Muslim woman threatened for leading prayer

[Gary]

Muhammad's wives, concubines and slaves

amazing how much little knowledge you have of Mohammad pbuh. He did not even marry a Jew, nor had cuncubines, he had no slaves and yes he did MARRY A CHRISTIAN in his time, but she entered into Islam, her name was Maria.

I will teach you.......

Here is a list of wives of Mohammed by the Muslim scholar Ali Dashti.

1. Khadija bint Khuwailid - died first
2. Sawda/Sauda bint Zam’a
3. 'Aisha/Aesha/’A’ishah - 9 yrs old, second wife
4. Omm/’Umm Salama
5. Hafsa/Hafsah
6. Zaynab/Zainab of Jahsh
7. Jowayriya/Juwairiyya bint Harith
8. Omm Habiba
9. Safiya/Safiyya bint Huyai/Huyayy bint Akhtab
10. Maymuna/Maimuna of Hareth
11. Fatima/Fatema/Fatimah (briefly)
12. Hend/Hind
13. Asma of Saba
14. Zaynab of Khozayma
15. Habla
16. Asma of Noman / bint al-Nu’man

Slaves / concubines

17. Mary the Christian/Copt
18. Rayhana/Raihana/Rayhanah bint Zayd/Zaid

Uncertain relationship

19. Omm Sharik
20. Maymuna/Maimuna (slave girl?)
21. Zaynab/Zainab 3rd
22. Khawla

(Ali Dashti may have missed other possible wives!)

Mohammed married 15 women and consummated his marriages with 13. (al-Tabari vol.9 p.126-127)

Mary/Mariya the Copt/Christian was a wife [concubine] of the Holy Prophet according to Sahih Muslim vol.4 footnote p.2835. p.1351. Mary the Copt gave birth to Mohammed’s son Ibrahim in al-Tabari vol.9 p.39. He died when he was two years old. The Muslim emissary Hatib b. Abi Balta’ah returned from al-Muqawqis [Egypt] with Mariya [Mary the Copt], her sister Sirin, a female mule, sets of garments, and a eunuch. Hatib invited them to become Muslims, and the two women did so [according to Tabari]. Mariyah was beautiful, and Mohammed sent her sister Sirin to Hassan b. Thabit. Sirin and Hassan were the parents of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Hassan. al-Tabari vol.8 p.66,131.

It was claimed that Mary became a Muslim, but Mohammed still kept her as a slave rather than a regular wife. al-Tabari vol.39 p.194

Rayhana/Raihana/Rayhanah bint Zaid/Zayd was a Jewish captive from the Quraiza tribe. Mohammed offered to make her a wife instead of a slave, but she decline and remained Jewish according to al-Tabari vol.8 p.39. See also al-Tabari vol.9 p.137. However, the source in al-Tabari vol.39 p.164-165 says Mohammed set her free and then married her.

Mohammed had two concubines: Mariya bint Sham’un the Copt, and Rayhanah bint Zayd al-Quraziyyah of the Banu al-Nadir. al-Tabari vol.9 p.141. Mariya was an um walid of Mohammed according to al-Tabari vol.13 p.58.

Slaves (Women of Muhammed’s Right Hand)

"…abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess - for (in their case) they are free from blame," Sura 23:5-6. See also Sura 4:24

"He [Mohammed] replied, ‘Conceal your private parts except from your wife and from whom your right hands possess (slave-girls).’" Abu Dawud vol.3:4006 p.1123

Abu Dawud vol.3:4443-4445 p.1244 shows that having sex with a slave-girl a man owns is OK, but a man will be flogged for having sex with his wife’s slave-girl.

As was typical of wealthy Arab men, Mohammed had a few slave girls too. See Bukhari vol.7:274 p.210.

Salmah for was a maid-servant of Mohammed. Abu Dawud vol.3:3849 p.1084

Maimuna was the freed slave girl of Mohammed. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3:2531 p.514; Abu Dawud vol.1:457 p.118

Mohammed briefly had a "very beautiful" captive before he gave her to Mahmiyah b. Jaz’ al-Zubaydi. al-Tabari vol.8 p.151

One of the slave girls belonging to Mohammed house committed fornication with someone else. It is the "someone else" part that was a problem. Abu Dawud vol.3:4458 p.1249

Mohammed called a black slave-girl to come and conceal Abu Dharr behind a curtain while he was taking a bath. Abu Dawud vol.1:332 p.87

Mention Umm Ayman (=Barakah), a client (slave-girl) of the prophet. al-Tabari vol.39 p.287

:o :o :o

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LET ME CORRECT YOU AGAIN... Fatimah raaha was his daughter and not his wife in your list....and your list IS FAULTY....PLEASE STOP THIS FOOLISHNESS!

