Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

[zone]

Zone. what are you doing up at this time?

Oooh that webpage looks good I'll give it a good read.

Rothschild? Prime suspect number #1 for son of perdition. Antichrist? Will he announce himself and stand in the temple shewing himself to be god? Is it possible people will accept him as the messiah? I guess the Jews would quite easily cos they are expecting a normal man basically. Is that correct?

How about Christians though? Oh....hang on.....thats what all this hebrew roots stuff is all about.....The rabbis leading the flock..........so they can say Lo here...Lo there........

Love you zone...///////

:::::::::::: Doc.

hey doc.
hurtin', couldn't sleep.
rothschild (red shield) prolly won't claim to be the mosiach. but he is a crazy Talmudist who is using everything he's got to bring in the mosiach, as you've pointed out he funded the occult knesset. more to come on him shortly.

interested to see what you think of the larouche/pentecostalism document. i know you're already very aware of these issues. if we can just stay somewhat detached from emotions, we can get to the facts.

i'm going through years of files to bring out the big guns.

i like that you keep warning about project bluebeam. the vast number of american christians have been caught up in the pentecostalist movement (signs and wonders), and have also been taught they will be raptured, and that the jews have a separate covenant coming....now where could this be leading? hmmmm....

 

[Strangelove]

hey doc.
rothschild (red shield) prolly won't claim to be the mosiach.

I guess it would be too obvious. Too risky. Why not just stay behind the scenes and employ an actor to play the role instead>>:::

That guy who plays the lead in Avatar is the hot man in Hollywood at the moment isn't he?? LOLZ!!

Ya if you fall for this dung:::

YouTube - Benny Hinn - Mighty Anointing in Milwaukee

Then you'll have no trouble falling for this:::

YouTube - Holographic Jesus- Project Blue Beam

 

[zone]

i like that you keep warning about project bluebeam. the vast number of american christians have been caught up in the pentecostalist movement (signs and wonders), and have also been taught they will be raptured, and that the jews have a separate covenant coming....now where could this be leading? hmmmm....

if i may, in keeping with the signs and wonders thing, let's recap what the Apostle Paul had to say when he felt the need to blast off a Second Letter to the Thessalonians. they had misunderstood WHEN Jesus would come.

some background:

we know that his First Letter was (in part) in answer to their question: "WHERE ARE OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP?"

it's in that First letter Paul tries to reassure them that the dead in Christ are ok, and that they will come WITH JESUS. remember, this letter is not concerning the WHEN, since paul never taught anything other than The Second Advent. this letter is to comfort them that their relatives with come WITH Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


now we've heard that used ALOT in pre-trib theory.

let's look at another passage by Paul that covers the SAME EVENT. here Paul reveals the Mystery of the "change" to immortal bodies: that not all will die before the Second Coming, some of us will be alive and in a "moment" (the word is like our word for atom: it'll be that sudden):


1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

so, we can be pretty solid in that there's no rapture per say, unless we use that word to refer to the CHANGE at the Second Advent.

so, back to the SIGNS and WONDERS, and the deception that Jesus is in fact due AT ANY MOMENT (before antichrist and the trib)....see next post as we go back to Paul, and his need to fire off a Second Letter to The Thessalonians....

 

[zone]

I guess it would be too obvious. Too risky. Why not just stay behind the scenes and employ an actor to play the role instead>>:::

That guy who plays the lead in Avatar is the hot man in Hollywood at the moment isn't he?? LOLZ!!

Ya if you fall for this dung:::

YouTube - Benny Hinn - Mighty Anointing in Milwaukee

Then you'll have no trouble falling for this:::

YouTube - Holographic Jesus- Project Blue Beam

exactly Doc.
these people (if you can call them that: they are psychopaths, reprobate, God is through with them) aren't kidding around. the technology available today is far far more advanced than the puny stuff they give us (i think we've already talked about the hologram machine atop the satanic Cathedral of St. John The Divine in NYC - theosophists...that building's address used to be 666 rockefeller plaza...this is Mdm. Blavatsky and crew, the Lucis trust - they run the "religious" show for the UN).

