Mother of Harlots and Abominations

[Jim Parker]

Israel is the only ones who killed the Saints,Prophets,Christ.Stephen and tried to kill Paul.

That doesn't make Israel a whore.

One can only go by what the Bible teaches.

Then

do so.
Israel is still God's chosen people.
Rom 11:26-29
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Also remember Judah(the Jews) and House of Israel(non Jewish) are all Israelis.

Are you talking about modern Israel or the Israel of scripture?

 

[joseph lentz]

That doesn't make Israel a whore.

Then

do so.
Israel is still God's chosen people.
Rom 11:26-29
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Are you talking about modern Israel or the Israel of scripture?

Here is a thought for you.....
1 John 2:22,23
The Jews don't believe Jesus is the Christ

 

[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here is a thought for you.....
1 John 2:22,23
The Jews don't believe Jesus is the Christ

That's true.
But they will.
Ro 11:25-29 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.

When someone does not take all of scripture into consideration with regard to a topic, he regularly ends up with a faulty conclusion.

iakov the fool

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[Corn Pop]

The Mother of Harlots was the Temple in the great city of Jerusalem.

The Temple was turned into a trade centre. The used to trade currency and store it in the temple treasury, and trade animals and merchandice at the temple. Completely violating God's house. Even as Jesus overturned there tables and drove them out for a day.

Im sure the merchants all mourned when the Romans destroyed the great city and temple with fire and as scripture says had become a dwelling place of demons. And all who were made rich through the temple. Very unholy temple.

If God's house was the Temple, then its only a firm conclusion to say Jerusalem is the great city that rules over the Kings of the earth.

Everything about the Mother of Harlots perfectly fits the temple in the great holy city of Jerusalem.

Although the temple was never intended by the romans to be burned, Jesus words dont lie, he said not one stone would be left on another.

 

[Jim Parker]

The Temple was turned into a trade centre. The used to trade currency and store it in the temple treasury, and trade animals and merchandice at the temple.

The money changers changed pagan coins for temple shekels which could be donated to the temple. Coins with images of pagan gods were not acceptable.
Those selling animals were selling animals which had been determined to be perfect and acceptable as sacrifices.
All of the merchandising going on had to do with temple worship.
The problem was (I think) that the merchants were ripping the people off and charging too much for their "perfect" animals and giving a lousy exchange rate for the money and they were doing so with the permission of the temple leaders who, undoubtedly, got their cut of the profit.
To assume that, because of the merchandising of religion, the temple was the "mother of Harlots" is, I believe, too great a reach.
Also, keep in mind that, when John wrote the Revelation, there was no temple. It has been destroyed by the Romans about 20 years earlier.

iakov the fool

 

[Corn Pop]

The money changers changed pagan coins for temple shekels which could be donated to the temple. Coins with images of pagan gods were not acceptable.
Those selling animals were selling animals which had been determined to be perfect and acceptable as sacrifices.
All of the merchandising going on had to do with temple worship.
The problem was (I think) that the merchants were ripping the people off and charging too much for their "perfect" animals and giving a lousy exchange rate for the money and they were doing so with the permission of the temple leaders who, undoubtedly, got their cut of the profit.
To assume that, because of the merchandising of religion, the temple was the "mother of Harlots" is, I believe, too great a reach.
Also, keep in mind that, when John wrote the Revelation, there was no temple. It has been destroyed by the Romans about 20 years earlier.

iakov the fool

We know the woman sits on many waters and the waters are nations and peoples. It can only be the filthy ungodly governing body of each nation that is the mothers little harlots that lives in luxury, all sitting on God's throne, playing God, telling people what they can and cannot do through there man made carnal laws and people worship mans system, even if they don't know it they all worship and obey this filthy world system they have the mark of the Law on there hand and forehead.

And people think Moses gave a heap of laws, he only gave a couple hundred to put everyone in a ball and chain. look at what you live under today, probably a couple hundred thousand, you can barely even fart without breaking the Law because someone might be offended and the Law is going to bring world peace.


And then we have Christ.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross, and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."


Think about it. God put his law and they used to literally walk around babylon with the written law on there hand and forehead as a sign.

"Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads."

"And it shall be for a mark unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt."


"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt"

Christ fulfilled the Law and done away with sin. The new covenant go back to the garden and walk with God. Love God and Love others and if one falls there is the medias who has already taken away the worlds sin. But man still follows the Law and has the mark bound on there hand and forehead.

Look at many nations in this world, if people speak out against there governing authoritys and the Laws they are under and dont worship and follow it, they are persecuted, thrown in prison, or killed.

 

[Jim Parker]

We know the woman sits on many waters

Rev 17:3b ... I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
So she sits on a beast and on seven mountains, but not on many waters.

and the waters are nations and peoples.