IS IT THAT YOU LOVE TO TELL LIES?... must I prove you wrong all the time?

Again, you incorrectly accuse me of lies. In fact, the opposite is true. You post WITHOUT references. I give references. Again I will prove that you know very little about your prophet and his marriages/slaves/concubines:

Wife 11. Fatima/Fatema/Fatimah was mentioned by ‘Ali Dashti. al-Tabari vol.9 p.39 states that Mohammed briefly married Fatimah bint al-Dahhak bin Sufyan (also called al-Kilabiyyah).

Mohammed married Fatimah bint. Shurayh/Sara’. al-Tabari vol.9 p.139. It is unclear if Shuray and al-Dahhak were two different people, making this two Fatimas, or they were alternate names for the same father.

Mention of Fatimah bin al-Dahhabi, Aliya bint Zahyah, Sana bint Sufyan al-Tabari vol.39 p.186

Mohammed consummated his marriage with "the Kilabiyyah". This would be Fatimah bint al-Dahhak bin Sufyan or ‘Aliyah bint Zabyan bin ‘Amr bin ‘Awf or Sana bint Sufyan bin ‘Awf. al-Tabari vol.39 p.187

Fatima, Mohammed’s daughter is different. The following could be Mohammed’s wife, but was probably his daughter. In the year of the conquest of Mecca, Fatima screened Mohammed. Ibn-i-Majah vol.1:465 p.255 and Sunan Nasa’i vol.1 no.228 p.224; vol.1 no.417 p.307

A Fatima screened Mohammed while he was bathing in Bukhari vol.1:278 p.170-171. However, Mohammed was taking a bath and was screened by his daughter Fatima in Bukhari vol.4:396 p.263. Fatima was Mohammed's daughter and the wife of 'Ali in Bukhari vol.3:302 p.171; Bukhari vol.4:325 p.208.

Mohammed did not want ‘Ali to marry anyone else besides his daughter Fatima. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3:1998-1999 p.202-204. However, ‘Ali later had a captive slave girl, the daughter of Rab’iah, who bore him a daughter name Umm Ruqayyah. al-Tabari vol.11 p.66.

Now if you again post, please give references or your posts will again be shown to be worthless and simple propaganda.

:o :o

 

[hopefearmercy]

who is this person?

Hello again,

I will not post a reply to this unless you tell me who was this person you are claiming to be a scholar....is useless unless you tell me your sources and who they are and where they studied and are trusted by highly respected scholars of Islam....to debate with an unknown source to me is not in my book.

thanks

hopefearmercy

 

[Gary]

I have given you references to all I have posted. You have STILL not offered a single reference.

Go and look up the references I have already given you.... and in future, post your references please.

 

[Guest]

Gary

How dare you say that .



I am sorry to tell you this but Where ever your getting your islamic information from IS totally False and not Correct .


If you want to post something islamic YOU must Make sure it's correct.

None of those names you mentioned is a Muslim scholar .!

They might claim .

But the top muslims scholars living are now in Saudi arabia in MADINA

 

[Gary]

Re: Gary

None of those names you mentioned is a Muslim scholar .!

I have quoted al-Tabari and Ali Dashti. Ask one of your "scholars" who al-Tabari and Ali Dashti are.

I have also quoted Abu Dawud and Bukhari. Again, ask your "scholars" who they were if you are unsure.

:-?

 

[Guest]

hey man i know who Al tabari is .



But the Book you have read.

is it authenticated by Correct authentic muslim scholars

 

[hopefearmercy]

you are not telling the truth...and you tend to proud of it.

I have corrected Gary on HIS versions of BUKHARI...which were totally misconstrued....things left out, PERHAPS ON PURPOSE TO MISLEAD. I refuse to go any further with that post for Gary, you are not being HONEST in your findings.

We as MUSLIMS...who have knowledge and can be easily accessable to it, tend TO KNOW MORE THAN YOU.

so please quit with your misleadings for they are not substantiated by Muslim Scholars....you misquote and mislead and do not tell the truth about Islam.

hopefearmercy

 

[Gary]

I have quoted extensively from al-Tabari and Ali Dashti. I have also quoted Abu Dawud and Bukhari; all of them are respected Islamic sources.

