"Morning Consecration To Mary"

[BradtheImpaler]

We Catholics hold Mary as our Queen and our Mother. Now, anyone who is "so lacking in intellegence" that they would pray to Mary knows that no Queen is greater than her King

I didn't say that those who pray to Mary are lacking in intelligence, I said that those who pray to Mary and expect others to believe that that is not worship must believe those others are lacking in intelligence.

In the Middle Ages the queen was often the mother of the king. Upon the mother's death the wife of the king became queen. Mary is the mother of Christ. Christ is her King. It would seem to follow that Mary would be His Queen. And we His people would hold not only Him as King, but her as queen

So you, who do not worship Mary, have no problem with her being designated the "Queen of Heaven"? There is only one "Queen of Heaven" mentioned in the bible, and God had a BIG problem with that designation.

Another custom in the Middle ages was for a kinght to pledge his service to a lady. The knights, through their service to ladies, would serve the king. As Catholics this is what we do. We are knights fighting for Christ, striving to further His kingdom. We pledge our service to Mary so that we may serve our Lord. Please remeber that Christ is MAry's King and no Queen is above her king. We are knights who have sworn alledgence to Mary and since she is under Christ, Christ is sworn our alledgence as well.

She doesn't have to be "over" Christ or even equal to Christ to qualify on the level of a "goddess". Among pagan deities, there were lesser and greater gods and goddesses. What qualified these as deities? Well, they were PRAYED TO for one thing. Incense or candles were burned before their images, statues of them were paraded through towns, festivals were given in their honor, etc.

The attributes of deity were slowly but surely granted to Mary in a series of purely non-biblical fabrications....

Jesus was sinless, so eventually the Church claimed Mary was also.

Jesus ascended into heaven, so eventually the Church claimed Mary did also.

Jesus is the mediator, so eventually Mary became the "Co-Mediatrix".

What has happened here should be clear to any thinking person. The Church wanted a goddess, but they couldn't literally give her that title because of overwhelming biblical constraint, so they describe her, in truth, as a goddess, and, "on paper", deny that is what they have done.

 

[John the Baptist]

Information??
Today information is all over the place! You name it. Jesuits priests I think was from the USA Government file? Can't be sure, but will see if I can find it. Seems that it is posted up here on 123 somewhere though? At least one of the forums that I frequent.

Here is one that was seen in print some few months ago.___

Analysis of the estimates of others: According to Amanda Ripley of Time Magazine, estimates range from 15% to 50%. 3
According to Bill Blakemore of ABC News, "...nobody knows what percentage of the American priesthood is gay; estimates range from less than 10% to more than 30%." 4

Personal estimates: Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, has studied celibacy, chastity, and sexuality in the priesthood for four decades. He has authored three books on the topic. He once estimated that 30% of the priesthood is homosexually oriented. 5 Elsewhere, he is quoted as estimating that between 25% and 45% of American priests are homosexual in orientation. 6 He told the Boston Globe: "If they were to eliminate all those who were homosexually oriented, the number would be so staggering that it would be like an atomic bomb; it would do the same damage to the church's operation...It would mean the resignation of at least a third of the bishops of the world. And it's very much against the tradition of the church; many saints had a gay orientation, and many popes had gay orientations. Discriminating against orientation is not going to solve the problem."
Sister Maryanne Walsh, spokesperson for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, said that it would it be difficult to find evidence to support these Sipe's estimates of the percentage of gay men in the priesthood. She feels that it is also irrelevant. She said: "There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual. The issue is whether they can make a commitment [to chastity]." 6
Bishop Jerome Listecki is an auxiliary bishop in Chicago. He estimates that "perhaps more than 10%" of priests have a homosexual orientation." (Emphasis ours). 5
Father Donald Cozzens, an author, psychologist, and Catholic seminary president says that there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned that “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.†5 In his book, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood," -- published in the year 2000 -- he estimates that 50% of Roman Catholic priests have a homosexual orientation.
A NBC report on chastity and the clergy found that "anywhere from 23 percent to 58 percent" of the Catholic clergy have a homosexual orientation. 7
Author and sociologist James G. Wolfe estimated that 48.5% of priests were gay. 8

Actual surveys: In the Fall of 1999, the Kansas City Star sent a questionnaire to 3,000 priests in the U.S. 73% did not reply. The low response rate could be anticipated. One would expect homosexuals and bisexuals to be reluctant to respond to the questionnaire since it deals with such a sensitive issue, and originated from a newspaper. Homosexual and bisexual priests would probably be less likely to reply to the survey. Among the 801 priests who did reply: 75% said they had a heterosexual orientation;
15% homosexual;
5% bisexual. 9

During 1990, Rev. Thomas Crangle, a Franciscan priest in Passaic, N.J., mailed a survey to 500 randomly selected priests. Of the 398 responses, about 45% said that they were gay. 10


Conclusion: If we assume that all of the estimates are of equal validity, then about 33% of priests have a homosexual orientation -- about one in three.


There was another one in the USA News where priest were 1 in 4 times more infested with the Aids virus, than that of the average USA male. I guess that you know that this Virus is not gotten from drinking cool-aid?
I have that around here somewhere also.