 

[zone]

so, we can be pretty solid in that there's no rapture per say, unless we use that word to refer to the CHANGE at the Second Advent.

so, back to the SIGNS and WONDERS, and the deception that Jesus is in fact due AT ANY MOMENT (before antichrist and the trib)....see next post as we go back to Paul, and his need to fire off a Second Letter to The Thessalonians....

ok.
so here's Paul having to address a real problem!

in this part of the Second Letter to the very same bunch, he's GRAVELY concerned that they have been apparently troubled by words, or spirits, or even a counterfeit letter from him, that The Day of the Lord (the Second Advent) was due at ANY MOMENT, or, "at hand".

it's here we get lots more info on what MUST take place first, and it's here we learn of the son of perdition who will deceive people with LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS.

what should be most disturbing is that Paul makes it extremely clear that God Almighty Himself will send STRONG DELUSION upon some people who received NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH. now, we can debate what may be meant by this in its entirety, but let's take a look at the letter in detail. Paul is adamant that they let absolutely NOTHING deceive them about the WHEN:

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

so, we can see the urgency in letting nothing deceive us about the WHEN.
apparently there will be severe deception, and even worse, God will send strong delusion - there'll be no coming out of that if Father has done it.

so let's get real secure in the WHEN. then we can keeping looking at what they have up their sleeves. we know that there's a ton of stuff in the invisible realm going on, but we can only go forward wearing the gospel armour, following what's written, led by The Spirit, and preparing by watching what we CAN see.

here's one part we want to keep in mind at all times:

for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

we already know that "a falling away" means apostasy: a departure from THE FAITH. this departure is obviously happening every day. but, Doc, what movement is it we have seen that is luring Christians AWAY from THE FAITH, and into another system?

a system that has publicized it's intention to subdue the entire planet under it. what "thing" could happen to deceive/force Christians into departing from the faith?

i liked your post by Ben Gurion: pretty hard to refute what comes out of the horse's mouth, huh?

love zone.

 

[zone]

I guess it would be too obvious. Too risky. Why not just stay behind the scenes and employ an actor to play the role instead>>:::

That guy who plays the lead in Avatar is the hot man in Hollywood at the moment isn't he?? LOLZ!!

Ya if you fall for this dung:::

YouTube - Benny Hinn - Mighty Anointing in Milwaukee

Then you'll have no trouble falling for this:::

YouTube - Holographic Jesus- Project Blue Beam

"Why not just stay behind the scenes and employ an actor to play the role instead"


Doc i think you're on to something. that's what The Pharisees did once, right? if we look back at what Jesus went through, maybe there's a clue. 'member Judas was from AMONG the 12....but Jesus said he was a devil.

i think we agree that The Mother is Jerusalem. it makes sense that the second son of perdition MIGHT be much like Judas.

look what happened here with him:

John 13
21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. 22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake. 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. 25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

26Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. 28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. 29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. 30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.


maybe while i have a few minutes i'll get what i have on Judas Iscariot. we may be able to get some clues.

 

[Strangelove]

This is fascinating. Jesus knew all things. It's almost like He cursed Judas cos He wanted him to betray Him. Like He needed it. But why the sop? Whats the significance?

 

[zone]

ok.
so here's Paul having to address a real problem!

in this part of the Second Letter to the very same bunch, he's GRAVELY concerned that they have been apparently troubled by words, or spirits, or even a counterfeit letter from him, that The Day of the Lord (the Second Advent) was due at ANY MOMENT, or, "at hand".

it's here we get lots more info on what MUST take place first, and it's here we learn of the son of perdition who will deceive people with LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS.

what should be most disturbing is that Paul makes it extremely clear that God Almighty Himself will send STRONG DELUSION upon some people who received NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH. now, we can debate what may be meant by this in its entirety, but let's take a look at the letter in detail. Paul is adamant that they let absolutely NOTHING deceive them about the WHEN:

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

so, we can see the urgency in letting nothing deceive us about the WHEN.
apparently there will be severe deception, and even worse, God will send strong delusion - there'll be no coming out of that if Father has done it.

so let's get real secure in the WHEN. then we can keeping looking at what they have up their sleeves. we know that there's a ton of stuff in the invisible realm going on, but we can only go forward wearing the gospel armour, following what's written, led by The Spirit, and preparing by watching what we CAN see.

here's one part we want to keep in mind at all times:

for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

we already know that "a falling away" means apostasy: a departure from THE FAITH. this departure is obviously happening every day. but, Doc, what movement is it we have seen that is luring Christians AWAY from THE FAITH, and into another system?

a system that has publicized it's intention to subdue the entire planet under it. what "thing" could happen to deceive/force Christians into departing from the faith?

i liked your post by Ben Gurion: pretty hard to refute what comes out of the horse's mouth, huh?

love zone.