YOU have yet to quote a SINGLE Islamic source.

Secondly, I have shown you wrong about Muhammad and his wives and concubines and slaves using ISLAMIC sources! You have offered nothing with references in response.

I have proven you wrong about Wife 11. Fatima/Fatema/Fatimah using Islamic sources.

So why can't you admit you have been wrong?

As for your claim about me misquoting the Hadith, again I showed that your accusation was incorrect.
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 607#185607

:roll: :roll:

 

[DivineNames]

Re: was wonderin when you would get to this one

Aisha was not forced into this marriage....nor was she raped and molested...for she grew up and was handled with the utmost delicacy by a prophet of God....unlike what the Bible teaches.

A little girl can't "consent" to marriage.

A man that old "marrying" and having sex with a little girl... it does look perverted.

 

[DivineNames]

hey man i know who Al tabari is .



But the Book you have read.

is it authenticated by Correct authentic muslim scholars

How much of what you say about Jesus and the Bible is "authenticated" by Christian theologians and Bible scholars ??


hypocrite !!



Secondly, if all you can say in response to points made, is to go on about how it isn't "authenticated" or whatever, then you obviously can't answer the point and are just talking rubbish.

 

[bibleberean]

The Death of a Muslim Woman [Excerpts]

From the Berean Call email

http://thebereancall.org/default.aspx

In the past four months, six Muslim women living in Berlin have been
brutally murdered by family members. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity. How can such a horrific and shockingly archaic practice be flourishing in the heart of Europe? The deaths have sparked momentary outrage, but will they change the grim reality for Muslim women?

Hatin Surucu just wanted to live her own life. Instead, she became Berlin's
latest victim of honor killings. Her Turkish Muslim brothers allegedly
gunned her down for adopting Western ways.

Hatin's crime, it appears, was the desire to lead a normal life in her
family's adopted land. The vivacious 23-year-old beauty, who was raised in Berlin, divorced the Turkish cousin she was forced to marry at age 16. She also discarded her Islamic head scarf, enrolled in a technical school where she was training to become an electrician and began dating German men.

For her family, such behavior represented the ultimate shame -- the embrace of "corrupt" Western ways. Days after the crime, police arrested her three brothers, ages 25, 24 and 18. The youngest of the three allegedly bragged to his girlfriend about the Feb. 7 killing. At her funeral, Hakin's Turkish-Kurdish parents draped their only daughter's casket in verses from the Koran and buried her according to Muslim tradition. Absent of course,were the brothers, who were in jail.

Precise statistics on how many women die every year in such honor killings are hard to come by, as many crimes are never reported, said Myria Boehmecke of the Tuebingen-based women's group Terre des Femmes which, among other things, tries to protect Muslim girls and women from oppressive families.

The Turkish women's organization Papatya has documented 40 instances of honor killings in Germany since 1996.

In many cases, fathers -- and sometimes even mothers -- single out their
youngest son to do the killing, Boehmecke said, "because they know minors will get lighter sentences from German judges."

The November murder in neighboring Holland of filmmaker Theo van Gogh -- who was shot and stabbed to death by an Islamic extremist angry over his depiction of the violence inflicted on Muslim women in forced marriages -- galvanized the Netherlands and sent shock waves across Europe. As a result, Germans, too, began to take a second look at the 3.2 million immigrants -- 2.5 million of whom are Turkish -- living among them and to talk about the serious flaws of the nation's 1960's immigration policies. The program brought thousands of Turkish workers to Germany, but provided no real means of integrating the Muslim Turks or helping them understand Western concepts like individualism, human rights and equality. Now, Cileli said, perhaps, honor killings and other horrors experienced by Muslim women will finally be given the scrutiny they have long deserved (Jody K. Biehl, Spiegel Online -
March 2, 2005, Berlin).

 

[Relic]

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It appears that Muslim's aren't allowed to question their religion.

They have no freedom to do so. It appears they are not a free people, they are living under tyranny and are not allowed to think for themselves.

To even speak in a positive way about another religion or to speak out against their own religion, is likely to get punishment if they are caught doing so.

I am surprised that muslims come onto this board. It appears they are not here to learn about Jesus but to only try and tell us their religion is the way of life to follow. It would be considered treason and blasphemy for them to discuss the truth of christianity. It appears women are especially under threat if they get caught. So, I am surprised that some who say they are living in an Arabic country are even allowed to visit a Christian web forum.
I wonder why they even come on these boards, they have no interest in learning about what Jesus taught about the salvation from sin. That would be like asking to be publically hung or executed.
There is a way out through Jesus Chrsit, but they are not allowed to get out. They will get executed or hung in public.

