"Morning Consecration To Mary"

[SputnikBoy]

SputnikBoy


Is thess trying to bait you into an argument? That guy just can't realize that the RCC is as screwy if not more then any other so called church.

:D

Henry insults your church and you smile. :-?

Oh, sorry ...I didn't realize that was what he was doing. So ... :smt014 ...grrrr ...

 

[thessalonian]

nd it just seems that the more Bible Truth one posts, some readers just become more hardened? See Hosea 4:6 in the K.J.

Who posts such truth John? You, henry, or sputty? Are you talking about me being hardened to BT or all three of us. Make your wisdom known to us all oh great one sent by God as his mouthpiece. :-?

 

[John the Baptist]

nd it just seems that the more Bible Truth one posts, some readers just become more hardened? See Hosea 4:6 in the K.J.

Who posts such truth John? You, henry, or sputty? Are you talking about me being hardened to BT or all three of us. Make your wisdom known to us all oh great one sent by God as his mouthpiece. :-?

I'll take the challenge! :wink: This below surely helps one to understand Revelation 17:1-5 much better! But it works undercover perhaps best. These influk of guys (gals) coming on these boards are just a small part of the [takeover the world] (boards) concept!
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The Jesuit Order
The Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

The complete Oath of Extreme Induction

Library of Congress, Washington D.C., Library of Congress Catalog Card #66-43354, made public in 1883. This oath is still in effect, and is still
used today.
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The Jesuit order, otherwise known as the Society of Jesus (S.J.), has been the military enforcement arm of the Catholic Church since it was first founded by Ignatius of Loyola of Spain in 1534 during the reign of Pope Paul III, ostensibly to combat Protestant heresy. And while many feel that the Jesuits are only a sub-order of the Roman Catholic Church and are merely seekers and disseminators of knowledge, they have a much darker history that many people do not know about.

And while much can be said of the Jesuit Order, and much has been written, the oath speaks not only for itself, but speaks much of the Roman Catholic Church that has used and still uses the Jesuits for it's purposes while knowing full well the contents of the oath they bind themselves under. The Roman Catholic Church, while professing to holiness and claiming that there is no salvation outside of the Church, still harbors the Jesuit Order and commands them explicitly.

Below is the complete Oath of Extreme Induction taken by each Jesuit Priest upon his induction into the command ranks of the Jesuit Order, found in the Library of Congress, Washington D.C., Library of Congress Catalog Card # 66-43354, made public in 1883. This oath is still in effect, and is still used today.

On an interesting note, we often see the letters INRI on crosses and crucifixes, and are told that it represents the Latin words "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudeum" or "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews", the Latin words that Pilate had written on a placard and nailed above Jesus' head at the crucifixion. However, as you will see below, the Jesuits use a far different set of words with the same letters. This invites the question, "Which is the real meaning of the 'I.N.R.I.' that we see displayed today?"


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INDUCTION AND EXTREME OATH OF THE JESUITS

When a Jesuit novice is about to be inducted into the higher levels of the Order, he kneels on a red cross before the Superior of the Order. Before him are two flags, the familiar yellow and white flag of the papacy, and the black flag with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, the flag of the Jesuit Order. On the Jesuit flag is written the words, IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOS. (It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical kings, governments, or rulers.) The Superior of the Order hands the novice a small black crucifix which he presses to his heart, and the Superior then presents to the novice a dagger. The novice grasps the bare blade and presses the point to his heart. The Superior, still holding the hilt of the dagger then speaks to the novice.

Superior
My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among the Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and to descend so low as to become a Jew among the Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.


You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces and states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with your brother Jesuit, who may be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected; only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and in the judiciaries councils of state, and to "be all things to all men," for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as a coadjutor, confessor and priest, but you have not been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work, and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your Order and your allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me.

I, M---------- N----------, Now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and the sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola, in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Viceregent and is the true and only Head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed.

Therefore, to the utmost of my power, I shall and will defend this doctrine and his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority, and all adherents in the regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome.

I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare that the doctrines of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable, and they themselves damned and to be damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of his
Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their
pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume any religion heretical, for the propagating of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents counsels' from time to time, as they may entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred convent.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver, (perinde ac cadaver,) but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and Jesus Christ. That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, without murmuring or repining, and
will be submissive in all things commanded to me.

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, nor sex or condition; and that I will hang, burn, waste, spoil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race.

