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Mystery Babylon

In Daniel Ch 2:36-45, and Ch 7:15-18. Babylon was the head of the man. Babylon was the first beast to rise up out of the sea of people and rule the earth. And so the seat of Satan was Babylon, but it was defeated by Media Persia. Then the Persians brought the Babylonian priesthood to their capitol.

Quoting Mr. Larkin: "When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the "Babylonian Order," thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor becomes head of the "Babylonian Priesthood" and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152)."

The Emperor Gratain in A.D. 376, for Christian reasons, refused this title. And in 378 A.D. Bishop Damasus of the Church at Rome became the head of the "Babylonian Order," and ruler of the "Roman Catholic Church."


1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

Yahshua died at the hands of the Romans.

According to Christian tradition, Paul was beheaded in Rome during the reign of Nero.

It is believed that Peter died in A.D. 64 by order of Emperor Nero.

Throughout the history of Rome millions of Christians died.


Revelation 18:24. In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,...

Revelation 17
The Woman and the Beast

1One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."
3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5This title was written on her forehead:
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."


Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Daniel 2
Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

There are ten toes on two feet.


Here is scripture to prove that I am correct. Mystery Babylon The Great is destroyed and sinks below the ocean, never to rise again, never to be inhabited again. Such is not the case for Israel. That is why Jerusalem can not possibly be Mystery Babylon.

Joel 3:20
Judah will be inhabited forever and Jerusalem through all generations.

Zechariah 14:11
It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

And here is Mystery Babylon.

Revelation 18:21
Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
"With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.
 
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Quoting Mr. Larkin: "When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the "Babylonian Order," thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor becomes head of the "Babylonian Priesthood" and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152)."

Did Mr. Larkin happen to give his source for this information?



 
In Daniel Ch 2:36-45, and Ch 7:15-18. Babylon was the head of the man. Babylon was the first beast to rise up out of the sea of people and rule the earth. And so the seat of Satan was Babylon, but it was defeated by Media Persia. Then the Persians brought the Babylonian priesthood to their capitol.

Quoting Mr. Larkin: "When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the "Babylonian Order," thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor becomes head of the "Babylonian Priesthood" and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152)."

The Emperor Gratain in A.D. 376, for Christian reasons, refused this title. And in 378 A.D. Bishop Damasus of the Church at Rome became the head of the "Babylonian Order," and ruler of the "Roman Catholic Church."


1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

Yahshua died at the hands of the Romans.

According to Christian tradition, Paul was beheaded in Rome during the reign of Nero.

It is believed that Peter died in A.D. 64 by order of Emperor Nero.

Throughout the history of Rome millions of Christians died.


Revelation 18:24. In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,...

Revelation 17
The Woman and the Beast

1One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."
3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5This title was written on her forehead:
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."


Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Daniel 2
Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

There are ten toes on two feet.

I can see the link between the 10 toes and the ten horns. i have thought they where the same for some years.

But the ten Virgins? How can you make such a link just by using the number Ten... A big stretch indeed.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
I can see the link between the 10 toes and the ten horns. i have thought they where the same for some years.

But the ten Virgins? How can you make such a link just by using the number Ten... A big stretch indeed.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
No big stretch. All three have to do with Christ return.
 
The info can be found in history books, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and Wikipedia.
Have you actually found this in a history book or the Catholic Encyclopedia? Because I haven't.
So I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me which history book it is in, and where in the Catholic Encyclopedia it is.

Thanks.
 
'BABYLON THE GREAT' IS ISRAEL

By Rev. Ted Pike
29 Mar 10

In the mystical book of Revelation, the apostle John sees a scarlet woman called “ Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.†She is drunk on the blood of Christians and rides a many-horned and -headed beast. John was told this woman symbolized a city that would one day rule and corrupt the world. Who is this woman?

Does she exist today?

The answer lies thousands of years in history, in a story of redemption, love and betrayal – recounted in Ezekiel 16. This stern yet tender allegory tells how God rescued Israel from death as a rejected infant and chose her for His spiritual bride – not because of her goodness but out of His compassion. From the furnace of Egyptian bondage, the tiny Hebrew nation burst forth. She plagued Pharaoh, crossed the divided sea and finally lived under Moses’ leadership in the desert of Sinai. There God entered the covenant of spiritual marriage with His bride. But that happiness was so brief!