let's look in another place at ANOTHER BEAST. this is not the beast system we've talked about....this is the bad boy himself. he "exercises all the power" of the first beast (the beast system of the Temple Cult that received the deadly wound in 70AD - that system having consolidated all power and is riden by The Mother of Harlots, Talmudic Judaism out of Jerusalem)...just trying to zero in on it - we can't be totally certain yet...some of the beast-thingees are a bit fuzzy as yet:

let's see what he and his false prophet are up to (claiming to be Elijah? Elijah called fire down from heaven on a SACRIFICE, right?) member old Nicolas Tesla? he could make "lightening" way back when. strangely, his patents were stolen by the assistant to a man named Schiff (there is some evidence the assistant may have been none other than ....research on your own...lol)

Revelation 13
11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

so....could this action (we see it is DECEPTION) convince people it was in fact time to build the Temple? everything is ready, i've heard if they got the go-ahead, it would only take 6 months. this would mean their mosiach would come BEFORE the temple was built. could this be when the two witnesses are testifying against the system?

we know they are killed, and their dead bodies lie in Jerusalem. we know that everybody rejoices when they're killed and they exchange gifts and celebrate.

if the Temple System on the mount received a deadly wound as Jesus said would happen by Titus in 70AD, rebuilding the temple would mean MAKING AN IMAGE OF THE FIRST BEAST...a duplicate.

thoughts?
zone

 

[zone]

This is fascinating. Jesus knew all things. It's almost like He cursed Judas cos He wanted him to betray Him. Like He needed it. But why the sop? Whats the significance?

member that was the Lord's Last Supper.
it shows Judas partook of the bread...at the very least it was the sign to the others who the betrayer would be.
beyond that i dunno.

everything is laid out in all these types though, God is so Good and Merciful and Wise, ya? we see only through a glass darkly now, but He'll give us everything we need.

love you Docster.

 

[zone]

I guess it would be too obvious.

kinda like Rome...how OBVIOUS can you get when setting up a decoy?

LOL.

 

[Strangelove]

I cant see any error in there Sister Zone.

let's see what he and his false prophet are up to (claiming to be Elijah? Elijah called fire down from heaven on a SACRIFICE, right?) member old Nicolas Tesla? he could make "lightening" way back when. strangely, his patents were stolen by the assistant to a man named Schiff (there is some evidence the assistant may have been none other than GHW Bush)

Wow. Your saying Tesla's inventions....which have basically never been used for the good of man....could used as deception to bring fire/lightening down from heaven. I cant see any reason why not. Why WOLDNT Satan use all our Earthly technologies against us to decieve. Wonderful insight Sister Zone. I'm gonna try and verify the Bush-Tesla link.

so....could this action (we see it is DECEPTION) convince people it was in fact time to build the Temple? everything is ready, i've heard if they got the go-ahead, it would only take 6 months. this would mean their mosiach would come BEFORE the temple was built. could this be when the two witnesses are testifying against the system?

To be honest....like I've been saying for ages....it REALLY AINT gonna take much to fool people come the time if they han't been watching for it::::

1) They can easily make people sick, weakening them (modified foods, vaccines, chemtrails etc etc

2) They have people wrapped up in churchianity mob cults with fake salvation and powerful leaders and if the leader says jump they'll go through the roof

3) They have the signs and wonders of modern technology at their fingertips to make all sorts of funky stuff happen in the sky (Tesla, Fake Alien invasion, Holograms etc)

It's gonna be like lambs to the slaughter. Shootin' fish in a barrel.

we know they are killed, and their dead bodies lie in Jerusalem. we know that everybody rejoices when they're killed and they exchange gifts and celebrate.

if the Temple System on the mount received a deadly wound as Jesus said would happen by Titus in 70AD, rebuilding the temple would mean MAKING AN IMAGE OF THE FIRST BEAST...a duplicate.

thoughts?
zone

The first beast was the original Jerusalem then? Image of the beast will be rebuilt temple.

Roger that Gold leader. Seems logical.

Anyone find any error in all of this??

 

[zone]

This is fascinating. Jesus knew all things. It's almost like He cursed Judas cos He wanted him to betray Him. Like He needed it. But why the sop? Whats the significance?

Doc...

i found this in my files.
fascinating, very indepth look at Judas.
i have more on him as Iscariot (there was an assassin's cult called the iscarii)...will post later.
this makes total sense!

At the last supper we find Judas partook of the bread (a symbol of Jesus’ body- flesh), Judas dipped with the bread with Jesus but he left before he could partake of the wine (a symbol of Christ’s blood shed on the cross) Jn.13:26-30.