That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poinard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed to do so by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all of my
coporeal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul to be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever.

All of which I, M------ N------, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed Sacrament, which I am about to receive, to perform and on my part to receive inviolably; and do call all of the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness these my real intentions to keep this my oath.

In testimony hereof I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the
Eucharist, and witness the same further, with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy convent.

Superior
You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism
necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.

In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another make the
ordinary sign of the cross as any Roman Catholic would; then one crosses his wrists, the palms of his hands open, the other crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; then the first with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with his right hand makes the motion of cutting with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first.

The first then says Iustum; the other answers Necar; the first then says Reges. The other answers Impios. The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name JESU will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers.

Q: From where do you come?
A: From the bends of the Jordan, from Calvary, from the Holy Sepulchre, and lastly from Rome.

Q: Whom do you serve?
A: The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q: Who commands you?
A: The successor of St. Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q: Who received you?
A: A venerable man with white hair.

Q: How?
A: With a naked dagger, I kneeling on a cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred Order.

Q: Did you take an oath?
A: I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex or condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my superiors in all things without hesitation or murmuring.

Q: Will you do that?
A: I will.

Q: How do you travel?
A: In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q: Whither do you travel?
A: To the four quarters of the globe.

Q: For what purpose?
A: To obey the orders of my General and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oath.

Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Viceregent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Why yes, our physical bodies do die and become dust (Mary is a separate issue)

Why is Mary a seperate issue?

 

[thessalonian]

Ah, doesn't that library of congress stuff make it sound all official John. You know there is another oath in the LofC from 1913 I believe it was. It's the Knights of Columbus Oath. A congressional committee (The US Congress has been no friend of Catholicism over the years) called that a forgery. Funny thing. It is almost identical to this Jesuit Oath which is a bunch of bunk as well. John, do you believe everything that is bad that you hear about the Catholic Church. Seems so.

Robert Ware is the forger.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14103a.htm

This is just another one of those Christmass loaves of fruitcakes passed around by people like you John when your biblical arguements, which are weak, run out.

Very sad.

God love ya John.

 

[John the Baptist]

Ah, doesn't that library of congress stuff make it sound all official John. You know there is another oath in the LofC from 1913 I believe it was. It's the Knights of Columbus Oath. A congressional committee (The US Congress has been no friend of Catholicism over the years) called that a forgery. Funny thing. It is almost identical to this Jesuit Oath which is a bunch of bunk as well. John, do you believe everything that is bad that you hear about the Catholic Church. Seems so.

Robert Ware is the forger.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14103a.htm

This is just another one of those Christmass loaves of fruitcakes passed around by people like you John when your biblical arguements, which are weak, run out.

Very sad.

God love ya John.

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Bibical arguements??? So far you have rejected all of the Words of God given by the forum here in [your postings]!! The only thing given by you [in person] is 'your' empty Bibles/less talk .

---John

 

[thessalonian]

No John, I've rejected your interpretations of what the Bible says. Big difference.

 

[John the Baptist]

No John, I've rejected your interpretations of what the Bible says. Big difference.

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So be it! It is ones free 'decison' to make. The devil said ye shall not surely die, so Mary is in heaven? Sure sounds brain dead to me.
Whatever?

---John

 

[thessalonian]

No John, I've rejected your interpretations of what the Bible says. Big difference.

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So be it! It is ones free 'decison' to make. The devil said ye shall not surely die, so Mary is in heaven? Sure sounds brain dead to me.
Whatever?

---John

So I am going to hell because I believe Mary is in heaven? :o

John, are you calling me brain dead? Yes. I believe you are. Thought you were above ad hom. Guess not. :roll:

 

[SputnikBoy]

No John, I've rejected your interpretations of what the Bible says. Big difference.

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So be it! It is ones free 'decison' to make. The devil said ye shall not surely die, so Mary is in heaven? Sure sounds brain dead to me.
Whatever?

---John

So I am going to hell because I believe Mary is in heaven? :o

John, are you calling me brain dead? Yes. I believe you are. Thought you were above ad hom. Guess not. :roll:

I've come to the conclusion after all of the months of participation on this forum that no one is better or worse than anyone else. The day I ever condemn someone to hell is the day that I myself will be headed in that direction. I'm not saying that John was implying this of you, thess - I'm sure he wasn't - but I just wanted to make this point of myself.

