Name the Blab and grab the take it. Amazing Word Of Faith message!

[Brother Mike]

Name the Blab and grab the take it. Amazing Word Of Faith message!​

By: Brother Mike

Greetings Brothers and Sisters in Christ, Brother Mike here with one of my most amazing messages, bringing you very little understanding in the English Language (by faith, I say I know English) and Amazing Revelation from God himself.

I know at this point your excitement is getting the best of you, so lets dive into this, shall we.

Name it and claim it, Blab it and Grab it. You have what you say. This is what we are going to talk about today, a message preached by groups labeled "Word of Faith" groups. It's not exclusive to just WOF, but you have a better chance of hearing it through the Word of Faith Camps, Called "WOF" here on out.

First, lets get something Clear. WOF, is not a denomination. It is a label of a group, That believes things others don't agree with. Normally when you hear the term WOF, it's followed by something negative.

Some WOF "Groups" have actually taken to the name and started calling themselves that, some don't. As I said, it's not a denomination, it has no structure or guide lines that are followed from any main source. Your likely to hear about anything labeled "WOF" right or wrong as nothing governs the doctrine coming out of these groups.

Some theme's you might Associate WOF teaching with:

1) God wants you rich, and God wants to bless you making the preacher even more rich.
2) We are little gods, not just mere mortals. We have authority in heaven and earth.
3) God wants you healed, and faith can get you healed. No faith, no healing.
4) You have what you say, good or bad. Your words carry power.

Other common things would be what Pentecostals believe in general. WOF Groups are a branch from the Pentecostal Church.

The sad thing is, there is truth in every single one of those statements. To discount the whole statement means your missing out on something that could save your life, and change things around. The even more sad thing though is that these things are taught to gain popularity or take money from folks, and often taught with little revelation about the subject.

So, You have things that you need to hear and learn, taught with a fish that has tons of bones in them and you don't know what part is fish, and what is bone that needs spit out. We are going to talk about..............................

You have what you say. Blab it and grab it, name it and claim it.

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
(Mar 11:23-24)

Now before we go making fun of the Blab it and grab it doctrine, we have to be careful on who we are making fun of. Jesus, our Lord, the one you should be submitting to in all things said, "He shall have whatsoever he saith."

Since Jesus said you shall have whatsoever you say, then we ought to take heed, because saying things can effect every single aspect of your life, and turn deadly by the things you say, or give you victory in the things you say. To ignore anything Jesus said, would not be the brightest thing anyone could do.

Did Jesus mean that we shall have anything we say? Yes He did, your reading it in the scripture. This is not a promise, it's not a game, this is a spiritual law that will work for, or against you. What you say can mean life or death. Literally.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
(Pro 18:21)

Time to get the bones out of the fish:

One WOF teacher said.
Start creating it. Start speaking about it. Start speaking it into being. Speak to your billfold. Say, 'You big, thick billfold full of money." Speak to your checkbook. Say, 'You checkbook, you. You've never been so prosperous since I owned you. You're just jammed full of money.

Another:
What you are saying is exactly what you are getting now. If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying.... The powerful force of the spiritual world that creates the circumstances around us is controlled by the words of the mouth.

Another:
Well, if what God hears determines to a large degree what God does, I think we need to be careful. I want to say that again. What God hears determines, to a large degree, what God does.

These are some things people hear, and often just part of what is said is taken out of context of what is said, and other things said are not mentioned. People do this all the time to make others look bad, or to make a point. Taking something out of context to make someone look bad and not mention other things they said is being a devil.

The Problem though is all these statements are not 100% correct by themselves. To me, that is a big issue, because everything we teach, ought to be as 100% correct, without having to go back and hear what we said on the subject 10 weeks ago.

There are other statements these 3 WOF teachers have made, that would make these statements more correct, but just hearing the statements themselves one would not know this.

Do we really create things with Words, are Words containers of power, Does God respond to just the things we have said, can we have anything we want to say?

The answer is NO, NO, NO and NO. That may upset some WOF folk, but it's time to grow up, and not take a few scriptures and make doctrines out of them. We need to examine all the scriptures, and ask the Lord to help us with putting it all together.

Now Jesus said, You shall have, Whatsoever you say. That is very true, and we need to reconcile that with all the things said about it. We don't ignore Jesus, based on something taught we don't like. That is just cutting your own wrist.

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[Rollo Tamasi]

Hi Brother Mike, it's nice to see you bring this subject up as you are most certainly the authority of this doctrine on this forum.
In love, I would like to discuss your usage of Mark 11:23-24;
In all fairness, we should look at the entire passage, Mark 11:20-25;

It starts with the withered fig tree and Peter not realizing the actual power Jesus had.
Jesus answered in verse 22, "have faith in God".
This is where everything starts, having faith in God.

Jesus goes on in verse 23 and talks about moving mountains, showing us that having faith in God, we will have obstacles removed from our lives.
Verse 24 is the catchy thing.
What I see here is God's promises are answered in prayer.
But what kind of prayer?

I look at Luke 6:21;
"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied".
What kind of hunger?

The answer to both questions are our spiritual desires.
If I need money to finish building an orphanage, I believe God will answer that prayer.
If I need money to pay my big mortgage on my big house because I wasn't satisfied with buying a mobile home, then one should question where that money came from if I did received it.
Do you understand what I am saying?

Jesus finishes in verse 25 by saying to forgive everyone before we pray, so that God will forgive us, because unforgiveness will stand in the way of answered prayers.

So we have the power of God through Jesus,
faith in God,
answer to prayers (spiritual desire),
forgiveness.

I see this as a lesson taught by Jesus that we can all benefit by.
I don't see it as a foundation of WOF doctrine.

