Music instruments in the church?

[Edward]

The book of Psalms was gradually collected and originally in the Hebrew was never named, perhaps due to the great variety of material. It came to be known as Sepher Tehillim (Book of Praises) because most every psalm contains some note of praise to God. The Septuagint uses the Greek word "Psalmoi" as its title for this book. meaning poems sung to the accompaniment of musical instruments. It's also calls it the "Psalterium" (a collection of songs) and this is the basis for the term "Psalter". The Latin title is "Liber Psalmorum" (Book of Psalms)

I've come to know the book of Psalms as the Book of Promises also.

 

[stovebolts]

I have been on both sides of the fence. My husband played the drums in church and while it was beautiful it distracted me from my prayer and mediation which I learned in the Quaker Church I attended. I have experienced both, "Make a joyful noise," and "Be still and know that I am God." I think there is room for both. My personal preference is a silent worship. That is when I feel the real depth of God's word without going through the pastor. That does not mean I don't love a good sermon. I do. I just have my own preference. I have no idea what God refers. I think he likes both since he created them both.

Worship is not an either -or concerning musical instruments. I know many think it's odd not to have a band for service, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with no instruments at all.
I remember the first time I went to the church of Christ and over 300 members were singing acapella. It was beautiful and I fell in love with acapella. It was so clean and the four part harmony had depth and width and the words to the hymns had great meaning, even if I didn't know what a diadim was lol!

 

[jasonc]

Worship is not an either -or concerning musical instruments. I know many think it's odd not to have a band for service, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with no instruments at all.
I remember the first time I went to the church of Christ and over 300 members were singing acapella. It was beautiful and I fell in love with acapella. It was so clean and the four part harmony had depth and width and the words to the hymns had great meaning, even if I didn't know what a diadim was lol!

barber shop quartets without music

 

[stovebolts]

barber shop quartets without music

Ha, a few of the guys had a barber shop quartet! They traveled all over Michigan and Ohio!

 

[jasonc]

Ha, a few of the guys had a barber shop quartet! They traveled all over Michigan and Ohio!

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that gadget thread post of mine with the mystery is from such those can be double direction to triple,and four or five directional ,I have photographed just those .many in great shape .

if I could post the best view of one I would .let me try

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

There are laws that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws for us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood, the poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family, forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants, vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures, injuries and damages, property and property rights, Criminal laws, prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws keep us in line with the will of God that we present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow that light of Christ shines in us and through us as a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.

The verses you cite show Christ took ALL the OT out of the way not by destroying it but took it all out of the way by fulfilling it..fulfill meaning to end, cease. Therefore nothing from the OT authorizes how NT Christians are to worship. Psalms does not justify/authorize the use of IM in the NT church no more than Psalms justifies/authorizes the offering animal sacrifices Psa 66:15.

Again, for the Christian to try and keep both the OT and NT at the same time would be spiritual adultery like the adulteress woman keeping 2 husbands at the same time, Rom 7:1-6

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I and others have already given the scriptures where God wants us to worship and praise Him and scripture says nothing about forbidding musical instruments in the sanctuary.

I will use the word Passover as Easter, even found in the English Bible and never should have been added, is a pagan festival, Just as Christmas being on the 25th of Dec. You can look this up as it is a fascinating study.

Paul gives directions regarding the Lord’s Supper in 1Corinthians 11:23-29. Some have misunderstood verse 26, which says: "As often as ye eat this bread and drink this cup," and interpret it to say "take it as often as you please" But it does not say that! It says "as often" as we observe it, "ye do show the Lord’s death till He come." And Jesus commanded, "This do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me." We do it in remembrance of the Lord’s death as a memorial of His death. And memorials of momentous occasions always are observed annually, once a year, on the anniversary of the event they commemorate.

Jesus instituted this New Testament ordinance on the eve of His death. It was the 14th Abib/Nisan, March/April Hebrew Lunar calendar. He was our Passover, sacrificed for us and He was sacrificed on the same exact day of the year that the Passover lambs always had been slain, Exodus 12:1-6. As the Old Testament Passover commemorated Israel’s deliverance from Egypt, a type of sin, so the New Testament Lord’s Supper is a continuation of the Passover with different emblems commemorates Jesus' death, and our deliverance from sin. Immediately after the last Supper, Jesus and His disciples went out to Gethsemane, where later that night, Judas Iscariot led the bloodthirsty mob who seized Jesus, and led him away to be crucified during the morning of the 14th day of the month of Abib. Matthew 26:1-5.