JUDAS ISCARIOT

 

[zone]

Why WOLDNT Satan use all our Earthly technologies against us to decieve.

ya.
though the angels can do stuff, satan has to be somewhat limited in what he can do. i think most of the technology we have came from the evil realm anyhow. it's always these weirdos that come up with the bad stuff that is used against us. like...Manhatten Project? heelllooooo.......illuminati ritual.
hiroshima and nagasaki were CHRISTIAN CITIES.

 

[zone]

Because we do not fear men. We only fear God. Maybe God is protecting us so that we may do His will?

I mean....Sister Zone should be dead right now. Her kidney's are completly shot to pieces and probably riddled with cancer (waiting on the test results). The only things she can move are her arms basically. She's been disabled for 7 years. The only thing inside her body that is functioning properly is the Lords Holy Spirit. Amen.

hehehe.
i can move around docster.
not paralyzed or nuthin (praise God)
don't want you picturing me like old wazziz face the super-brain Hawking.
my disabilites and i suspect organ thingee is a result of stinkin' mercury poisoning (neurological) from a head fulla fillings at 8yrs old.
one of the symptoms is chronic insomnia: now if that won't make ya crazy...lol.

but Jesus wasn't kidding about being able to RENEW our minds...BIG TIME.

wonder why the want everybody to get their "mercury" vaccinations, huh? duh.

term Mad Hatter:

So the term is at least one hundred and eighty years old.

It is believed to have come about because hatters in the eighteenth and nineteenth century frequently suffered from mercury poisoning. Mercury is a chemical which used to be used in the production of felt hats. It is extremely toxic and can cause symptoms which appear to be similar to 'madness'.

Hatters in Danbury, Conneticut, USA are known to have suffered the ill effects of mercury poisoning, the symptoms of which were known locally as "the Danbury shakes." It is also claimed that they were known as "the mad hatters," but evidence is unavailable as to whether this predates the appearance of the phrase in Blackwood's.

 

[Vic C.]

VICTORY! ALL GLORY TO GOD!

Dear Lord.
Thank you for opening our Brothers Eyes. Especially such a strong one as Brother Jason.
Lord, thank you for allowing your Holy Spirit to work through us to alert brethren to truth.
Lord, allow those who have eyes to see spread the truth themselves...to shine light on darkness as is your will oh Lord Jesus Christ..Amen.

Personally, the only victory we should be rejoicing is the victory which occurred on the Cross, some 2,000 years ago. Stay grounded in the Word.

I'm going to allow this topic to take a well deserved break now.

 

[jasoncran]

VICTORY! ALL GLORY TO GOD!

Dear Lord.
Thank you for opening our Brothers Eyes. Especially such a strong one as Brother Jason.
Lord, thank you for allowing your Holy Spirit to work through us to alert brethren to truth.
Lord, allow those who have eyes to see spread the truth themselves...to shine light on darkness as is your will oh Lord Jesus Christ..Amen.




Your right it cant be both. No way. The whore is riding the beast. She controls the beast. For now. But we know that control doesnt last forever. Because we know from Rev. that the beast will eventually attack the Whore herself. It's all gonna go pear shaped for the Synagogue of Satan. They just dont believe it themselves so they continue.

In my mind the beast is the one world government that the Whore has set up. ALL religions...creeds and colours make up the beast. Not just zionists. If you want we can simply call it global domination by way of ENFORCEMENT. Another way to put it would be good ole fasioned communism / fascism.

All nations are being centralized. You cant deny it cos look at the U.N. Thats the nerve centre of the overt beast system muscle. All religions are being centralized and melted together. You cant deny it cos look at the Popes ecumenical movement. This is the beast. The are coralling everyone up into massive groups. This makes it much easier to give them the mark.

Is acceptance of the Noahide Laws the mark? Renouncing Christs name in order to live? Could be. RFID chip? Maybe. Doesnt really matter to me. As long as we stay on our narrow path with Christ and stay aware of anything anti-christ then were all good.

Love Doc.

you are taking credit where you didnt do anything, it was vic BY his pointing to the word and it alone and not your conspiracies.

i wonder .. i have faced death and i was scared, only the lord would got me through this. i assume you are american and we whiny americans havent face any real persecution.

i always held that isreal would have some part to do with the ac being in the temple and they would welcome him. most pre-tribbers see that. and it not much of a step for jersusalem to be the whore on the beast from there.

but i'm with vic the thread is done.

fyi biblical evidence will always convince the true christian over "conspiracies"