You call that freedom of choice, If you are not even allowed to think for your self and constantly having to worry about saying the wrong things? :o

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Here are some an excerpts from an article I read at this site:
http://muslim-canada.org/APOSNOFR.HTM

Note: the excerpts are in itallic font :

...Sometimes the motive of discipline is found underlying an obligation and practice which is apparently superfluous. ...

Adhab (= torment, suffering, punishment)
“The punishment is considered in Muslim law either as the right of God (hakk Allah) or as the private right of man (hakk adami). In the latter case, the punishment is applied only at the desire of the injured party (or of the latter’s relatives or heirs). The punishment, e.g. retaliation, is inflicted upon the culprit as the personal right of the plaintiff.

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Christians are taught the words of Jesus, He says, when we pray we are to ask for forgiveness of trespasses as we for give those who trespass against us and to lead us NOT into temptation but to deliver us from evil.

Matthew 6:9-15
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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Chapter VIII section 4.

VIII. Some Pertinent Issues
4. Severity and Harshness of Islamic Punishment?

... We are obliged to our thoughtful correspondent for pinpointing the need for information on the Islamic Law of Blasphemy and Apostasy. We have tried to cover almost all the points of his letter which in effect are used as our parameters for discussion of the subject matter.

I. Dictionary of Islam (1)
by T.P. Hughes:

The following definitions are important for our discussion:

Blasphemy - "(Kufr) 'to hide' (the truth).

It includes a denial of any of the essential principles of Islam.

A Muslim convicted of blasphemy is sentenced to death in Muhammadan countries."

According to Webster's Dictionary(2)"contemptuous and irreverent speech about God or kings regarded as sacred."

Apostasy - "According to Muslim Law, a male apostate, or murtadd, is liable to be put to death if he continue obstinate in his error; a female apostate is not subject to capital punishment, but she may be kept in confinement until she recant. ...

... If a boy under age apostatize, he is not to be put to death, but to be imprisoned until he come to full age, when, if he continues in the state of unbelief, he must be put to death. Neither lunatics nor drunkards are held to be responsible for their apostasy from Islam. ...

... The will of a male apostate is not valid, but that of a female apostate is valid. ...

... Ikrimah relates that some apostates were brought to the Khalifa Ali, and he burnt them alive; but Ibn Abbas heard of it and said that the Khalifa had not acted rightly, for the Prophet had said "Punish not with God's punishment (i.e., fire), but whosoever changes his religion, kill him with the sword." ...

... Apostasy - Returning to Webster's dictionary this time for a definition of Apostasy and Treason: - "the public abandoning of a religious faith, esp. Christianity, for another; a similar abandonment of a doctrine or party." 'Treason is' defined: "not only as an attempt to overthrow by illegal means, the government to which a person owes allegiance, the act or attempted act of working for the enemies of the State, and attempt to kill or injure the sovereign, but also betrayal of trust, disloyalty (to a cause, friend, etc.)." ...


... In the Qur'an, God's punishment for Irtidad is only in the afterlife [life in the next world] (Sura 16:106, ff.; 3:86 ff.; 2:217), although one who repents, not having become confirmed in apostasy, will be saved. ...


It appears to me, like tyranny :-? Not allowing anyone to leave a religion or they will be put to death. :o


... In the Prophetic Tradition, apostasy is punishable by death, a view which is upheld and detailed in both the Sunnite and Shi'ite law books.(4) However, the offender is usually granted an opportunity to recant. Only adult, sane, male apostates who have acted freely are to be executed (traditionally by the sword). Women are either imprisoned until they recant (Hannafites and Shi'ites) or are executed (Malikites, Shafi'ites, and Hanbalites). ...

Seems to me, they are forcing people to either submit or they will be put to death or kept in jail until they do. In other words they have no freedom to leave the religion if they wanted to do so. :-?

True Christians don't force people into any religion. True Christianity is against organized religion that is dictated by the doctrines of tyrant leaders. Jesus teaches freedom from the dictates of pharasees (religious leaders who set their own doctrines).


... The death penalty is rarely carried out today, but there remains a powerful sense of outrage among Muslims when one of their number forsakes the community. ...

