into Biblical Archeology website/magazine. I used to receive the magazine for a year type of thing and I LOVED it! Not all articles are written by Christians.

Archeologists have found evidence of the city of Ai
Joseph's bone box
Pool of Shiloam
Ancient coins at the bottom of the Dead Sea

That's all that I can think of right now.

Of course there are two sides to each of this finds in archeology - the pros and cons. For example: Say I have a ball point ink pen in my hand. I feel it and I can see it. But my mind has to BELIEVE it before I *know* that I have a ball point ink pen in my hand. So, even if you read these articles - it still takes faith and discernment to believe them. As far as refutable evidence................. my belief - that God is who He says He is & that He can do what He says He can do.

 

[reznwerks]

...the simple fact that without the bible the fantastic stories appear nowhere else even though non Christian and non Jew were supposed witnesses to the events.

...but keep in mind that one of the definitions of witness also means simply to claim verbally or "tell of"....NOT necessarily firsthand observation ;-) ....in that case there are indeed many, many "witnesses" to incredible Bible events :-D

Therefor what you use as "evidence" is nothing more than hear say which is hardly what any court of law would use to render a verdict.More importantly the "hear say" is also lacking. Nothing outside of the bible exists whether attested to or not regarding the fantastic claims made therein.

 

[reznwerks]

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Delve into Biblical Archeology website/magazine. I used to receive the magazine for a year type of thing and I LOVED it! Not all articles are written by Christians.

Archeologists have found evidence of the city of Ai
Joseph's bone box
Pool of Shiloam
Ancient coins at the bottom of the Dead Sea

That's all that I can think of right now.

Of course there are two sides to each of this finds in archeology - the pros and cons. For example: Say I have a ball point ink pen in my hand. I feel it and I can see it. But my mind has to BELIEVE it before I *know* that I have a ball point ink pen in my hand. So, even if you read these articles - it still takes faith and discernment to believe them. As far as refutable evidence................. my belief - that God is who He says He is & that He can do what He says He can do.

Just because some things in the bible can be verified does not mean that the bible is all true. As to the bone box I believe if you check the latest results it has been proven a forgery and as to the coins in the dead sea all that means is that there are coins in the dead sea. Or did you mean the Red Sea? It doesn't matter. When it comes to fantastic tales you need fantastic evidence. You have to believe that God overwrites the laws of nature and no one testifies to it outside of the bible. You have to believe that God alters the laws of nature to change his mind when he is perfect and all knowing. How can a perfect being who knows all and changes not be compelled by underlings who admit to being unworthy change his master plan?

 

[TheScarletPimpernel]

When people ask me, how is scripture relevant to us today, or how is it validated, I show them this one:

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

Peter and Paul and all the Apostles and even all the people in the bible have long since departed this world. Do you think that God has? Thus scripture is relevant to us if the HOLY SPIRIT is still present in the world, not so? And it is the Holy Spirit that validates scripture, not your history or archaology or your apologetics or rationalisations.

Hehe so you can have some fun thinking like this. Non-trinitarians - this need not apply to you; your beliefs are not relevant to today. In fact nobody's religious or philosophical beliefs are relevant in actual fact if they are not borne witness of and validated by the Holy Spirit. When I say, relevant, I mean, not relevant to eternal salvation or relevant to God. Too bad huh?

 

[PHIL121]

i want to be amazed out of my mind. Can you guys and girls find beilvable explanations of stories/passages in the bible? Please, this would help me alot in my spiritual need, its not that I dont beilve the Bible its that I want logical proof.

Get a Copy of Josh McDowel's "Evidence That Demands a Verdict".

 

[Jimbob]

There was evidence in Egyptian records of Hebrew slaves around the time of Ramses II.

That's all the (legitimate) evidence I can think of off the top of my head, at least pertaining to the Old Testament.

 

[Quath]

There was evidence in Egyptian records of Hebrew slaves around the time of Ramses II.

What kind of evidence? There is a timing problem from some senarios of when the israelites could have been Egyptian slaves. But from what i have seen the Egyptians never recorded having Hebrew slaves.

