MY PET PEEVE

[Dorothy Mae]

I know whereof I speak. I work in a hospital and was very much afraid envying the HO majority. Then one day God spoke to me very sternly and said in no uncertain words, “Stop being afraid!!!” He didn’t promise protection. He didn’t promise anything. But I got a grip on my heart and ceased allowing fear to have me. It left and I received extraordinary courage AND a peace that goes with rebuking fear. I hugged as needed and saw the fear in others and it caused them to sin (rejecting people and loving their health (well-being) more than loving God or man.)

Fear stands very close to hate. So what was fear became black hatred in the hearts of some. And they felt completely justified because they had rejected Jesus’ oft repeated command to “fear not” but embraced fear completely. The fruit was hate.

It was an astounding observation. And make no mistake, lives were ruined from this process. And leadership fanned the flame.

 

[hawkman]

Catholic churches around the country closed and did not celebrate the Mass during the pandemic. According to what I was taught, this would have been a mortal sin yet, the Catholic church gave in to governmental mandates.

One example I heard about on the Catholic Channel on Sirius FM was about churches in California that were not allowed to celebrate Mass indoors and even outdoors were limited to a maximum number of people. If memory serves me right, that limit was either 12 or 24.

The ironic thing that was pointed out in the story was that gambling casinos in the area were allowed to remain open for business indoors.

The Cal. churchs should of got permission of the casino's to have church there in the casino . Win Big at the Casino , become Born Again .

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno

Scripture says that the love of many shall grow cold . Perhaps lukewarm and self serving is a step in that direction?

 

[Riven]

And not only in this regard.
The entire Woke system is sick and goes against every human quality. Whatever is right and reasonable, Woke is against it.
Are you aware of the transgender situation in the states? We're luckier here in Europe, but eventually it MIGHT reach out shored.

And THE CHURCH not only doesn't do anything, but is AGREEING with the madness.

Whatever starts in America eventually spreads to the rest of the western countries. You'll notice that wokeness only effects western countries. Eastern countries are being left alone. More people need to ask, why is that?

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think woke us largely a corporate America product anyway.

 

[jasonc]

Yes they did, however, Protestants do not agree with the Catholic church that missing worship services is a mortal sin or even a sin at all.

In our Lutheran church we stopped having worship service in person but kept gathering by live streaming. It required our pastor and one person to broadcast the video. The disadvantage of this was the lack of personal fellowship and sharing Holy Communion.

We did that for two weeks and got back together.as you said .we could shop,go to work in groceries stores with open spaces .

 

[GodsGrace]

Which church? Sure there are apostate ones .the Episcopal and Methodist churches but these have splinters that have refused and separated themselves .

EVERY church.
EVERY denomination.
THE CHURCH.

 

[GodsGrace]

How are they agreeing? I heard Matt Chandler agree.

Otherwise Yes I’m aware of it.

Here's one speaker I respect:

 

[GodsGrace]

Whatever starts in America eventually spreads to the rest of the western countries. You'll notice that wokeness only effects western countries. Eastern countries are being left alone. More people need to ask, why is that?

Unfortunately, it's because religion in the East is firm and very legalistic.
Woke goes against the Word of God.
They get a hand cut off for stealing, so I doubt there'll be action against the Word of God.

We, in our faith, don't like legalism.
I also don't like having a theodicy in charge.

But what's the alternativer?
Can't we at least say that gay marriage (for example) is WRONG?

How does the government have the audacity to change marriage....
which GOD instituted??

And all the other madness that is going on.

 

[Riven]

Unfortunately, it's because religion in the East is firm and very legalistic.
Woke goes against the Word of God.
They get a hand cut off for stealing, so I doubt there'll be action against the Word of God.

We, in our faith, don't like legalism.
I also don't like having a theodicy in charge.

But what's the alternativer?
Can't we at least say that gay marriage (for example) is WRONG?

How does the government have the audacity to change marriage....
which GOD instituted??

And all the other madness that is going on.

Well, even in Japan for example, a nation where Christianity is only 3% of the population, wokeness is being rebuked. It seems to be targeting western countries that pride themselves on being tolerant.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, even in Japan for example, a nation where Christianity is only 3% of the population, wokeness is being rebuked. It seems to be targeting western countries that pride themselves on being tolerant.

Japan has a different culture that will not tolerate woke or any ultra-left ideology.

We've caved Riven.
I don't see any way back.

I think it was Chesterton that said that those that accept anything, believe in nothing.
This is so true.

The idea today is to be free and modern and look where it's taken us...
our freedom is lost and the world was always "modern" !

I was speaking to a Catholic deacon just last evening and he said that all people are to be accepted.
I accept everyone...it seems like we've lost our way in just what that acceptance means.
It doesn't mean that the laws are to be changed for 2% of the population.
Kids seem to be confused about their gender.
Young adults suing hospitals for butchering their body when they were still minors.
It's a horror story.
Where were their PARENTS?