Well, from reading the latest news reports, it seems to me they are STILL continuing with the death penalties on a regular basis. It may not be for apostacy but it is still being done regularly. At least 109 persons have been either publicly hanged or sentenced to death in Iran since January 2005
Here are just some of the news reports:
Rare Video Footage of Public Hanging in Iran & Recent Human Rights Watch Report Under Scrutiny 7 Jun 2005
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2316

That web site is full of regular incidences of public hangings and stories of arresting women journalists for speaking out against any authorities . They are not allowed to speak out against wrong doing!
Iran journalist sentenced to 3 months in prison 22 Jun 2005
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2560

Here's a really bizarre one!
Iran: Man sentenced to have eyes gouged out for teenage crime he committed 16 years ago! 10 Jun 2005
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2345

Most of the reportss for the month of June , on that web site, are about public executions and hangings! Just go back a few pages on the site and you will see all the public executions they are doing!
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=5


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How can any nation be freed from and healed from commiting to iniquities if they are constantly being held under the rule of tyranny and oppressive conditions. No freedom to being able to speak out against it or do anything about it?
The authorities leave barely any room for repentance and forgiveness from sins. The insist on submission to their form of "religion" that promotes public beheadings and hangings and mutilations. They'll execute you or cut of a body part if you commit a crime.

I suppose they don't listen to the words of Jesus when He says to forgive 70x 7 times. They say Jesus was a great prophet but do they give His words any mind? They would rather listen to a leader that tells them to kill people by beheading them and hanging them in public or mutilate them or to hold them in prison for apostacy until the recant? That could mean the person either stays in jail for the rest of their life, or they get executed, IF they don't recant.
They have NO FREEDOM of thinking for themselves. :o

They can't even speak out against the authorities that are in the wrong. :o

Here is a news report from 1994 about a young girl of 16 who was hung in public , apparently for speaking to sharply. Not becuase of the crime she did, but becuase the leaders didnt' like her sharp words.

Girl, 16, hanged in public in Iran Fri. 20 Aug 2004

Iran Focus

On Sunday, August 15, a 16-year-old girl in the town of Neka, northern Iran, was executed. Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street off Rah Ahan Street at the city center.

The sentence was issued by the head of Neka’s Justice Department and subsequently upheld by the mullahs’ Supreme Court and carried out with the approval of Judiciary Chief Mahmoud Shahroudi.

In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims.

The judge personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not execution but he had her executed for her “sharp tongueâ€Â.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=80

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A Closing Prayer


In the Words of Jesus...

Matthew 6:9-15
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


We need to pray for these people to come to know the love and forgiveness of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

That would be a healing miracle! A miracle healing of a nation! To know how to come to Christ Jesus without killing and mutilating each other!

Pray for world peace though the mercy of His saving grace, not through hate and malice!

Only God can remove the iniquity from out of a nation!
Pray for His mercy and saving grace to enlighten the minds of the people on this earth!

Stop the slaughtering of people!

God help US have your peace and love in our daily walk!
Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us!

Pray for World Peace!

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[Relic]

What should happen to someone who gives up Islam? (Apostasy)
Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " source: http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/hadith/

I thought the muslims claim they worship the same God that we Christians do, The God who created the heavens and the earth. The God who created everything.


And they think it is proper to kill people for leaving the religion? :o

Those actions are Uncivilized and barbaric! They be-head people in public as if they were livestock! How utterly disgraceful! I don't care what kind of lessons they are trying to prove! That is despicable! They say their religion is their government. And they want religious leaders?
How in the world is killing people in public according to their religious beliefs being in the Grace of God? How in the world is that giving honor to the great prophet Jesus? They say they honor all the prophets? Well, they are not even paying attention to anything Jesus said! And they are not even paying attention to the rest of the prophets they say they honor. According the the article on this web site: http://www.geocities.com/ayu1111/25prophets.htm


There are 25 prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an, although Muslims believe that there were many more in different times and places. Among the prophets that Muslims honor are:

Qur'anic Name
Biblical Name

Adam
Adam

Idris
Enoch

Nuh
Noah

Hud
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Salih
Salih

Ibrahim
Abraham

Isma'il
Ishmael

Ishaq
Isaac

Lut
Lot

Ya'qub
Jacob

Yusuf
Joseph

Shu'aib
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Ayyub
Job

Musa
Moses

Harun
Aaron

Dhu'l-kifl
Ezekiel

Dawud
David

Sulaiman
Solomon

Ilias
Elias

Al-Yasa
Elisha

Yunus
Jonah

Zakariyya
Zechariah

Yahya
John

'Isa
Jesus

Muhammad
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Peace be upon all of the prophets of God, and may we all learn from their teachings and follow the straight path.