Quath

 

[PHIL121]

Read about the prophecies of Tyre, as well as the Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.

That's a good place to start :roll:

 

[Jimbob]

There was evidence in Egyptian records of Hebrew slaves around the time of Ramses II.

What kind of evidence? There is a timing problem from some senarios of when the israelites could have been Egyptian slaves. But from what i have seen the Egyptians never recorded having Hebrew slaves.

Quath

I read that there were records of them from the time of Ramses II.

I'll go check it again.

 

[Imagican]

Instead of looking for stories in the Bible, I would suggest that you simply start reading it complete. If you are truly looking for proof, in this way you will surely find it. From explanations of nature that took man thousands more years to prove, to the reason that the modern Egyptians don't even know their own history except for what has been discovered in the past 150 years. And Daniel offers some obvious proofs to anyone willing to open themselves up to understanding. Lion, eagle, Bear, four-headed leopard? Amazing predictions to be made thousands of years ago.

 

[Quath]

Instead of looking for stories in the Bible, I would suggest that you simply start reading it complete.

I once tried to read the Bible cover to cover. The problem was I got stuck in Genesis. It says that there is a solid dome over our heads. What else can be in the Bible that will ever make that make sense?

It is like saying that Abraham Lincoln was the first President of the USSR. We know that is bunk and anything after that will not change that huge goof up.

I think the "read the whole Bible" type of arguments are designed to remove more people from questioning. If the answers are clear then someone reading the whole Bible should be able to answer the questions. So far I find that is not the case.

Quath

 

[reznwerks]

records

Instead of looking for stories in the Bible, I would suggest that you simply start reading it complete. If you are truly looking for proof, in this way you will surely find it. From explanations of nature that took man thousands more years to prove, to the reason that the modern Egyptians don't even know their own history except for what has been discovered in the past 150 years. And Daniel offers some obvious proofs to anyone willing to open themselves up to understanding. Lion, eagle, Bear, four-headed leopard? Amazing predictions to be made thousands of years ago.

The claim that the Egyptians don't know their own history may be true but everyone else does. Archeologists can read the history of the Egyptians like todays newspaper and unless I missed something their history doesn't record the Hebrews held as slaves or their escape or any of the other stories attributed to them in the bible.
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/timelines ... lavery.htm

 

[Vanaka]

Instead of looking for stories in the Bible, I would suggest that you simply start reading it complete.

I once tried to read the Bible cover to cover. The problem was I got stuck in Genesis. It says that there is a solid dome over our heads. What else can be in the Bible that will ever make that make sense?

It is like saying that Abraham Lincoln was the first President of the USSR. We know that is bunk and anything after that will not change that huge goof up.

I think the "read the whole Bible" type of arguments are designed to remove more people from questioning. If the answers are clear then someone reading the whole Bible should be able to answer the questions. So far I find that is not the case.

Quath

wow....no offense....but it pretty obivous what the bible is talking about there....duh.....the atmospher...

It is like saying that Abraham Lincoln was the first President of the USSR. We know that is bunk and anything after that will not change that huge goof up.

with your level of under standing he probably was :-D

anyway,I dont think I've even read that.... :o

 

[Quath]

wow....no offense....but it pretty obivous what the bible is talking about there....duh.....the atmospher...

It is funny that you would follow "no offense" with "duh."

If you read the Bible, you will see this is not the case. A firmament is not a gas because a gas is not firm. Also, God opens a window in the firmament to flood the Earth. You do not have to open up the atmosphere to cause rain, the rains falls from the atmosphere. Also, there is a description of the treasuries of hail and snow on top of the firmament that God would drop down on Earth. Snow and hail are not stored anywhere, they form from clouds as they fall to the ground.

Duh.

Quath

 

[PHIL121]

It is like saying that Abraham Lincoln was the first President of the USSR. We know that is bunk and anything after that will not change that huge goof up.

with your level of under standing he probably was :-D

anyway,I dont think I've even read that.... :o

Yaknow...if Lincoln were alive today, he'd probably be considered a left-wing extremist, considering how he felt labor was the superior of capital.