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Motherhood Through Rape

Lewis

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31 states say that that fathers who has raped, and had a child from the person he has raped. Has the same parental rights as the mother. Don't believe me keep reading.

Raped, pregnant and ordeal not over


When I was in law school, my criminal law professor introduced us to the crime of rape by reading us a quote from Lord Chief Justice Sir Matthew Hale, a 17th-century English jurist: "In a rape case it is the victim, not the defendant, who is on trial." It was not merely a history lesson. I had lived it.
While a student in my final year of college, at age 21, I was raped. I have dissected that moment -- the horrifying moment that I became a "victim" -- from every possible angle. I have poked and prodded, examined and re-examined.



Regrettably, I have even suspected myself in a desperate, ultimately futile attempt to understand how I became a victim.
But blaming myself was neither my idea nor my first inclination. I thought such 17th-century notions were long dead. I was wrong. People who did not even know me were quick to comment or speculate on my rape. What were you wearing? Did you scream loudly? Did this occur in public?


'Legitimate rape' reaction, from the Congo to black crickets
As my history lesson said, I found myself on trial, facing the most fierce judge and jury: ignorance.
Eight years after my rape, I find myself on trial against ignorance again. Rep. Todd Akin's recent comments that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy not only flout scientific fact but, for me, cut deeper. Akin has de-legitimized my rape.


You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again.


It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child.


Opinion: Wake up, it's not just Akin
When faced with the choice between a lifetime tethered to her rapist or meaningful legal redress, the answer may be easy, but it is not painless. For the sake of her child, the woman will sacrifice her need to see her once immensely powerful perpetrator humbled by the court.
I know it because I lived it. I went to law school to learn how to stop it.


Having fought this injustice for the past several years, I have come to believe that ignorance is to blame for this legal absence. Opponents argue no woman would ever choose to raise the child she conceived through rape. The only two studies to analyze the choices made by pregnant raped women indicate otherwise -- at least 30% of women who conceive by rape make this choice.
Others argue that no rapist would ever seek parental rights. Not only does my experience and that of others I know prove otherwise, but it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.
Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped.


iReport: 'Rape is rape'
Make no mistake, my efforts and the efforts of others to persuade legislators to pass laws restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape will be directly impacted by Akin's recent comments. Whether these efforts will be helped or hurt, however, depends upon us as a society.
Either we will fight ignorance and take steps to legislate for raped women based upon reason and facts, or we will be led by ignorance and continue to make bad laws. Or fail to make good ones.
 
31 states say that that fathers who has raped, and had a child from the person he has raped. Has the same parental rights as the mother. Don't believe me keep reading.

Raped, pregnant and ordeal not over


When I was in law school, my criminal law professor introduced us to the crime of rape by reading us a quote from Lord Chief Justice Sir Matthew Hale, a 17th-century English jurist: "In a rape case it is the victim, not the defendant, who is on trial." It was not merely a history lesson. I had lived it.
While a student in my final year of college, at age 21, I was raped. I have dissected that moment -- the horrifying moment that I became a "victim" -- from every possible angle. I have poked and prodded, examined and re-examined.



Regrettably, I have even suspected myself in a desperate, ultimately futile attempt to understand how I became a victim.
But blaming myself was neither my idea nor my first inclination. I thought such 17th-century notions were long dead. I was wrong. People who did not even know me were quick to comment or speculate on my rape. What were you wearing? Did you scream loudly? Did this occur in public?


'Legitimate rape' reaction, from the Congo to black crickets
As my history lesson said, I found myself on trial, facing the most fierce judge and jury: ignorance.
Eight years after my rape, I find myself on trial against ignorance again. Rep. Todd Akin's recent comments that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy not only flout scientific fact but, for me, cut deeper. Akin has de-legitimized my rape.


You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again.


It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child.