Since the notion that she sits on many waters is incorrect, the conclusion, based on that error, is also incorrect.

And people think Moses gave a heap of laws, he only gave a couple hundred to put everyone in a ball and chain.

Moses didn't give any laws.
God gave the law to Moses to teach to the people.
It was not to chain them but to sow them the way to freedom from slavery to sin.

 

[Corn Pop]

So she sits on a beast and on seven mountains, but not on many waters. Since the notion that she sits on many waters is incorrect, the conclusion, based on that error, is also incorrect.

So your denying what the angel said to John that the waters he saw where the prostitute sits are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.?

 

[Corn Pop]

Rev 17:3b ... I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
So she sits on a beast and on seven mountains, but not on many waters.

Since the notion that she sits on many waters is incorrect, the conclusion, based on that error, is also incorrect.

Moses didn't give any laws.
God gave the law to Moses to teach to the people.
It was not to chain them but to sow them the way to freedom from slavery to sin.

Exactly, the Law of God is the serpants fruit. It stings like a scorpion. And the Law brings death as Paul even says the letter killeth , and the Law is a Curse, as scripture says.

People follow the beast. Jehova said he will come as a lion, leopard and bear, and he made all his people literally stick the curse of the Law on there hand and forehead.

God is not evil, but the Law is a curse on all mankind. Thank the Lamb today, the Lamb who took away the sin of the world.

What do you think Jesus accomplished?. What did Jesus do?. What Law do you follow?

Me, I just prefer to walk with God in my heart, thats it, nothing more nothing less and sometimes I stumble, but it dont matter, there is no Law to convict me because I believe in Christs work, mans law might convict me and man might convict me, but not God. Christ has raised us up, he has raised the world up people just need to find the Kingdom within themselves.

Repent, Repent, Repent, because they dont trust and believe in Christ. Repent over and over again because the Law convicts them amd all it does it keep people down, down, down. When Christ raised them Up, Up, Up. If they believe in Christ.

 

[Jim Parker]

So your denying what the angel said to John that the waters he saw where the prostitute sits are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.?

I'm not denying anything.
Please cite the verse(s) that says the prostitute "sits on many waters."
I didn't see it.
Maybe I missed it.

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm not denying anything.
Please cite the verse(s) that says the prostitute "sits on many waters."
I didn't see it.
Maybe I missed it.

Revelation 17:15
"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

Revelation 17:1
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"


I take it these verses say the Mother of Harlots, the Woman, sits on many waters, and the waters are peoples, nations, multitudes and tounges right?

I'm using KJV but other versions either say 'sits on' or 'sits upon' many waters.

 

[Jim Parker]

God is not evil, but the Law is a curse on all mankind.

So you are saying that the Righteous, Merciful, God Who is Love gave a curse to all mankind.
Did I get that right?

That's not what Paul said.
He said:
Rom 7:12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.
Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good.
1Ti 1:8 Now we know that the law is good,

Where does scripture say that the law is a curse?
It says that "all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." (Gal 3:10) but that's not saying that the law ITSELF is a curse. That's saying that people are under a curse if they think they can be saved by keeping the law because nobody can keep all the law all the time and if a person fails to keep even one little bit of the law, he is guilty of violating the whole law and will die because the wages of sin is death. (Ro 6:23)

Paul said the law makes us aware of what sin is.
Rom 7:7a What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet, if it had not been for the law, I should not have known sin.

Paul also says that was what the purpose of the law was; to lead us to Christ.
Gal 3:24 "...the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

But you're saying that the law that teaches us what sin is and brings us to Christ is a curse.

I don't think you got that right.


iakov the fool

 

[Corn Pop]

So you are saying that the Righteous, Merciful, God Who is Love gave a curse to all mankind.
Did I get that right?

That's not what Paul said.
He said:
Rom 7:12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.
Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good.
1Ti 1:8 Now we know that the law is good,

Where does scripture say that the law is a curse?
It says that "all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." (Gal 3:10) but that's not saying that the law ITSELF is a curse. That's saying that people are under a curse if they think they can be saved by keeping the law because nobody can keep all the law all the time and if a person fails to keep even one little bit of the law, he is guilty of violating the whole law and will die because the wages of sin is death. (Ro 6:23)

Paul said the law makes us aware of what sin is.
Rom 7:7a What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet, if it had not been for the law, I should not have known sin.

Paul also says that was what the purpose of the law was; to lead us to Christ.
Gal 3:24 "...the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

But you're saying that the law that teaches us what sin is and brings us to Christ is a curse.

I don't think you got that right.


iakov the fool

Well yea, God did curse Adam amd Eve and the Serpant. The Law is Blessing and Curses.

Is the law a curse?

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."

So people can only do good amd learn from the Law, there is no curse or sin for doing wrong.

