muslim prayer

[jasoncran]

Who's prayer is ok, his live is ok. Who's live is ok his death is ok. Who's death is ok his grave is ok. Who's grave is ok his dooms day is ok. Who's dooms day is ok he will get to PARADISE (Janat). So do not miss prayers, and remmeber me in your prayers. God Bless you all.

i thought this interesting. i know this men, i hope that he converts. i thought this prayer is interesting and the comments below (which i didnt post) are interesting.

 

[Mujahid Abdullah]

Re: a muslim prayer

Who's prayer is ok, his live is ok. Who's live is ok his death is ok. Who's death is ok his grave is ok. Who's grave is ok his dooms day is ok. Who's dooms day is ok he will get to PARADISE (Janat). So do not miss prayers, and remmeber me in your prayers. God Bless you all.

i thought this interesting. i know this men, i hope that he converts. i thought this prayer is interesting and the comments below (which i didnt post) are interesting.

Did your friend make this prayer up? or did he get it from a book?

 

[jasoncran]

Re: a muslim prayer

Did your friend make this prayer up? or did he get it from a book?

english is his third language. he speaks pashto and dari.

 

[PouringRain]

Re: a muslim prayer

Who's prayer is ok, his live is ok. Who's live is ok his death is ok. Who's death is ok his grave is ok. Who's grave is ok his dooms day is ok. Who's dooms day is ok he will get to PARADISE (Janat). So do not miss prayers, and remmeber me in your prayers. God Bless you all.

i thought this interesting. i know this men, i hope that he converts. i thought this prayer is interesting and the comments below (which i didnt post) are interesting.

Where are the comments that you did not post? Are they on a website we can see?

The above doesn't sound like a prayer, but more like a reason for prayer. This is how I understand what he is saying:

"(The man) whose prayer is good, his life is good. (The man) whose life is good, his death is good. (The man) whose death is good, his grave is good. (The man) whose grave is good, his judgment day is good. (The man) whose judgment day is good, he will get to Paradise (Heaven). So, do not miss prayers, and remember me in your prayers."

The only substitutions I made was "good" for "okay" and "judgment day" for "doomsday". They are acceptable substitutions in English and make more sense out of what he is trying to say.

I agree that it is interesting, and I must say that in many ways I agree with it. A man's prayer life is often a good indicator of his relationship with God. For a good relationship there must be communication and time shared together. This is also why couples who pray together are more likely to stay together-- they are communicating and spending time together in an intimate manner.

Prayer is a condition that is necessary but nor sufficient. Prayer alone is not enough.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: a muslim prayer

on facebook. i dont want to bring him into it. so i choose not to put his names or his friends as they are pakistanis and afghanis.

 

[PouringRain]

Re: a muslim prayer

on facebook. i dont want to bring him into it. so i choose not to put his names or his friends as they are pakistanis and afghanis.

I can understand that. You mentioned some of the comments were interesting. Can you share some of the more interesting ones with us?

 

[jasoncran]

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here they are

Allah accept our prayer inshallah

yeah it is true and you also don't forget us too


sounds a lot like what we do.

 

[Tina]

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Since Muslims are required to pray 5 times a day, I once asked an Indonesian Muslim friend what they pray about during the 5 times. She replied that they pray for their dead relatives - her grandparents, ancestors etc. , asking Allah for mercy upon their souls. It's quite tragic that dead relatives still need to be prayed for by future generations over and over again !

 

[PouringRain]

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Since Muslims are required to pray 5 times a day, I once asked an Indonesian Muslim friend what they pray about during the 5 times. She replied that they pray for their dead relatives - her grandparents, ancestors etc. , asking Allah for mercy upon their souls. It's quite tragic that dead relatives still need to be prayed for by future generations over and over again !

Don't Catholics also pray for the dead? (I am far from expert on Catholicism, so please correct me if I am wrong.)

This site gives the basics of the prayer that muslims pray 5 times, although I am not a fan of the translation here:

How to Perform the Salaat - Islamic Prayer

 

[Tina]

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Don't Catholics also pray for the dead? (I am far from expert on Catholicism, so please correct me if I am wrong.)

No, Catholics do not pray for the dead. They believe that their dead relatives are already saved.

They pray to the dead. There's a difference there .....

 

[PouringRain]

While on the side topic, I recalled while away that Jews also offer a prayer for the dead.

 

[Tina]

There are two types of prayers in Islam
1. is the 5+ obligatory prayers in which Muslims bow and prostrate facing Mecca - These prayers have prescribed wordings which are always the same and are mainly in praise of Allah.

2. is what is called "dua" - you may have seen Muslims doing this by placing their hands in front of them and cupping the palms (as if collecting rain water) - or in some regions, Muslims put the palms of their hands together in the same manner christians do.- In these prayers, one asks Allah for things (blessings, provisions, mercy).

When we pray the 5 daily prayers, we do not pray for the dead, we do not pray for our ancestors. When making dua however, if one chooses to pray for the dead, or ask for a porche, this is all up to the one praying.