Here is one from Sunday November 14, 2004 (in just a small part)
-Boston Archbishop reveals anguish of closings; advises focus on church-
By Ken Maguire Associated Press
BOSTON---
... O'Malley said the restructuring was prompted by factors including the clergy sex abuse scandal, lawsuit settlements, declining attendance and fewer priests."

And what does God say? Read it again in Revelation 18:4, one does understand what the Word Partaker means do they not?
By the way, some of these come from the Gentile world, instead of the 'blind & naked' professed of Revelation 3:16-17 ones, huh? Had you ever wondered why [all] these [Lukewarm] ones make Christ sick? I reckon that it has to do with God needing the Gentile 'rocks' to cry out instead of being able to use His professed Virgin ones of Matthew 25 who are [all fast asleep] calling apostate Rome a christian church?

Some 'blind' yet 'sincere' Christians still 'yoked' inside of Rome, is not the point. Yet, I would doubt that God will not continue on in having Rome undressed by even the rocks if need be!

---John

 

[BradtheImpaler]

There was another one in the USA News where priest were 1 in 4 times more infested with the Aids virus, than that of the average USA male. I guess that you know that this Virus is not gotten from drinking cool-aid?
I have that around here somewhere also

http://www.actupny.org/YELL/catholicpriests.html

 

[John the Baptist]

There was another one in the USA News where priest were 1 in 4 times more infested with the Aids virus, than that of the average USA male. I guess that you know that this Virus is not gotten from drinking cool-aid?
I have that around here somewhere also

http://www.actupny.org/YELL/catholicpriests.html

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John here:
Thanks for the update. It seems that I was still with the first report.

About what I had mentioned in the earlier post about Gentils getting the Word out (rocks) instead of the professed ones of Christ, I found it interesting a couple yrs. ago with the evening world news anchor Tom Brocaw telling the 'universe' that Aids had become a plague of bibical proportions. And the bibical ones of today??? All Sleeping if not the dead of Ezekiel 37 say very little if anything?

And here we see George Will Wednesday, June 7, 2006 telling us that "The U.S. epidemic, which so far has killed 530,000 .."

And what we need is more education, huh? Very sick, from the top on down of all mankind. But the Luke 12:47-48 'knowledgeable' ones will be judged the most guilty Christ says!

 

[Klee shay]

John 19: 25-27

25Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son," 27and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

You can take Mary into your home, or you can close the door in her face and ridicule those who accept her. The choice is yours.

Jesus left his mother to be with God. Shouldn't this be a lesson to us also?

 

[Lewis]

Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:


I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

Honor your father and mother.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

HUH !!!!!

 

[Imagican]

Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:


I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

Honor your father and mother.

OK, And what has this to do with 'prayer' offered to Mary. I certainly 'honor' the mother of Christ in my heart, but how does this justify 'prayer' to Mary?

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

 

[notapseudonym]

BradtheImpaler, you made the following claim and tried to back it up:

"The attributes of deity were slowly but surely granted to Mary in a series of purely non-biblical fabrications....

Jesus was sinless, so eventually the Church claimed Mary was also.

Jesus ascended into heaven, so eventually the Church claimed Mary did also.

Jesus is the mediator, so eventually Mary became the "Co-Mediatrix"."

Could you now please site Catholic sources showing thes "fabrications," a Catholic source showing preciesly where Mary was claimed to be ascended into Heaven, a source where Mary is showed to be sinless, and a source where she is made co-mediatrix? If you can produce such as ource and site from it I would be very much obliged since it will be Catholic and not a protestant manipulation.

As to lacking in intellegince; who is it that lacks intellegence? Yes, it would indeed be a grievious fault if anyone expected to believe just as they did. This is not the case in regards to the Catholic belief of Mary. I believe it was Augustine (a Catholic) who said "Man cannot believe against his will." Catholics do not ask that you, a non Catholic, adhere to our beliefs but we do ask that you do not attack us on the basis of our beliefs but argue yours intellegently.

Please site the "Queen in Heaven" in the Bible that God has a BIg problem with.


You then say:
"She doesn't have to be "over" Christ or even equal to Christ to qualify on the level of a "goddess". Among pagan deities, there were lesser and greater gods and goddesses. What qualified these as deities? Well, they were PRAYED TO for one thing. Incense or candles were burned before their images, statues of them were paraded through towns, festivals were given in their honor, etc."

Is this to say Catholics are pagan? If a goddess does not have to be over or equal to Christ can you please define what a goddess is? Please keep in mind taht when defining something you convey the essence of the word so in this definition the word Mary and Christ should not be used.

I look forward to your reply.

 

[Fulton Sheen's Warrior]

+JMJ+

ttg wrote:
Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:


I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

Honor your father and mother.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods

.

HUH !!!!!

If Jesus honors His Mother (which He does to perfection) then He must honor her requests as well. If we give a prayer to Mary and she takes it to her Son that request is made all the more beautiful.

 

[Lewis]

+JMJ+

ttg wrote:
Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:


I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

Honor your father and mother.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods

.

[quote:abc3d]HUH !!!!!