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, even in Japan for example, a nation where Christianity is only 3% of the population, wokeness is being rebuked. It seems to be targeting western countries that pride themselves on being tolerant.

PS
It has nothing to do with Christianity...although I believe Christianity keeps you on the right road.
It just has to do with using common sense.

 

[Riven]

Japan has a different culture that will not tolerate woke or any ultra-left ideology.

We've caved Riven.
I don't see any way back.

I think it was Chesterton that said that those that accept anything, believe in nothing.
This is so true.

The idea today is to be free and modern and look where it's taken us...
our freedom is lost and the world was always "modern" !

I was speaking to a Catholic deacon just last evening and he said that all people are to be accepted.
I accept everyone...it seems like we've lost our way in just what that acceptance means.
It doesn't mean that the laws are to be changed for 2% of the population.
Kids seem to be confused about their gender.
Young adults suing hospitals for butchering their body when they were still minors.
It's a horror story.
Where were their PARENTS?

It seems like many of the parents today have bought into the ideology. At that point, whay do you do? I think these surgeries and hormone blockers that prevent puberty, should be made illegal until a person becomes an adult.

PS
It has nothing to do with Christianity...although I believe Christianity keeps you on the right road.
It just has to do with using common sense.

Correct. Even renowned atheist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins believes it's nonsense.

 

[GodsGrace]

It seems like many of the parents today have bought into the ideology. At that point, whay do you do? I think these surgeries and hormone blockers that prevent puberty, should be made illegal until a person becomes an adult.


Correct. Even renowned atheist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins believes it's nonsense.

Agreed.
Leave children alone.

And, wow, did he age!

 

[jasonc]

EVERY church.
EVERY denomination.
THE CHURCH.

Arp ,my church at large didn't .
The pca didn't .

The Methodist ,all of them aren't leftist near me ,didn't
The Anglican churches and local calvary chapel didn't .

Desantis didn't let that shutter churches .

I know my old dominion.i would read statements or observe churches .you would be surprised at the churches on my old water grid I went to .

Asbury Methodist ,first methodist church ,grace spring ,overflow church ,St Paul's ,Nazarene church ,Lutheran church ,Trinity Episcopal,first Baptist,community church ,the Methodist church in the beach ,the nar church and first church in Christ and st Helens .holy cross ,the freewill Baptist church ,others in plazas.uu church ,first Presbyterian

If I added the electric grid it would double that .some I attended ,others I simply looked into . Of my list three are liberal

 

[WIP]

Scripture says not to fail to assemble yourselves together.

Hebrews 10:24-25 is not a command. It is a recommendation and a good one for we should not forsake gathering together in fellowship and worship.

24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
Hebrews 10:24-25 NKJV

 

[WIP]

What difference does that make? Scripture says not to fail to assemble yourselves together. That command they dropped in obedience and fear of man. We don’t have “mortal sins” whatever that is, but there are serious sins in Protestantism and what you call it is immaterial. Shows their faith. Doesn’t apply to real life.

That’s not gathering together.

Exactly. That’s not gathering together and the leadership abandoned the command of God in fear of man and a (hard to believe) a virus. They loved their lives and health ultimately most.

You're completely taking this whole discussion off track. I was originally replying to miamited's question in post #5 and you through yourself into it and took it off track. My point was that the Catholic church is one example where a church chose to obey men before God. That is, because of their claim that missing Mass is a mortal sin.

 

[WIP]

I do think that one can miss church for vacations,deaths in the family and sickness.

Just don't make it a habit .I didn't always have a chapel service in Afghanistan,we couldn't .

And that is fine but according to Catholic teaching, missing Mass for any reason is a mortal sin. That is what I was taught. Quite a bit different take on Hebrews 10:24-25 I'd say.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It seems like many of the parents today have bought into the ideology. At that point, whay do you do? I think these surgeries and hormone blockers that prevent puberty, should be made illegal until a person becomes an adult.


Correct. Even renowned atheist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins believes it's nonsense.

Parents are being told that if they don't go along, their child will commit suicide. They are asked if they'd rather have a living trans kid or a dead one? It is a lie, but that is what they are being told. California, I hear, is preparing to enact a law that if parents oppose the transitional medications and surgeries, the state will legally take away their children.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hebrews 10:24-25 is not a command. It is a recommendation and a good one for we should not forsake gathering together in fellowship and worship.

24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
Hebrews 10:24-25 NKJV

Those 100 pastors in England disagree with you. John MacArthur disagrees with you. There are many who feel assembling together is vital. When the disciples were told they could practice their faith in peace but were not to preach it, they did not see Jesus' "recommendation" as optional and can be dropped so as not to get in trouble with the authorities. What was lost by complying we do not know, but we do know that the shut down did major damage, worse than the virus to some. The British pastors refused and the whole nation was blessed.