The "prayer" that jason posted would fall under the category of Dua.

The dead Muslims dont need our prayers - but, our prayers for them are all we can give them in this world - so out of love for ones dead parents, a person will pray that Allah sends blessings upon them in their grave.

You may have seen me pray for those who no,longer on earth - when I type "(AS)" after a prophets name, I am asking Allah to send peace and blessings upon them.

Do you wear your turban all the time?
The Muslim men in my country do not wear this ...

 

[jasoncran]

While on the side topic, I recalled while away that Jews also offer a prayer for the dead.

the mourner kiddish, only done by the relatives of the decease and with a candle similiar to the ones that catholis use that has the sacred heart on it. the rcc imho borrowed from that tradition.
my grandma did the mourners kiddish for her husband(grandpa) and they in turn for my uncle when he did.Done daily for one yr , the jews have a concept of the purgatory like the catholics do.

 

[theLords]

the mourner kiddish, only done by the relatives of the decease and with a candle similiar to the ones that catholis use that has the sacred heart on it. the rcc imho borrowed from that tradition.
my grandma did the mourners kiddish for her husband(grandpa) and they in turn for my uncle when he did.Done daily for one yr , the jews have a concept of the purgatory like the catholics do.

This reminds me of Jesus being asked if there would be a resurrection of the dead by a sadducee, and He said, "But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."(Mt. 22:31-32)

I think it's sad people get caught up in praying for the dead, but I understand it's a form of self-comfort. The devil confuses people when he can get them to believe that you can pray blessings on the dead. That train of thought leads one to believe that there is hope of salvation after death.

 

[Mike]

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No, Catholics do not pray for the dead. They believe that their dead relatives are already saved.

They pray to the dead. There's a difference there .....

Actually as a former Catholic, I can say for certain that they DO pray FOR the dead. In believing in the existence of purgatory, they pray for them. They also pray TO the dead, believing that they can intercede on their behalf to the Lord.

MA, I have a question about Muslim prayer. Given that you have set times to pray every day, what is the importance of this prayer? What I mean is, can a Muslim who misses his prayer times on a regular basis pray for forgiveness and be forgiven or is their corrective action required on his part? What does your faith say about the Muslim who prays to get right but continues to be inconsistent in this prayer routine? Since you don't have the same Grace as given in the Christian faith, and you have an apparent wealth of works and laws to obey, it would seem the Muslim would have to actively atone for missing these prayer times. I worked with a Muslim who had a reminder pop up on his PC throughout the day, calling him to prayer. He always blew it off. (He told me so. I wasn't just assuming by his actions.)

 

[jasoncran]

in afghanistan it was
0430,0530, 0800 1200 and 1700. and one day of prayer in jumaa.
meaning that they went to hear the iman and pray alot.

 

[Mike]

Your friend who blew off the reminder most likely wasnt blowing off the prayer completely, but just not praying at that moment - for example, if it was the mid-day prayer, the reminder may have gone off anywhere between 11:30 Am - 1:00PM, and the mid-day prayer is still in until maybe 4PM, so he may have been waiting till a braek, or when he got home to pray.

No, that's what I tried to say. He was a "casual Muslim", just as you have "casual Christians". He made it clear that this was of no importance to him. He had the reminder set because "it was the thing to do" (his words - not mine). So, if he missed many prayers over the few years that I worked with him, he would need to try to make all those prayers up to the best of his ability? :o Over the course of a few years (just the ones I worked with him), that would be a lot of prayers to make up! I have to say, I can't imagine how hard it would be to pray at all these set times, and not get into a monotonous routine of just going through the motions.

 

[jasoncran]

ma in afghanistan and in the summer the rises at 0400 aprox and sets at 2200 approx. that's i think why the afhganis do that.

 

[PouringRain]

I have to say, I can't imagine how hard it would be to pray at all these set times, and not get into a monotonous routine of just going through the motions.

Certainly this does happen and is something that I have seen many Muslims confess to struggling with. Muslims are not alone in that struggle. I have heard of many Christians who also confess to all sorts of various atrocities during prayer. Keeping the proper focus and intention during prayer is something I believe is not limited to a single religion.

 

[Mike]

Certainly this does happen and is something that I have seen many Muslims confess to struggling with. Muslims are not alone in that struggle. I have heard of many Christians who also confess to all sorts of various atrocities during prayer. Keeping the proper focus and intention during prayer is something I believe is not limited to a single religion.

A Christian's prayer life is personal. With no set time to pray, it's on the Christian to respond when he/she feels led to be in prayer. If they're "going through the motions" or not in regular prayer, that's something they need to get right with God on - not their religion. But the freedom that it's on us and not dictated when and which direction we are facing separates us in this regard. If anything like this is required on a schedule, it has got to lead to more "mailing in the prayer" than when it is freely done by the individual. And we are confident that when we go to prayer, confess that we have not been opening our hearts to Him, we are forgiven, and there is no other action required to make up for past omissions or heartless prayer. We live Forgiven. This is a huge difference. :yes