Muslims believe in One Almighty Creator, Who is Omnipotent, Compassionate, and Merciful. In His mercy, He sends guidance to mankind on how to properly worship Him and live our lives.

Islam teaches that God sends prophets to the nations, in different times and different places, to communicate His message. Since the beginning of time, God has sent His guidance through these chosen people. They were human beings who walked among their people and taught them about faith in One Almighty God, and how to walk on the path of righteousness. The Qur'an says that "The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)

All prophets, peace be upon them all, gave guidance and instruction to their people about how to properly worship God and live their lives. Since God is One, His message has been one and the same throughout time. In essence, all prophets taught the message of Islam - to find peace in your life through submission to the One Almighty Creator -- to believe in God and to follow His guidance.



It appears to me they are not living in honor to any of these prophets!

How do they honor the prophets? In what way? By ignoring everything David wrote in the Psalms? By ignoring everything Jesus said during his life on earth? By ignoring everything the Prophets said? Don't they even put together what the prophets were talking about? Putting people to death as a public display IS NOT the way to the straight path.

David repented of his sins and looked to God to follow his ways, and Jesus quoted from the Old Testament written and spoken word and rebuked the pharasees who made their own doctrines. Jesus taught on how to follow the straight path, and these muslim leaders and judges, these people who are in authority, ignore his teachings, while they are saying in their own books that they honor the prophets. :o What kind of a crock is that :-?




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[Relic]

Women are deficient in intelligence
Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:


Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/hadith/#INTELLIGENCE

:o :-?


Don't buy it!


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[Gary]

Having worked with many highly intelligent women (with lots more brains and common sense than me!) and having known and loved a wonderful woman for over 25 years... I know that Muhammad was wrong!

:wink:

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Re: was wonderin when you would get to this one

I was just wondering when you were gonna get around to this one lool...didn't take long did it. loooool

Let me first of all CORRECT YOU...in this matter....The way you put it is a very degrading way and a disrespectful way. ...

THEY WERE MARRIED....first of all and it was not the way you are making it sound.

It really does not matter if a pedophile marries his victims. He is still a pedophile.

 

[Allah's slave]

Hold on a second Lyric's Dad.
How old was the Virgin Mary when she gave birth to Jesus (saw)?

Women at the time were getting married once they reached puberty. You cannot take something that happened 1400 yearsago and apply it to today's context. It's utter nonsense and will only lead to misconceptions. Something that you have stooped to.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Hold on a second Lyric's Dad.
How old was the Virgin Mary when she gave birth to Jesus (saw)?

Women at the time were getting married once they reached puberty. You cannot take something that happened 1400 yearsago and apply it to today's context. It's utter nonsense and will only lead to misconceptions. Something that you have stooped to.

Two problems here.

One, Mary and God did not have sex.

Two, muhammed had one that was NINE years old. I don't care where you live, that is SICK! That is truly the mark of a pedophile.

 

[Gary]

Women at the time were getting married once they reached puberty. You cannot take something that happened 1400 years ago and apply it to today's context. It's utter nonsense and will only lead to misconceptions.

Actually, it was the prophet of Islam who claimed....

• "...If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)..." (Sura 3:31).
  
  "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).

So you now say that having sex with a 9 year old child is NOT what you would follow nor is it a "beautiful pattern of (conduct)".

Do you need to take those verses out of the Quran now?

:o :o

 

[Allah's slave]

[quote="Allah's slave":c632f]Hold on a second Lyric's Dad.
How old was the Virgin Mary when she gave birth to Jesus (saw)?

Women at the time were getting married once they reached puberty. You cannot take something that happened 1400 yearsago and apply it to today's context. It's utter nonsense and will only lead to misconceptions. Something that you have stooped to.

Two problems here.

One, Mary and God did not have sex.

Two, muhammed had one that was NINE years old. I don't care where you live, that is SICK! That is truly the mark of a pedophile.[/quote:c632f]Again, you are letting your bias thoughts cloud your mind. If this was 1 AD or 600 AD you would have no problem with people marrying 9 year olds. It was common back then. Times have changed and now you're taking it out of context. The example of the Virgin Mary was not to show you that she had sex or anything. I know she is pure. As a matter of fact, she's the most pure woman in Islam. The fact that she gave birth when she was only 9 goes to show you how common it was. If you don't agree then I cannot help you any further.