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Mystery Babylon

Mystery Babylon
Quoting: Mr. Rev. Clarence Larkin.
“When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the “Babylonian Order,” thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor become head of the “Babylonian Priesthood” and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152).” ...Constantine the Great coinage carried the symbols of the sun-cult until 324. Even when he dedicated the new capital of Constantinople, which became the seat of Byzantine Christianity for a millennium, he did so wearing the Apollonian sun-rayed Diadem. Constantine was the Pagan High priest of the Babylonian Mystery cult.
Attalus III (in Greek Attalos III) Philometor Euergetes (ca 170 BC – 133 BC) was the last Attalid king of Pergamon, ruling from 138 BC to 133 BC.
Rev. Alexander Hislop states: “… There never has been any difficulty in the mind of any enlightened Protestant in identifying the woman sitting on seven hills, and having on her fore head the name written ‘Mystery, Babylon the great,’ with the Roman apostasy. No other city in the world has ever been celebrated, as the city of Rome has … for its situation on seven hills (p. 2).”
Mystery Babylon.

That city is Rome, and more specifically, Vatican City.

Catholic apologist Karl Keating admits that Rome has long been known as Babylon. Keating claims that Peter's statement "The church here in Babylon ... sends you her greeting" (from I Peter 5:13) proves that Peter was writing from Rome. He explains further:

"Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible [four of the six are in chapters 17 and 18 and in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159f.), the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).

Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that "it is said that Peter's first epistle... was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon."

As for "Mystery," that name imprinted on the woman's forehead is the perfect designation for Vatican City. Mystery is at the very heart of Roman Catholicism, from the words "Mysterium fide" pronounced at the alleged transformation of the bread and wine into the literal body and blood of Christ to the enigmatic apparitions of Mary around the world.
Every sacrament, from baptism to extreme unction, manifests the mysterious power which the faithful must believe the priests wield, but for which there is no visible evidence. Rome's new Catechism explains that liturgy "aims to initiate souls into the mystery of Christ (It is 'mystagogy.')" and that all of the Church's liturgy is "mystery."
 
You don't want me to convince you and I am not interested in convincing anyone who is not interested in what Jesus says.
No I don't want you to convince me.
I want to learn how others think about their views.
So what did Jesus say?
Oh I forgot. You don't want to talk.
If you present a valid case I would have to admit you are right... but if you don't present your case I can not say anything about your case.
 
No I don't want you to convince me.
I want to learn how others think about their views.
So what did Jesus say?
Oh I forgot. You don't want to talk.
If you present a valid case I would have to admit you are right... but if you don't present your case I can not say anything about your case.
I will repeat again:

This is what Jesus says:

John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
 
I will repeat again:

This is what Jesus says:

John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
This is a positive statement.
There is nothing in the statement that says Jesus is not God.
 
This is a positive statement.
There is nothing in the statement that says Jesus is not God.
so sad.

You say anything to try to avoid a simple and clear statement of the Bible.

that's what happens when you follow man-made doctrines.

How many years have you read the Bible?

Or you have skipped reading because your church gives you what you want to hear.

I have been reading the Bible both OT and NT over 20 years repeatedly.
 
so sad.

You say anything to try to avoid a simple and clear statement of the Bible.

that's what happens when you follow man-made doctrines.

How many years have you read the Bible?

Or you have skipped reading because your church gives you what you want to hear.

I have been reading the Bible both OT and NT over 20 years repeatedly.
Over 30 years reading in depth and in survey form.
I am just using logic and you appear to be using minimal interpretation.
 
Of course, I am sure.

I know everything that Jesus says.

You know only something?
Seeing as not everything that Jesus said is in the Bible I wonder why you know everything.
I am not an expert in the New Testament... nor the Old. Just a generalist with a passion for checking the work of others.
 
Seeing as not everything that Jesus said is in the Bible I wonder why you know everything.
I am not an expert in the New Testament... nor the Old. Just a generalist with a passion for checking the work of others.
Jesus' messages are not so complicated and not so much.

Most of you make His simple and clear messages so complicated.

that's why you get so lost.

I am a simple follower of Christ.
 
I am not ashamed of His word or teachings.

You guys don't seem to honor His word much.

it is a shame because you guys claim to be His followers.
But you have the hubris to say you know everything Jesus said.
You have some sources the rest of us don't?
 
But you have the hubris to say you know everything Jesus said.
You have some sources the rest of us don't?
If you read the Gospel books, you know it is not much.

I know you guys skipping too many of Jesus' words to make your own doctrine.

I know it because of what Jesus says in the Gospel books.
 
If you read the Gospel books, you know it is not much.

I know you guys skipping too many of Jesus' words to make your own doctrine.

I know it because of what Jesus says in the Gospel books.
But you said you know everything.
The Gospels say not everything is written down.
So how do you make up for the lack?
 
But you said you know everything.
The Gospels say not everything is written down.
So how do you make up for the lack?
Jesus taught us everything that we need to know about the Gospel.

Do you realize that Jesus is repeating similar teachings in 4 gospels?

You know Jesus says He is the Teacher.

Don't you think He taught us everything we need to know about God's kingdom and the Gospel?
 
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