Opinion: Wake up, it's not just Akin
When faced with the choice between a lifetime tethered to her rapist or meaningful legal redress, the answer may be easy, but it is not painless. For the sake of her child, the woman will sacrifice her need to see her once immensely powerful perpetrator humbled by the court.
I know it because I lived it. I went to law school to learn how to stop it.


Having fought this injustice for the past several years, I have come to believe that ignorance is to blame for this legal absence. Opponents argue no woman would ever choose to raise the child she conceived through rape. The only two studies to analyze the choices made by pregnant raped women indicate otherwise -- at least 30% of women who conceive by rape make this choice.
Others argue that no rapist would ever seek parental rights. Not only does my experience and that of others I know prove otherwise, but it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.
Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped.


iReport: 'Rape is rape'
Make no mistake, my efforts and the efforts of others to persuade legislators to pass laws restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape will be directly impacted by Akin's recent comments. Whether these efforts will be helped or hurt, however, depends upon us as a society.
Either we will fight ignorance and take steps to legislate for raped women based upon reason and facts, or we will be led by ignorance and continue to make bad laws. Or fail to make good ones.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree. I read a book a few years ago where an American woman was raped. She was about 12 or 13 and gave birth to the child. The child grew up into a woman and she wrote a book about it. It was so heartbreaking. Thanks for posting.
 
Legislation should protect the mother, as well as the child, from further abuse by a rapist. But these opinion pieces by CNN a lot more than just comments on legislation concerning parental rights, it's about trying to smear conservatives as a group with the comments of one man. So, if someone wants to debate the merits of parental legislation, fair enough.

But here's the larger context of those CNN opinion pieces; CNN sees it's job as re-electing Obama, so they think any diversion from his miserable record as a failed President will serve as that goal, I guess.

Here's the pro-life opinion on abortion in the case of rape. The child is a human being from conception, completely innocent, and deserving of protection. The violence committed against a women when raped should not be passed on to the child. But it's laughable that our liberal media and their ridiculous talking heads think this kind of obvious smear is going to protect the buffoon in the White House from a well deserved "Hit the road, Jack" message in November, they're in for a surprise. There are no independents on the sidelines trying to make up their minds when it comes to the abortion issue, so all this liberal phoney outrage isn't going to change a single vote.

November 6 is take out the trash day.
 
I do so wish i could rememebr what Dr. Allan Keyes said well enough to post a quote but i can't and could not find it on the net...
He was asked about this subject... One of his remarks was to how fiew the numbers are of pregnancy related rape...
When pushed by the reporter.... he asked if the rapist other children would be murdered.

These baby killers will say and do anything to cover their guilt....
 
Is there a list of the 31 states? I tried the Google machine but can't seem to find anything.

I was completely unaware of this situation. 31!? That makes me so sad.
 
To tell you the truth, I have very mixed feelings about this....

No, not mixed feelings as to whether or not a rapist should be able to claim parental rights.

But, the accusation of rape is very easy to levy at a guy... very easy.

The idea of a bad guy who forces a woman to the ground and rapes her (as Akin would say, "legitimate rape") having full parental rights to any child produced by the act is heinous...

But, what of the woman who regrets having sex with a guy that she's been dating and says, "I told him no"... No meaning then any further sex constitutes rape? Should he be denied his parental rights?

What about contentious divorce situations where custody is on the line and the mother says of her soon to be ex-husband, "He raped me..."?

The idea that rape should automatically disqualify a man from parental rights is based in the idea that a woman would never lie about being raped.... and that just isn't living in reality.

I'm 51 now... and in 51 years I've met four different young women who claimed that they got pregnant via rape. In each case, the "rape" was with a guy she was currently dating. But, since all were Christian girls, and all didn't want to face their families and their church with the fact that they were having sex... very easy to just say, "He raped me." Each of the young men denied the charges and not one of the girls pressed criminal charges. In each case, the young woman later, sometimes much later, admitted that she lied about the rape.