If Jesus honors His Mother (which He does to perfection) then He must honor her requests as well. If we give a prayer to Mary and she takes it to her Son that request is made all the more beautiful.[/quote:abc3d]
Somebody help me.

 

[John the Baptist]

Life is Truly a mess, huh? And we wonder who gets into the mind of suicide bombers?

---John

 

[SputnikBoy]

Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:

I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

What happened to 'the graven images' command?

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

WHAT? Isn't this tantamunt to blasphemy? What happened to the 7th-day Sabbath?

Honor your father and mother.

Honoring them is hardly justification for deifying them.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

The last of the authentic commands has been split into two to compensate for the removal of the 'graven images' command. Interesting how the Catholic Ten Commandments have been modified for convenience. The 'graven images' command is gone ...I wonder why? The Sabbath command has been altered to accomodate Sunday worship which MOST of mainstream Christianity follows! And again, the last command about coveting has been split into two to make ten. Isn't there a biblical text somewhere that takes a dim view of the Bible being tampered with?

 

[John the Baptist]

Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:

I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

What happened to 'the graven images' command?

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

WHAT? Isn't this tantamunt to blasphemy? What happened to the 7th-day Sabbath?

Honor your father and mother.

Honoring them is hardly justification for deifying them.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

The last of the authentic commands has been split into two to compensate for the removal of the 'graven images' command. Interesting how the Catholic Ten Commandments have been modified for convenience. The 'graven images' command is gone ...I wonder why? The Sabbath command has been altered to accomodate Sunday worship which MOST of mainstream Christianity follows! And again, the last command about coveting has been split into two to make ten. Isn't there a biblical text somewhere that takes a dim view of the Bible being tampered with?

---Sput, seeing that they are posting everywhere, why not put this over on the 'Tradition' thread as well as here? This is a good straight posting!
--John

 

[Imagican]

+JMJ+

ttg wrote:
Scriptural basis for honoring Mary:


I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

Honor your father and mother.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods

.

[quote:f4f9f]HUH !!!!!

If Jesus honors His Mother (which He does to perfection) then He must honor her requests as well. If we give a prayer to Mary and she takes it to her Son that request is made all the more beautiful.[/quote:f4f9f]

And I would ask 'how you 'made this up', but I already know that 'you' didn't, it is simply 'something' that has been 'taught' to you by your 'leaders'. Now, what I will ask is; what 'proof' do you have; scriptural, that would 'back up' such a statement?

 

[thessalonian]

Imagican,

You seem to have a problem with application of scripture. You believe Jesus was/is a man and yet did not/does not honor his mother? This would be a sin. As I recall, though you deny Jesus divinity, you at least think he was a man and so the commanments would have applied to him, right? Are not commandments of God eternal?

 

[thessalonian]

What happened to 'the graven images' command?

Sput if you will look in our catechism, it is a part of the first commanment to have no false God's before you. Isn't that what a graven image that one worshipped would be. Therefore it seems an appropriate association. Noone removed or hides anything except from the perspective of outsiders with an axe to grind.

God bless

 

[John the Baptist]

What happened to 'the graven images' command?

Sput if you will look in our catechism, it is a part of the first commanment to have no false God's before you. Isn't that what a graven image that one worshipped would be. Therefore it seems an appropriate association. Noone removed or hides anything except from the perspective of outsiders with an axe to grind.

God bless

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And they even got Mary alive and in heaven?????

Quote: "If Jesus honors His Mother (which He does to perfection) then He must honor her requests as well. If we give a prayer to Mary and she takes it to her Son that request is made all the more beautiful."

The poor deludes 'blind' souls.

---John

 

[thessalonian]

What happened to 'the graven images' command?

Sput if you will look in our catechism, it is a part of the first commanment to have no false God's before you. Isn't that what a graven image that one worshipped would be. Therefore it seems an appropriate association. Noone removed or hides anything except from the perspective of outsiders with an axe to grind.

God bless

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And they even got Mary alive and in heaven?????

Quote: "If Jesus honors His Mother (which He does to perfection) then He must honor her requests as well. If we give a prayer to Mary and she takes it to her Son that request is made all the more beautiful."

The poor deludes 'blind' souls.

---John

You think she went to hell?

 

[John the Baptist]

What happened to 'the graven images' command?

Sput if you will look in our catechism, it is a part of the first commanment to have no false God's before you. Isn't that what a graven image that one worshipped would be. Therefore it seems an appropriate association. Noone removed or hides anything except from the perspective of outsiders with an axe to grind.

God bless

********
And they even got Mary alive and in heaven?????

Quote: "If Jesus honors His Mother (which He does to perfection) then He must honor her requests as well. If we give a prayer to Mary and she takes it to her Son that request is made all the more beautiful."

The poor deludes 'blind' souls.

---John

You think she went to hell?

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Hay friend, if you are sincere? you can put this Catholic ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH stuff to rest, by just 'seeing' what the Word of God teaches on those who have died. Mary included!

---John

 

[thessalonian]

I thought you were a Baptist John. Are you an SDA?

I am curious as to how we are deluded by poor people? :wink:

The poor deludes 'blind' souls.