The Passover is described in Exodus 12 being the 14th of the first month of the new year being Nisan (March April) according to the Jewish Lunar Solar Calendar. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th day of Nisan/April, Exodus 12:6, which begins Thursday after sundown and ends Friday at sundown. Nisan 15 being a Sabbath never changes even if current dates do not match up year after year.


As far as Christmas, Jesus was not born on the 25th of Dec and the roots for that day goes back to pagan festivals. When you study the scriptures, history of the Temple Priest and dates using the Lunar Solar Calendar Jesus was conceived during Chisleu/Chislev/Kislev (Nov/Dec) and born sometime between Ethanim/Tishhri (Sept/Oct).

King David on God's instructions (1 Chr 28:11-13) had divided the sons of Aaron into 24 groups (1 Chr 24:1-4), to setup a schedule by which the Temple of the Lord could be staffed with priests all year round in an orderly manner. After the 24 groups of priests were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence in which each group would serve in the Temple. (1 Chr 24: 7-19).

John the Baptist was born six months before Jesus.

Beginning with the first month, Nisan, in the spring (March-April), the schedule of the priest's courses would result with Zachariah serving during the 10th week of the year. This is because he was a member of the course of Abia (Abijah), the 8th course, and both the Feast of Unleavened Bread (15-21 Nisan) and Pentecost (6 Sivan) would have occurred before his scheduled duty. This places Zachariah administration in the Temple as beginning on the second Sabbath of the third month, Sivan (May-June).

Having completed his Temple service on the third Sabbath of Sivan, Zachariah returned home and soon conceived his son John. So John the Baptist was probably conceived shortly after the third Sabbath of the month of Sivan.



Acts 20:7, the names of those disciples are found in Vs. 4. After the riot in Ephesus, Acts 19:21-41, these disciples laid wait in Asia for Paul to come to preach to them. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

I agree that the assembling can be anywhere, even in this forum, where two or more are gathered in the name of Jesus as He is there in the midst of us as we are not to forsake the assembling. What I was referring to is about the lavishness and traditional rituals of whatever denomination/non-denomination imagines in their mind as it becomes pleasing to man, but not pleasing to the Lord as what they do is not found in the NT Church.

Romans 3:10-19, vs. 10 is a referenced to Psalms 14:1-3; 53:1-3 and vs. 14 a reference to Psalms 10:7 which is about none being righteous as they do not seek God. I don't see how this relates to the Leviticus law.

The book of Psalms was gradually collected and originally in the Hebrew was never named, perhaps due to the great variety of material. It came to be known as Sepher Tehillim (Book of Praises) because most every psalm contains some note of praise to God. The Septuagint uses the Greek word "Psalmoi" as its title for this book. meaning poems sung to the accompaniment of musical instruments. It's also calls it the "Psalterium" (a collection of songs) and this is the basis for the term "Psalter". The Latin title is "Liber Psalmorum" (Book of Psalms)

--It has not been shown from the NT that God has authorized NT Christians to use IM. Thus you continue in vain to find justification for IM from the OT.
--IM does not have to be specifically forbidden for it to be wrong.
--Christmas/Easter have no NT authorization so where do men get the authorization to celebrate them as "Christian" holidays? Man has presumed it upon himself to do so as with using IM without Divine authorization. Not following the Bible is how we end up with 1000's of religious groups and faith when the Bible clearly teaches there is one body and one faith Eph 4:4-5.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Let's take a closer look at this.
John 10:32-33 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.
The Gospel of John: John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?
What is Jesus referring to?
The Scriptures: Psalms 82:6 I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
And where does this derive from?
The Law of Moses: Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
We can go deeper into this if required as it includes Israel and Sinai.
In John 10:34, Jesus is referring to Exodus 7:1 because it was through Moses that great signs and wonders were performed which Pharaoh sought to kill him and the Israelites. This is why Jesus says, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? and his prior discourse was about His sheep who hear his voice. Just like Moses and his flock, the Jews would kill Jesus and Christians. You cannot deny the parallel and if you add in that John writes from the perspective of New Exodus though out his Gospel, this solidifies it.

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The point remains Jesus (and Paul Rom 3:10-18) cite Psalms and call Psalms 'law'.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Show me specifically my error in post 52 or post 54. What you have provided above does not address the categories Jews use within the Bible. We do not call the writings to Timothy the Gospels in the same way the Jews do not call the Psalms the Law of a Moses.