[Israel] you trusted in your beauty and played the harlot because of your fame and poured out your harlotry on every passer-by who might be willing… (Ezekiel 16:15).

From Moses through the prophets, Israel is repeatedly characterized as an imperious whore. In more than 80 instances, she is specifically denounced as a harlot or lewd woman. Isaiah and the other pre-exilic prophets aimed their wrath at Jerusalem: “How the faithful city has become a harlot!" (Isaiah 1:21) Isaiah denounced apostate Jews as “sons of a sorceress, offspring of an adulterer and a prostitute†(Isaiah 57:3).
Did Israel’s evil ways end in the dusty annals of the Old Testament? No. Israel rejected Jesus Christ, her Messiah. She has never yet repented.

This compels an inevitable conclusion: Israel of today and tomorrow is the same symbolic woman once chosen as God’s unique bride but ultimately divorced and cast away because of her spiritual adultery.Israel is that “Mother of Harlots†John saw on the beast of Revelation 17 and 18.

Israel was the first to marry God (Christ) and be spiritually one with Him. Thus the position she enjoyed as a spiritual bride was unique to her. Likewise, only apostate Israel can be the “mother†of spiritual whoredom.

When she was chosen as Christ’s bride, other nations were disobedient like a child to its parent. Only Israel was made capable of a wife’s infidelity. As a result, when she became a spiritual whore, she was indelibly marked, “Mother of Harlots.†Jeremiah said, “You had a harlot's forehead, you refused to be ashamed.†(Jer. 3:3) Other apostate systems may be spiritual harlots but only Israel is “mother†of that scarlet sorority. And without repentance, neither time nor wanderings can remove that epithet from her. When Israel shouted, “Crucify Him! Crucify Him!†her resurrected spouse banished her. The Jewish people were condemned to wander like a woman divorced for adultery, perpetually looking for that substitute husband (anti-Christ) who would take the place of the One she killed.


The Great City


What has happened to that rejected unfaithful wife today?
Revelation 17 confronts us with the specter of a city “which reigns over the kings of the earth.†It has physical power—more wealth and importance than any other city—but also spiritual power, embodying the full potentiality of human degeneracy. “What city is like this great city?†the merchants of the earth will wail. This city is so commercially important that when she falls, world trade also comes crashing down. The title “the great city†is exclusive. There will doubtless be other powerful cities in the end time but John witnesses “the great city,†an unequaled center of trade, political power, culture and human bondage.
And to whom does that term refer? In Revelation, “the great city†(hey polis megaley in Greek) is used to clearly refer to Jerusalem, capitol of the Jewish people! When the two witnesses are killed, their dead bodies lie in the streets of “the great city (hey polis megaley). "... Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified†(Revelation 11:8). This unmistakably implies that powerful, corrupt Babylon and the great city “ Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified,†are the same city… Jerusalem.

The apostle Peter, bishop of Jerusalem, also calls Jerusalem “ Babylon.†He sends greetings from the church in Jerusalem saying, “She who is in Babylon…sends you greetings†(1 Peter 5:13). Peter never visited Babylon. He is clearly identifying the moral cesspool of antiquity, Babylon, with the city where Christ was killed.

There are other reasons to believe “ Babylon the Great†means the Jewish city. When she is destroyed, Revelation describes the fall of this city as different from that of “Gentile†(ethnos) cities. “And the great city was divided into three parts and the cities of the nations (Gentiles) fell…†(Revelation 16:19) A city which is not Gentile must, of course, be Jewish.

Also, Rev. 18:24 says that the great city is guilty for having shed the blood of the Hebrew prophets and righteous from the beginning of history. Jesus said the same concerning the rulers of Jerusalem, the Pharisees: "that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar" (Matt. 23:35).