I was reading some articles on this subject and read that Indiana recently struggled with this very issue. It was ultimately decided that the existing laws on paternity, protection orders and child support almost always provide enough legal protections so that a child wouldn't be placed in custody with a rapist.
 
That is a very good point.

I knew a girl at uni who lied about being raped and it resulted in the guy being expelled. She latet admitted to it being a lie. No pregnancy there though.

I wonder how the law works if a woman rapes a man and it results in conception:confused:
 
That is a very good point.

I knew a girl at uni who lied about being raped and it resulted in the guy being expelled. She latet admitted to it being a lie. No pregnancy there though.

I wonder how the law works if a woman rapes a man and it results in conception:confused:

I have heard that women can rape men:sad..but can never understand it...seems so unbelievable..:)
 
I have heard that women can rape men:sad..but can never understand it...seems so unbelievable..:)

Not if you think about statutory rape and pedophilla...

If a 35 year old man were to have sex with a 13 year old girl, resulting in her pregnacy, he would be slammed into prision as a pedophile and all parental rights to the child would be terminated...

Make that a 35 year old woman having sex with a 13 year olf boy... and suddenly, it's "complicated".

I read British newspapers and one in particular seems to have this obsession with Amercian women teachers having sex with male students. We don't hear about it as much in our papers, because it's considered "local news" but I read about several of these cases, each and every week. For some reason, a woman teacher taking sexual advantage of a male student just doesn't seem as harmful as when it's a male teacher and a female student.

I believe it is though... once the boy is older, he'll go through the same issues as when a girl is sexually abused by someone in authority. We need to start taking this issue far more seriously, and yes, if the woman has children, or concieves during the statutory rape of a minor, she should lose all parental rights. She's a pedohile just as bad as Jerry Sandusky.
 
I have heard that women can rape men:sad..but can never understand it...seems so unbelievable..:)

It's actually easier then you might imagine. it's true that the majority of people have a hard time imagining how it could happen.

Some of the cases i've read about include-

- Women who have raped men who were mentally or physically handicapped in some way.

- Of course, some men have been drugged or forced to ingest things like viagra.

-Some women are really much physically stronger than some men.

-Women who rape young boys.

I think most people assume a man is usually stronger and more able to fight off such an attack and that if he did not want to he could not possible become aroused enough to have full intercourse. Drugs and even just being nervous and under duress can cause a man to be erect enough for it to take place.

Very sad. :nono2
 
To tell you the truth, I have very mixed feelings about this....

No, not mixed feelings as to whether or not a rapist should be able to claim parental rights.

But, the accusation of rape is very easy to levy at a guy... very easy.

The idea of a bad guy who forces a woman to the ground and rapes her (as Akin would say, "legitimate rape") having full parental rights to any child produced by the act is heinous...

But, what of the woman who regrets having sex with a guy that she's been dating and says, "I told him no"... No meaning then any further sex constitutes rape? Should he be denied his parental rights?

What about contentious divorce situations where custody is on the line and the mother says of her soon to be ex-husband, "He raped me..."?

The idea that rape should automatically disqualify a man from parental rights is based in the idea that a woman would never lie about being raped.... and that just isn't living in reality.

I'm 51 now... and in 51 years I've met four different young women who claimed that they got pregnant via rape. In each case, the "rape" was with a guy she was currently dating. But, since all were Christian girls, and all didn't want to face their families and their church with the fact that they were having sex... very easy to just say, "He raped me." Each of the young men denied the charges and not one of the girls pressed criminal charges. In each case, the young woman later, sometimes much later, admitted that she lied about the rape.

I was reading some articles on this subject and read that Indiana recently struggled with this very issue. It was ultimately decided that the existing laws on paternity, protection orders and child support almost always provide enough legal protections so that a child wouldn't be placed in custody with a rapist.

I know a woman who was rapped on her honey moon. She came back home talking about divorce and being raped but after talking to her family decided to stay as she was already pregnant before going on the honeymoon.