I may disagree with you and others on certain issues but my intention is never to imply that you and others are bad or unChristian people. I don't believe that for a moment.

 

[John the Baptist]

No John, I've rejected your interpretations of what the Bible says. Big difference.

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So be it! It is ones free 'decision ' to make. The devil said ye shall not surely die, so Mary is in heaven? Sure sounds brain dead to me.
Whatever?

---John

So I am going to hell because I believe Mary is in heaven? :o

John, are you calling me brain dead? Yes. I believe you are. Thought you were above ad hom. Guess not. :roll:

I've come to the conclusion after all of the months of participation on this forum that no one is better or worse than anyone else. The day I ever condemn someone to hell is the day that I myself will be headed in that direction. I'm not saying that John was implying this of you, thess - I'm sure he wasn't - but I just wanted to make this point of myself.

I may disagree with you and others on certain issues but my intention is never to imply that you and others are bad or unChristian people. I don't believe that for a moment.

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It seems that once again 'personalities' are 'switched' for posted issues? My post, again says what??? I will give part of another post, see if anyone can see what takes place? (such as twisting from post subject to a personal side issue)

"The Jesuit order, otherwise known as the Society of Jesus (S.J.), has been the military enforcement arm of the Catholic Church since it was first founded by Ignatius of Loyola of Spain in 1534 during the reign of Pope Paul III, ostensibly to combat Protestant heresy. And while many feel that the Jesuits are only a sub-order of the Roman Catholic Church and are merely seekers and disseminators of knowledge, they have a much darker history that many people do not know about.

And while much can be said of the Jesuit Order, and much has been written, the oath speaks not only for itself, but speaks much of the Roman Catholic Church that has used and still uses the Jesuits for it's purposes while knowing full well the contents of the oath they bind themselves under. The Roman Catholic Church, while professing to holiness and claiming that there is no salvation outside of the Church, still harbors the Jesuit Order and commands them explicitly."
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I am talking of how the devil has always worked! What is NEW GOD ASKS? He says NOTHING!

Talk about where Mary is? Use Scripture that the devil was a Liar from the beginning, and a message comes back that the poster is ----. Talk about hell? and a message charges that the [poster] is telling a 'personal' one going to hell! Talk about [anything?] And the devil has a person used by him diverting, twisting or whatever means it takes to distort. Now, can we know that this is a jesuit tactic, can we read minds? No, nor would we want to! yet, we can & do know what satans tactic's are from Genesis on!

God makes it simple to 'see' in 2 Corinthians 4:1-2 It does not take much light to see this clear content!
"THEREFORE seeing we have received mercy, we faint not; [But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,] not [walking in craftiness, nor handling the Word of God deceitfully]; .."

I see no name recorded here? Yet, I do see how to tell the difference from between a professed christian fold and the one seen in Revelation 3:9 & Revelation 17:1-5.

And inside her Christ has said that HIS PEOPLE must leave, or be lost! Does Christ name these ones? Can we know who they are or who they will be? Are there a Saul still [BLINDLY] yoked in membership there? [ONLY GOD HIMSELF KNOWS!]
Yet, we see all kind of tactics being used by the devil & 'his jesuit tactics' to say that anyone that exposes his fiendish way are they them selves judging [an individual] person.

God has also told of a way to know of individuals themselves, see Titus 3:9-11. But we must understand that 'inside of Rome' Christ has the Revelation 18:4 SECOND DEATH WARNING MESSAGE TO GIVE! And even though we see but few leave who are really Christ 'previously' ignorant people, He expects the message to be given OVER & OVER AGAIN UNTIL these ones all have opportunity to hear!
Got that? Remember, these ones have been brought up from birth many times with satans stuff.
And no matter what, Christ's messenger will be faithful in giving His Revelation 14:6-10 Message or they themselves will be tossed! See Revelation 2:5!

---John

 

[thessalonian]

John,

Your good at rhetoric and black helecopter theories about Jesuits. Perhaps you can show a Jesuit oath with a signature to it of a Jesuit so that we have some evidence beyond your say so that this is something that Jesuits actually sign up for. Perhaps you can site examples of Jesuit priests beheading Protestants? St. Francis Xavier, a Jesuit, converted nearly 1 million people to Christ. If he did it by violence that would be very difficult since he traveled South America and Africa alone.