 

[Jim Parker]

I take it these verses say the Mother of Harlots, the Woman, sits on many waters, and the waters are peoples, nations, multitudes and tounges right?

Right.
And I did miss those two verses.

I'm using KJV but other versions either say 'sits on' or 'sits upon' many waters.

Yeah. Other versions use modern English which people actually speak instead of Late Middle English which no one speaks anymore.

SO: We have the whore sitting
(1) on many waters which are peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues
(2) on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.(17:3)
and the seven horns are explained as follows: "The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits." (17:9)

Seven mountains could represent the City Rome which is built on seven hills. (or was at the time; it's bigger now.) Rome was the capital of the mighty, pagan, Roman Empire which persecuted the saints and through which was the hub of all commerce in the empire. Rome was sacked multiple times by Germanic tribes a few of centuries after the Revelation was written and when the Empire finally did fall apart under pressure from the Germanic barbarians, commerce and order were early casualties of Rome's fall.

iakov the fool

 

[Jim Parker]

I wish you luck keeping the Law God gave to Moses because you Obviously worship it and think its a blessing and will help you enter the pearly gates.

Please don't try to tell me what I think.
I have posted exactly what I think multiple times and it none of it correlates with that trash.
I have NEVER suggested that I or anyone else should even try to keep the Law of Moses.
I certainly do NOT believe that keeping the law will be any help in attaining eternal life.
If you need help understanding what I write then please ask some one to help you and explain it to you rather than babbling nonsense about what you mistakenly think I think.
OK, Bubba? (That's Low Country for "Brother".)
Thanks.

The Law is based on a false promise to man,

Huh??? Are you saying that God lied??? What are you talking about?
None of God's promises are false.
The promise of the Law was:
Deu 5:33 You shall walk in all the way which the LORD your God has commanded you,
that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land which you shall possess.
and if they kept the law He would bless them but if they broke the law He would curse them.
Then God did exactly what He promised He would do.

Only Christ is the Law and could fullfilled it and God gave a new covenant. The Law is Blessings and Curses. Christ took the curse away. There is no curse for sin. People can only be blessed through the Law.

OK - that doesn't make any sense at all. 2
Christ is not the Law.
The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant.
The Law is blessings and curses. So is the New Covenant; you'll go to hell if you don't participate in the New Covenant.
People who sin still die physically and will continue to do so until kingdom come.
Christ did not take the Law's curse away. He redeemed us from the curse. (Gal 3:13)
People are blessed by God's grace, not through the Law.

you have a nice day.

 

[Corn Pop]

That's a big load of crap.
I have NEVER suggested that I or anyone else should try to keep the Law of Moses.
I certainly do NOT believe that keeping the law will be any help in attaining eternal life.
If you need help understanding what I say then please ask some one to help you rather than telling lies about what I think.
OK, Bubba?
Thanks.

Huh??? Are you saying that God lied??? What do you mean?
None of God's promises are false.
The promise of the Law was:
Deu 5:33 You shall walk in all the way which the LORD your God has commanded you,
that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land which you shall possess.

OK - that doesn't make any sense at all. 2

you have a nice day.

None of God's promises are false? The promise of the Law was:
Deu 5:33 You shall walk in all the way which the LORD your God has commanded you,
that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land which you shall possess.

The Serpant also told Eve she will not die if she eat from the forbiden tree and will live. That was a promise she will live.

The promise of the Law?. Following the Law gets no man to the promised land. Follow my Law and enter the promised land.

Also my appologes I falsely jumped ahead and assumed. Its not like me, I never usually do that so im sorry, I know you never said that. There was no need for me to say that.

 

[Jim Parker]

Is the law a curse?
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."

There are curses IN the law as there are blessings.
That is different from the law BEING a curse.
There is a big difference between "IN" and "BEING."

So people can only do good amd learn from the Law, there is no curse or sin for doing wrong.

Deut 28:20-68 enumerate the curses for not keeping the Law.


iakov the fool

 

[Jim Parker]

None of God's promises are false? The promise of the Law was:
Deu 5:33 You shall walk in all the way which the LORD your God has commanded you,
that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land which you shall possess.

And God kept that promise.

The Serpant also told Eve she will not die if she eat from the forbiden tree and will live.

The serpent is not God and that's a totally different topic.

The promise of the Law?. Following the Law gets no man to the promised land.

Following the Law was not supposed to get them INTO the promised land.
The promise was that:IF the kept the law they would live long and prosper in the promised land.
And as long as the did keep the law, they lived and prospered.

Also my appologes I falsely jumped ahead and assumed. Its not like me, I never usually do that so im sorry, I know you never said that. There was no need for me to say that.

Eh, fuggedabowdid. (New York for "Forget about it.")

iakov the fool