A few years later she was talking about divorce again and was seeing a marriage consouler and in one of the joint sessions she brought up the rape. This brought her husband to tears as he never knew that the rape had happened.
 
Not if you think about statutory rape and pedophilla...

If a 35 year old man were to have sex with a 13 year old girl, resulting in her pregnacy, he would be slammed into prision as a pedophile and all parental rights to the child would be terminated...

Make that a 35 year old woman having sex with a 13 year olf boy... and suddenly, it's "complicated".

I read British newspapers and one in particular seems to have this obsession with Amercian women teachers having sex with male students. We don't hear about it as much in our papers, because it's considered "local news" but I read about several of these cases, each and every week. For some reason, a woman teacher taking sexual advantage of a male student just doesn't seem as harmful as when it's a male teacher and a female student.

I believe it is though... once the boy is older, he'll go through the same issues as when a girl is sexually abused by someone in authority. We need to start taking this issue far more seriously, and yes, if the woman has children, or concieves during the statutory rape of a minor, she should lose all parental rights. She's a pedohile just as bad as Jerry Sandusky.

Handy I get what you are saying, but I do not understand how a woman can rape a full grown man.:)
 
Not if you think about statutory rape and pedophilla...

If a 35 year old man were to have sex with a 13 year old girl, resulting in her pregnacy, he would be slammed into prision as a pedophile and all parental rights to the child would be terminated...

Make that a 35 year old woman having sex with a 13 year olf boy... and suddenly, it's "complicated".

I read British newspapers and one in particular seems to have this obsession with Amercian women teachers having sex with male students. We don't hear about it as much in our papers, because it's considered "local news" but I read about several of these cases, each and every week. For some reason, a woman teacher taking sexual advantage of a male student just doesn't seem as harmful as when it's a male teacher and a female student.

I believe it is though... once the boy is older, he'll go through the same issues as when a girl is sexually abused by someone in authority. We need to start taking this issue far more seriously, and yes, if the woman has children, or concieves during the statutory rape of a minor, she should lose all parental rights. She's a pedohile just as bad as Jerry Sandusky.

I do not understand why men rape women, it is a known fact that a woman cannot become sexually aroused under duress...maybe that is why some rapists kill their victims. The teacher who sexually molested the 18 year old students. I think there is something wrong there. An 18 year old is not a six year old. Something seems to be missing from some of these reports.
 
See my last post:thumbsup


Alex I have read your last post..and I can understand a grown man raping someone, whether a young woman or a little girl or boy. I just do not understand how an 18 year old who I would assume is a well built young man can allow a teacher to hold him down. As I said something is missing..:)
 
Alex I have read your last post..and I can understand a grown man raping someone, whether a young woman or a little girl or boy. I just do not understand how an 18 year old who I would assume is a well built young man can allow a teacher to hold him down. As I said something is missing..:)


Ah. My bad. :)

I have heard of guys being pratically crippled with fear during their first time with a woman. That maybe one explanation.
:shrug
 
Ah. My bad. :)

I have heard of guys being pratically crippled with fear during their first time with a woman. That maybe one explanation.
:shrug

Would not this have the same effect on a man as a woman who is under duress and is not sexually aroused.:sad
 
Would not this have the same effect on a man as a woman who is under duress and is not sexually aroused.:sad



Actually, it's been shown that stress of varying kinds can cause a man to become erect.
 
I'm not aware of any stories of 18 year old young men being raped by female teachers. It would be an ethics violation on the part of the teacher and she could get fired, but it wouldn't be statutory rape as both are adults.

In the stories that I've been reading, the average age of the victim has been 13-15... much too young to make consensual agreement regarding sex with a much older adult, especially if that adult is an authority figure.

In one case the teacher got a 16 year old boy high on pot, then had sex with him, so not only is it a case of statutory rape, the victim wasn't even sober to make the sex consensual.
 
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