The error the churches of Christ teach is that the entire OT is the Law. This simply is not true.

please address specifically what I have written in post 52 or 54.

The entire OT is "law" and no one has shown otherwise. Again Rom 3:10-19 Paul cites Psalms and Isaiah calling both "law".

Lk 24:44 mentions the law of Moses, prophets and Psalms. Again Paul called Psalms prophet Isaiah Law.

Lk 16:16 refers to the OT as the law and prophests. Psalms was not a prophet book so it must fall under law.

 

[stovebolts]

The entire OT is "law" and no one has shown otherwise. Again Rom 3:10-19 Paul cites Psalms and Isaiah calling both "law".

Simply asserting yourself forcefully does not address that Psalms is and has always been considered Scripture, not Law In the Bible. Again, we do not categorize the letter to the Romans as part of the Gospels even though they contain elements of the Gospels within them. Why then do you insist that Psalms was written by Moses who is accredited as the writer of the Law?

Lk 24:44 mentions the law of Moses, prophets and Psalms. Again Paul called Psalms prophet Isaiah Law.

You misunderstand Paul’s writings, as many do. Peter addresses this because Peter was a Jew and understood Paul’s writing from a Jewish perspective. Again, in Romans Paul shows from scripture (Psalms) that the Law (recorded by Moses) had been broken. I have shown you this twice now.

In Luke 24, Jesus speaks of all three categories the Jews accepted and understood. These three categories were established before Jesus walked the earth and they remain within Jewish teachings today. What I write is common knowledge among the Jews and can be easily verified. It sounds like this is the first time you’ve heard this. Now you know and you have no excuse not to verify it on your own and let go of the errors you have been taught.

Lk 16:16 refers to the OT as the law and prophests. Psalms was not a prophet book so it must fall under law.

Not really. Think of it this way. Think of it as the Bible. Jews today still call those writings the Bible and in their mind, there is no New Testament let alone and Old Testament. The problem with Christians is this. Our Bible has been broken into two main categories. They are the OT and the NT with a clear demarcation. But it’s not that easy.

There was the Sinai Testament that the Jews submitted themselves to, then there is the New Testament spoken by Jeremiah and Ezekiel which Moses foresaw which is realized in Christ. When we partake in the cup, we are affirming this promise.

Are you worried that there will be another flood? I’m not because God made a Testament with Noah and put a rainbow in the sky as a sign of that promise. That rainbow is still visible because God has not made that Testament obsolete.

Are you afraid Jesus will be overthrown as King? I’m not because God made a testament with David that he wouldn’t.

Are you afraid that the church will die? I’m not because God made a testament with Abraham that it wouldn’t.

When we look at the New Testament, it obsoletes the Sinai Testament. It does not obsolete the one with Abraham, Noah or David.

Coming full circle, if I told you to read the gospels and the pastoral epistles, would you understand what books I’m talking about? Would Revelation be included in those writings? When we say law and prophets, we are talking about a specific set of books in the Bible, not every book from Genesis to Malachi. Psalms is considered scripture in the Bible. Psalms is not considered law nor prophets.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Simply asserting yourself forcefully does not address that Psalms is and has always been considered Scripture, not Law In the Bible. Again, we do not categorize the letter to the Romans as part of the Gospels even though they contain elements of the Gospels within them. Why then do you insist that Psalms was written by Moses who is accredited as the writer of the Law?


You misunderstand Paul’s writings, as many do. Peter addresses this because Peter was a Jew and understood Paul’s writing from a Jewish perspective. Again, in Romans Paul shows from scripture (Psalms) the the Law (recorded by Moses) had been broken. I have shown you this twice now.

In a Luke 24, Jesus speaks of all three categories the Jews accepted and understood. These three categories were established before Jesus walked the earth and they remain within Jewish teachings today. What I write is common knowledge among the Jews and can be easily verified. It sounds like this is the first time you’ve heard this. Now you know and you have no excuse not to verify it on your own and let go of the errors you have been taught.


Not really. Think of it this way. Think of it as the Bible. Jews today still call those writings the Bible and in their mind, there is no New Testament let alone and Old Testament. The problem with Christians is this. Our Bible has been broken into two main categories. They are the OT and the NT with a clear demarcation. But it’s not that easy.

There was the Sinai Testament that the Jews submitted themselves to, then there is the New Testament spoken by Jeremiah and Ezekiel which Moses foresaw which is realized in Christ. When we partake in the cup, we are affirming this promise.

Are you worried that there will be another flood? I’m not because God made a Testament with Noah and put a rainbow in the sky as a sign of that promise. That rainbow is still visible because God has not made that Testament obsolete.