Yet even from earliest post-apostolic times, Christians have misread Revelation’s prophecy. They thought Babylon the Great meant Rome, which has traditionally been described as sitting on seven hills. Yet the city of Rome encompasses many more than seven hills. This is not true of Jerusalem. Ernest L. Martin, Ph.D. points out:

the City of Jerusalem as it existed in the time of Christ Jesus was also reckoned to be a 'City of Seven Hills.' This fact was well recognized in Jewish circles. In the Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer, an 8th century A.D. midrashic [Talmudic] narrative (Section 10), the writer mentioned without commentary (showing that the understanding was well known and required no defense) that, "Jerusalem is situated on seven hills." ("The Seven Hills of Jerusalemâ€)

Armenian Christians, living for centuries in Palestine, taught their schoolchildren that the seven hills are: Mt. of Olives, Mt. Scopus, Mt. Zion, Mt. Moriah (the Temple mount), Golgotha, Hill of Moses, and Mt. Herzl.

Scripture also describes only one city as center of world rule in the last days, and that is Jerusalem. Paul states clearly that the anti-Christ will declare his one-world authority from the temple at Jerusalem, where he proclaims he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4) When the two witnesses resist him, they do not battle a papal anti-Christ but “the wicked profane prince of Israel†in Jerusalem. (Ezek. 21:25) These scriptures point to Jerusalem as the epicenter of one-world rebellion against God; Jerusalem and Babylon are one!

Modern Judaism is Babylonian


There is more depth to the metaphor. Judaism literally is Babylonian, more than nearly any other religion or culture. Most of its religious laws and traditions, including the Babylonian Talmud and Zohar (Kabbalah), come from nearly 1,600 years Jews spent on the fertile plains of Shinar. Few religions have a deeper tradition of occult. Revelation describes Babylon the Great deceiving the world through her “sorceries†and the Jewish encyclopedias tell us it was Judaism which carried Babylon’s black arts, demonology and astrology to the West.

This is as true today as ever. Jewish supremacism today is not only erecting a political, financial, commercial world empire but spewing filth on the nations through their movie and TV media. (link to Jews in media article) They spearhead freedom-destroying, pro-homosexual hate crimes laws wordwide and abet all forms of left-wing and anti-Christ radicalism through their “civil liberties†fronts such as ADL, ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
 
CNTND.....

And just as “Babylon the Great†will deceive the world, so Jewish leaders today present a whitewashed façade to Christians and the world – an illusion of goodness that has never been more convincing or scrupulously maintained. The Jewish lobby deceived Christians into unquestioning support of Israel’s ambitions and atrocities in the Mideast; this is awesome evidence of the manipulative influence Jewry will enjoy as we draw even closer to the end. When Christ warned that the delusions of the end time would be so irresistible that “even the very elect†could be deceived, He was speaking of our day!

In our day we witness the continuing and monstrous complications of that great divorce of Christ from his chosen bride millennia ago. We are not simply approaching the foothills of anti-Christ. We are in them. Through intrigue and deception, the control and commercialism of “ Babylon the Great†has come surround us. Yet we have not perceived it. We have, in fact, assisted it.

Babylon is now.

How should Christians respond to the fact that Israel and Babylon are one? Jesus tells us the answer. "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues, for her sins have piled up as high as heaven…" (Rev. 18:4-5)
 
Have you actually found this in a history book or the Catholic Encyclopedia? Because I haven't.
So I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me which history book it is in, and where in the Catholic Encyclopedia it is.

Thanks.
The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined." Catholic apologist Karl Keating writes: "Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible. So he acknowledges that the woman in Rev 17 is Rome! And in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159Q, the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that Peter referred to Rome figuratively as Babylon in 1 Pe 5:13."
On each of the hills a temple was built, and each of the hills was named after that god. Thus the blasphemous names.
 
The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined." Catholic apologist Karl Keating writes: "Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible. So he acknowledges that the woman in Rev 17 is Rome! And in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159Q, the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that Peter referred to Rome figuratively as Babylon in 1 Pe 5:13."
On each of the hills a temple was built, and each of the hills was named after that god. Thus the blasphemous names.

did you know Jerusalem sits on 7 hills?

Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
 
The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined." Catholic apologist Karl Keating writes: "Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible. So he acknowledges that the woman in Rev 17 is Rome! And in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159Q, the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that Peter referred to Rome figuratively as Babylon in 1 Pe 5:13."
On each of the hills a temple was built, and each of the hills was named after that god. Thus the blasphemous names.
I know of the extra non-biblical sources that give the opinions that Babylon means Rome.