Have you ever read about St. Ignatius of Loyola? Ever read "Spiritual Excercises"? Apparently not or you would not slander the man and his order as you do. There is one event that occured in his life. A man who was protestant was imprisioned. This man was preaching protestant heresy, inciting anger among the locals. St. Ignatius asked that he be able to take the man in. Some time later the man had converted to Catholicism. His friends thought surely they had decieved him with arguements. He said, no they did not discuss religion with me at all. I converted because of the great love they showed me. The Jesuit are no where near what you paint them out to be. Overall I am not fond of some Jesuits in this country and in South America. But there are many good and holy Jesuit priests, ever heard of Fr. Mitch Paqua, who would not hurt a fly. Of course the kind of inuendo and accusation you post may fly with some of the anti-catholics out there who read them. But they are nonsense.

 

[Vic C.]

LOL, I don't know how we got to talking about the Jesuits, but there was a dark side to Loyola and his Pope loyalists.

They didn't get off to a very good start. They were in part responsible for the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the following murder of Henry III and the attempted assination of Henry IV.

Now I know there is debate on whether of not this was solely Queen Catherine's doings, but... where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

 

[thessalonian]

LOL, I don't know how we got to talking about the Jesuits, but there was a dark side to Loyola and his Pope loyalists.

They didn't get off to a very good start. They were in part responsible for the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the following murder of Henry III and the attempted assination of Henry IV.

Now I know there is debate on whether of not this was solely Queen Catherine's doings, but... where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

Ignaitus had a dark side? How was he involved in the St. Bartholemew's Day Massacre? How were all the Jesuits responsible for the masacre when the source of it was one Jesuit priest encouraging the people to do it? That's like saying all Californians are guilty of murder because of Charles Manson. What part did he have in the murder of Henry III and attempted assination of Henry IV? Does my post say all Jesuits are gentle souls? No. But this broadbrushing of all Jesuits as spies and murders is nothing but prejudice without any study of who Loyola was or what a Jesuit is. Once again I would like to see on signature on a Jesuit oath. John has only done some handwaving about an oath that historians have shown to be a forgery with no proof that any Jesuit ever took such an oath.

 

[John the Baptist]

Whatever??

John himself goes by Revelation 18:4. It does not matter to me if it were Rome & their garbage, or Adventism & their Matthew 23:3 lying profession or the Revelation 17:5 daughters of Rome, if I were in the yoked membership with what I know to be truth, (all documented) Luke 12:47-48 I would be a PARTAKER. There is just no other alternative!

Surely anyone can read the bottom line in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18? You might even read the parallel text in Deuteronomy 7:4, if one believed the Word of God to begin with, and see why God WARNS against this?!

Most of the devils helpers understand the above verse, & know how to go undercover to gain satan's converts! And do you think that big smiles & many converts save souls?? Matthew 23:15 & Matthew 7:22.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Whatever??

John himself goes by Revelation 18:4. It does not matter to me if it were Rome & their garbage, or Adventism & their Matthew 23:3 lying profession or the Revelation 17:5 daughters of Rome, if I were in the yoked membership with what I know to be truth, (all documented) Luke 12:47-48 I would be a PARTAKER. There is just no other alternative!

Surely anyone can read the bottom line in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18? You might even read the parallel text in Deuteronomy 7:4, if one believed the Word of God to begin with, and see why God WARNS against this?!

Most of the devils helpers understand the above verse, & know how to go undercover to gain satan's converts! And do you think that big smiles & many converts save souls?? Matthew 23:15 & Matthew 7:22.

Could you refresh me on your 'Adventism and their Matthew 23:3 lying profession,' John?

 

[John the Baptist]

Mine?

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

John here:
I (deleated? there was no deleate button?) moved this over to the Matt. 4:4 thread under Bible Studies. For it had little to do with the Mary thread.. for most readers anyhow, perhaps? :wink:

 

[SputnikBoy]

??????

That was kind of vicious, John, or Elijah, or whoever. I'm not too sure that I equate such viciousness with Christianity. If you truly believe that someone is wrong in their belief ...then just tell them that. People can be misguided and ARE misguided without their necessarily being evil. We are all here on the same ticket.

As per the above post ...I'm not sure that I follow your line of thought, John. Was that addressed to me in the now as well as guibox in the past? If so, I'm just wondering what I might have done to warrant such a severe rebuke ...assuming that's what it was.

 

[belovedwolfofgod]

is there still something being discussed here, or did this just die?