Are you afraid Jesus will be overthrown as King? I’m not because God made a testament with David that he wouldn’t.

Are you afraid that the church will die? I’m not because God made a testament with Abraham that it wouldn’t.

When we look at the New Testament, it obsoletes the Sinai Testament. It does not obsolete the one with Abraham, Noah or David.

Coming full circle, if I told you to read the gospels and the pastoral epistles, would you understand what books I’m talking about? Would Revelation be included in those writings? When we say law and prophets, we are talking about a specific set of books in the Bible, not every book from Genesis to Malachi. Psalms is considered scripture in the Bible. Psalms is not considered law nor prophets.

---I have shown you verses where Christ Himself and an inspired Paul called Psalms (and isaiah) "law" and your bias causes you to reject it. I just read the verses again and they still call Psalms law and no man can change that.

---No verse says Christ took all the OT out of the way except for Psalms. Such a verse only exists in men's imagination.

--the NT says the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, Mt 16:18. So no one should worry about the church dying away.

--the phrase "law and prophets" refers to all the OT law and the books of poetry fit within that phrase. Again Jesus Himself called Psalms law but evidently that does not matter with some people. The books of poetry are not part of the NT. You do not want to see the divide between OT and NT for it stands in the way if your IM bias. You are only arguing from personal bias not from a Biblical basis.

--jut because we today can learn things from the OT and the OT gives us examples to learn from does not in any way mean any of the OT is binding upon anyone today.

--Paul says it is sinful for the Christian to go back to the OT law to justify some thing Rom 7:1-6. The 2 husbands in the text represents the 2 laws OT and NT. The first husband the OT the 2nd husband the NT. Christ took the first out of the way so men can be married to His NT without committing spiritual adultery. The books of poetry are not part of the NT they are of the OT that was taken out of the way. Isaiah is as much "law" as Psalms 1 Cor 14:21 as all OT books are "law".

"The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Hebrew Bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings."

Torah / Torah 101 / Mechon Mamre

Explains the concept of Torah and identifies the books of Jewish scriptures and other holy Jewish writings.

www.mechon-mamre.org

Jn 10:34-35 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;" Hence ALL the OT can be called "law", "word of God" and "scripture".

Adam Clarke on Jn 10:34 "Is it not written in your law - The words which our Lord quotes are taken from Psalm 82:6, which shows that, under the word law, our Lord comprised the Jewish sacred writings in general." Adam Clarke was not a member of the church of Christ.

Albert Barnes "In your law - Psalm 82:6. The word “law” here, is used to include the Old Testament." Barnes not a member of the church of Christ.

John Gill "Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law,.... In the law which was given unto them, of which they boasted, and pretended to understand, and interpret, even in Psalm 82:6; for the law includes not only the Pentateuch, but all the books of the Old Testament: it is an observation of one of the Jewish doctors F20....
"with the wise men of blessed memory, it is found in many places that the word law comprehends the Prophets and the Hagiographa.'

Among which last stands the book of Psalms; and this may be confirmed by a passage out of the Talmud F21; it is asked,

"from whence does the resurrection of the dead appear, מן התורה, "out of the law?"'

It is answered,

"as it is said in Psalm 84:4, "Blessed are they that dwell in thy house, they will still praise thee, Selah; they do praise thee", it is not said, but "they will praise thee"; from hence is a proof of the resurrection of the dead, "out of the law".'"

John Gill was not a member of the church of Christ.

 

[stovebolts]

Ernest T. Bass
First, I take no issue with not using musical instruments in worship. Even the Eastern Orthodox do not use musical instruments within their worship setting. I say this because I have no bias against not using them.

Having been a member of the church of Christ for 22 years, I understand the churches bias against using them. I also know the history on how the divide came about directly after the civil war which you must also be aware of.

But none of that is here nor there. What matters is what the Bible says and how we understand those words. I have much to be thankful for in the churches of Christ because we were prompted weekly to read and study, and that is what you and I both have done while within the church of Christ.

How then do we see this issue so vastly different? Why do I see the phrase, law and prophets as two separate sets of writings in the Bible much in the same way that I see the Gospels and the pastoral letters? Why do I only see the Sinai covenant obsolete which was based on the law of Moses while I look outside to see the rainbow knowing God will never flood the world again because he made a covenant that is still binding today?

You see, this has nothing to do with musical instruments. My views were not derived for the purpose of defeating the church of Christ’s argument that using musical instruments in worship is a sin. Rather, I learned these biblical truths because they were obvious.