But I was asking about the info you quoted from Clarence Larkin concerning the succession of Pontiffs.

I'm not arguing whether it is true or not. I would just like to have credible historical support and not just take Larkin's word for it.

Thanks
 
did you know Jerusalem sits on 7 hills?
Good point, and yes, I know it does.
And a few other cities do as well.

But is the prophesy of the 7 mountains really talking about 7 mounds of dirt?
Or is it a correlation with the 7 heads of the beast that the harlot sits on, which is interpreted for us as 7 kings and not 7 mounds of dirt?
 
Have you actually found this in a history book or the Catholic Encyclopedia? Because I haven't.
So I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me which history book it is in, and where in the Catholic Encyclopedia it is.

Thanks.
The info is found in old books. The new books are full of garbage for simpletons. The true history has been rewritten. The new books are for political correctness.
 
I have seen several instances of proclaiming that John wrote "Babylon" as a code word for "Rome" out of fear of speaking against Rome directly.

But we must remember that John is not the author of Revelation. The author is the Holy Spirit.
And I seriously doubt that the Holy Spirit had a fear of Rome.

Jesus had no problem speaking directly against the Jerusalem leaders even though they wanted to kill Him.
It was the same with the apostles. They were willing to die for speaking the truth directly.

Then all of a sudden we want to portray John as some kind of wimp.
What's up with that?
 
But is the prophesy of the 7 mountains really talking about 7 mounds of dirt?

Or is it a correlation with the 7 heads of the beast that the harlot sits on, which is interpreted for us as 7 kings and not 7 mounds of dirt?

Or could it mean both? Mountains and Kings. :chin
 
I know of the extra non-biblical sources that give the opinions that Babylon means Rome.

But I was asking about the info you quoted from Clarence Larkin concerning the succession of Pontiffs.

I'm not arguing whether it is true or not. I would just like to have credible historical support and not just take Larkin's word for it.

Thanks
Let me give you an example of what I have to deal with. For example there has been only 8 Caesars, thus the 7+1 heads. The rest were Flavians. But yet, there are scholars who are calling the Flavians Caesars. This is a deliberate deception to confuse the people. Just like we have people here at this forum who,s purpose is to confuse Christians about these matters. Everyone has an agenda. Mine is to prove, and theirs is to disprove. History is being rewritten and historical documents are hidden from the public.
 
The info is found in old books. The new books are full of garbage for simpletons. The true history has been rewritten. The new books are for political correctness.
OK.
So what are some credible old books that you found the info to support Larkin's succession of Pontiffs?




Let me give you an example of what I have to deal with. For example there has been only 8 Caesars, thus the 7+1 heads. The rest were Flavians. But yet, there are scholars who are calling the Flavians Caesars. This is a deliberate deception to confuse the people. Just like we have people here at this forum who,s purpose is to confuse Christians about these matters. Everyone has an agenda. Mine is to prove, and theirs is to disprove. History is being rewritten and historical documents are hidden from the public.
I can appreciate your frustration at times.

All I want (I repeat ... ALL I want) is what credible source you have found that substantiates Larkin's claim of the Pontiff succession he gives.

I have been unable to find a credible source to substantiate his Pontiff succession info, so I was hoping that maybe you had found one.

If you don't have one, that's OK. I've been unable to find one too.
That doesn't mean there isn't one. But if someone can provide a credible source, I would sure like to have it for my files.

Thanks.
 
Hey JC.

Just tell me how this can be Rome>>>

11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
Or could it mean both? Mountains and Kings. :chin
Possibly.
But that would mean that the 7 mounds of dirt are completely separate group of 7 from the 7 heads of the beast.
Because the 7 heads are said to be kings of which some have fallen.
Both Jerusalem and Rome still sit on 7 mounds of dirt, so none of them have fallen.

And if the 7 mounds of dirt are separate from the 7 heads, that would mean that the names of blasphemy are only on the 7 heads of the beast, and not the 7 mounds of dirt.


Revelation 13
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And this verse does seem to indicate that the 7 mountains are one and the same as the 7 heads.
Revelation 17
(9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
I don't know for certain, Doc. But right now I'm compelled to lean toward the view that the 7 heads are one and the same as the 7 mountains.
 
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