Here is the problem the way I see it and teaching the men’s class within the church of Christ for many years, I found out some topics are just off limits and must be defended regardless of what the truth is.

In other words, I don’t have any issue with you thinking it’s a sin using musical instruments but I do take issue with you binding that on others. Personally, I’m glad my wife and I are free from those chains and my wife is now leading worship with her guitar at our new church. Her and I are playing our instruments the next two weeks while she opens the congregation in prayer and leads the songs. She feels free and those chains are gone, and I thank God.

 

[stovebolts]

---I have shown you verses where Christ Himself and an inspired Paul called Psalms (and isaiah) "law" and your bias causes you to reject it. I just read the verses again and they still call Psalms law and no man can change that.

No, what you showed me were the words of Jesus and Paul and then tried to tell me that you bias was right that they were talking about the law. This goes against the culture in which Jesus and Paul lived in. In short, I think it’s dangerous to impose our cultural bias into the biblical texts.

---No verse says Christ took all the OT out of the way except for Psalms. Such a verse only exists in men's imagination.

Not sure why your saying this... ya lost me on this one.

--the NT says the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, Mt 16:18. So no one should worry about the church dying away.

That does not negate the covenant / testament with Abraham. If anything, it affirms the covenant with Abraham.

--the phrase "law and prophets" refers to all the OT law and the books of poetry fit within that phrase. Again Jesus Himself called Psalms law but evidently that does not matter with some people. The books of poetry are not part of the NT. You do not want to see the divide between OT and NT for it stands in the way if your IM bias. You are only arguing from personal bias not from a Biblical basis.

Jesus does not call psalms law, not the way I understand it and my reasoning has everything to do with the cultural norms within Judaism during the time of Jesus.
But why do you refer to Psalms as poetry? Why not refer to it as the law. Or, better yet why not call Leviticus poetry?
What I argue from is a bias derived from a very basic cultural understanding of Jewish culture. The church of Christ focus on restoring the church to a first century model, yet ignores the culture in which it was written when it challenges a core doctrine. I find this very strange and counter productive.

--jut because we today can learn things from the OT and the OT gives us examples to learn from does not in any way mean any of the OT is binding upon anyone today.

When you say binding, I assume you mean the mosaic law. I agree. But as a whole, it is a school master which we can learn from. There are many examples of what to do and what you shouldn’t do and how God responds to each situation accordingly.

If you look at the link you provided, it affirms the three major categories you seem to want to ignore.
1. The Law
2. The Scriptures
3. The Prophets

 

[stovebolts]

"The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Hebrew Bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings."

This seems to be the crux of the matter, context... Can you show us all how to decipher the proper context from a Jewish perspective?

When Jesus specifically mentions the law, he is specifically speaking about the first five books. Same goes with Paul. Both Paul and Jesus understand when to speak in broad terms, or specific terms.

Same principal applies to the term Scripture and the term Prophets.

when mentioned individually (law, scripture, prophets) they are to be thought of within their category. If a book is called out specifically, it is associated with its respective category.

for instance, when a Jew mentions the Psalms Specifically, he is speaking about the scriptures. If they mention the law, or Moses, they are referring to Torah. To say Psalms is part of the law is to say it’s contained within the writings of Moses.

 

[for_his_glory]

--It has not been shown from the NT that God has authorized NT Christians to use IM. Thus you continue in vain to find justification for IM from the OT.
--IM does not have to be specifically forbidden for it to be wrong.
--Christmas/Easter have no NT authorization so where do men get the authorization to celebrate them as "Christian" holidays? Man has presumed it upon himself to do so as with using IM without Divine authorization. Not following the Bible is how we end up with 1000's of religious groups and faith when the Bible clearly teaches there is one body and one faith Eph 4:4-5.

You may be interested in knowing that Moses only wrote what is found in Psalms 90 being a prayer of Moses the man of God.

Seventy-three of the Psalms are designated as Davidic: 3-9; 11-32; 34-41; 51-65; 68-70;86; 101; 103; 108-110; 122; 124; 131; 133; and 138-145. David's wide experience as shepherd, musician, warrior, and king (1011-971 B.C.) is reflected in these psalms.

In addition to the seventy-five by David, twelve were by Asaph a priest who headed the service of music: 50; 73-83. Ten were by the sons of Korah, a guild of singers and composers: 42; 44-49; 84; 85; 87. Two were by Solomon, Israel's most powerful king: 72; 127. One was by Herman, a wise man: 88. One was by Ethan, a wise man: 89.

The remaining fifty Psalms are anonymous as some are traditionally attributed to Ezra 1; 2; 10; 33; 43; 66; 67; 71; 91-100; 102; 104-107; 111-121; 123; 125; 126; 128-130; 132; 134-137; and 146-150

2 Samuel 6:5; 2 Chronicles 29:25; Psalms 47:1; 81:1, 2; 135 and 150; Matthew 26:30; Romans 15:9; Acts 16:25; 1 Corinthians 14:15; Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16, 17; Hebrews 2:12; James 5:13 and so many more scriptures is instruction on how we are to praise the Lord in the sanctuary of the Lord. The sons of Korah were singers and composers in the sanctuary of God. It's all about praising and giving glory to God. Throughout the OT we see the use of musical instruments in the sanctuary of the Lord. In the NT we see many singing praises to the Lord, even singing in the Spirit (which I love to do). The NT does not say anything either way about musical instruments, but that does not mean they were not used.

Psalms 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

Why are you so against this when it is scriptural. Just because the NT is silent on using instruments mention in Psalms 150 doesn't mean they were not used as many, in the NT worshipped and sang praises to the Lord.

 

[for_his_glory]

The entire OT is "law" and no one has shown otherwise. Again Rom 3:10-19 Paul cites Psalms and Isaiah calling both "law".

Lk 24:44 mentions the law of Moses, prophets and Psalms. Again Paul called Psalms prophet Isaiah Law.

Lk 16:16 refers to the OT as the law and prophests. Psalms was not a prophet book so it must fall under law.

britannica.com - Biblical literature - Old Testament canon, texts and versions...

The Hebrew Bible is often known among Jews as Tanakh, an acronym derived from the names of its three divisions being Torah (Instruction, or law also called the Pentateuch), Neviium (Prophets) and Ketuvim (Writings).

The Torah contains five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

The Neviim comprise eight books divided into Former Prophets containing the four historical works Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings. (Notice there were no 1st or 2nd Samuel or Kings) The Latter Prophets, the oracular discourses of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the Twelve Minor Prophets, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

The Twelve were all formerly written on a single scroll thus reckond as one book. The Ketuvim consist of religious poetry and wisdom literature, Psalms, Proverbs and Job, a collection known as the Five Megillot (Five Scrolls; i.e., Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes and Esther, which have been grouped together according to the annual cycle of their public reading in the synagogue) and the books of Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah and Chronicles (No 1st or 2nd Chronicles).

You can read more at that website that goes into greater detail.


The whole OT is not law according to the break down I just gave. Psalms has nothing to do with the law as it's about poetry, song and music instruments according to the the Ketuvim. In the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) there is no OT or NT as Jews would not recognize the Bible we use today as many Jewish writings were not added to our Bible.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

All things must be fulfilled as the law being fulfilled in Christ, the prophecies given by the prophets about Christ, and in the Psalms the life and ministry of Christ.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law and the prophets were until John baptized Jesus before His ministry began as a voice from heaven declared this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, Matthew 3:13-17. Jesus came to fulfill the righteousness of the law, Matthew 5:17-20, preaching the kingdom of God as every man pressed in to hear His preaching.

 

[for_his_glory]

I've come to know the book of Psalms as the Book of Promises also.

Especially Psalms 91. I stand on that one for now and in the future.

 

[stovebolts]

for_his_glory
If we use the scriptures as a guide, we see that the law was silent on the matter of musical instruments. However, David, a Prophet of God introduced musical instruments which caused a great uproar, much in the same way the churches of Christ oppose musical instruments.
What we see from God in this matter is he blessed and authorized it's use.

This is why I pressed Ernest on the death of Aaron's sons earlier. Their death had nothing to do with musical instruments. What it had to do with was being drunk and drawing attention to themselves through their appointed positions instead of being sober minded and serving in such a high capacity with the utmost humility giving all praise and glory to YHVH. God desires we worship Him in Spirit and Truth. In other words, Worship should point to God's glory, not our own.

To be fair, being on stage can go to ones head and it can become a production. This is something every musician needs to take caution on, which in this case Aaron's sons serves as an example.

 

[JLB]

300 members were singing acapella. It was beautiful and I fell in love with acapella.

Gotta love acapella.

 

[JLB]

Especially Psalms 91. I stand on that one for now and in the future.

If our dwelling place is the Lord, then no plague or any such thing will come near us, to harm us.



JLB