 

[Brother Mike]

Name the Blab and grab the take it. Amazing Word Of Faith message!​

By: Brother Mike Part 2

Jesus said, You shall have Whatsoever you say.

For one, I am thankful for all the WOF teaching on Words, and Faith. If nobody taught on this, we would all be in the dark about it. You need to understand that things taught build foundations, and others come and improve the foundation. For one man to get complete revelation of all things, it would take more than a lifetime for God to reveal everything and then some.

1Co_3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Did Paul know everything? NO, He knew in part, but that don't mean what Paul laid can't be revealed to us in better light and gain more revelation.

And truly, the blab it and grab it idea needs lot's more light.

(if you need scriptures to back anything up, let me know. I assume most of you know the scripture if I mention part of it)
Can our words create things?.
There is nothing in scripture that says our words create things. Jesus said you have what you say, He did not say, what you say, is created. I can't speak money into being where there was no money. Despite the fact we are like God, we are not the creator. Here is what God said to me about this.
God said:
"For my man to be able to create things, it's not a matter of just speaking something and it's created. To be the one doing the creating, you would have to know all things about all particles, and all things about chemical make up, and once that knowledge is there, as no man can obtain, you would have to have my same substance of faith to actually make it."

So, no amount of saying, is going to create things. There is One Creator.

Words are containers of Power?
No scripture to back up words contain power. Words that agree with God's Word, connect to the Word's power, and the things of God.

But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
(Php 4:19)

Saying I am broke all the time, or I don't have enough to meet my needs is not going to connect to God shall supply. It's not words being containers of power to do anything, it's words that agree with God who has the supply and power.

However, it's not fully about our words, though Jesus said you have Whatsoever you say. Jesus said more than that, but the byproduct is Words that agree with God, or don't agree with God and God's supply.

We have what we have by our words spoken, and Words control the spirit World?.

Partly True. Words don't control the spirit World. God's Word created laws in the spirit world and it's God that made the laws that control the world of the spirit. Our words don't change those laws in how the spirit world works. By our Words in agreeing with God, then laws in the spirit world will work for us, and not against us. Our life is a byproduct of what we have been speaking, because what we have been speaking agree's with God, or is not in agreement with God.
The words themselves have power to agree with the one who made the laws, and has the power.

What God hears, determines what God is going to do some times?
There is some truth in this also. It's not directly related to what we are saying though. Saying is the cause and effect of something else.

Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you: Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,
(Num 14:28-29)

This scripture would seem to back up the statement, but there are more scriptures to compare. God did say, that as they have spoken, It will happen to them. Jesus said you shall have what soever you say.

Israel was saying the opposite of what God was saying. God was saying I am giving you the promise land, they where saying God brought us out here to die.

However, why did Israel not enter the promise land?

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
(Heb 4:2)
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
(Heb 3:18-19)

So even though God said they where going to get the things they said, and their words did come to pass. The scripture does not say they did not enter in because of their words.

They did not enter in because of a crummy heart condition toward God. The heart Was the reason, Not the Words.

I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
(Jer 17:10)

The Lord gives to man according to what man says? NO, According to the mans heart, and his ways.

This may not sit well with some WOF folks, but scripture is scripture, and I have been teaching faith for a long time. Just because we gain some principles on faith, does not mean we can't grow up more, and get better understanding according to scriptures. We have to take all the scriptures into account, be thankful for what was taught in the past and build a better and stronger, more sure foundation.

I could continue on and on about this, and explain how it works. However, I don't want to type a bunch more stuff, nobody is going to care about. It's best to answer questions.

Be blessed.
Mike

 

[Brother Mike]

Hi Brother Mike, it's nice to see you bring this subject up as you are most certainly the authority of this doctrine on this forum.
In love, I would like to discuss your usage of Mark 11:23-24;
In all fairness, we should look at the entire passage, Mark 11:20-25;

It starts with the withered fig tree and Peter not realizing the actual power Jesus had.
Jesus answered in verse 22, "have faith in God".
This is where everything starts, having faith in God.

Jesus goes on in verse 23 and talks about moving mountains, showing us that having faith in God, we will have obstacles removed from our lives.
Verse 24 is the catchy thing.
What I see here is God's promises are answered in prayer.
But what kind of prayer?

I look at Luke 6:21;
"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied".
What kind of hunger?

The answer to both questions are our spiritual desires.
If I need money to finish building an orphanage, I believe God will answer that prayer.
If I need money to pay my big mortgage on my big house because I wasn't satisfied with buying a mobile home, then one should question where that money came from if I did received it.
Do you understand what I am saying?

Jesus finishes in verse 25 by saying to forgive everyone before we pray, so that God will forgive us, because unforgiveness will stand in the way of answered prayers.

So we have the power of God through Jesus,
faith in God,
answer to prayers (spiritual desire),
forgiveness.

I see this as a lesson taught by Jesus that we can all benefit by.
I don't see it as a foundation of WOF doctrine.

I agree, read my next part, and let's compare notes. Blessings to you and thank you for taking the time to read though.

Forgiveness or violating your love walk is a number one big reason prayer is not heard. Not obeying God in all things is number. So, the name given to us "Jesus" is the power given and faith in God. (Acts 4) So the power of God, through our Lord and High Priest Jesus Christ. It's not power in our own words.

If you could be kind to read the next Part I just posted, we can compare notes more.

Blessings.

 

[Michael74]

Or when you ask, you do not receive because the reason you ask is wrong. You want things so you can use them for your own pleasures. James 4:3 NCV

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hello Brother Mike, you have put together part two very well.
I pretty much know all that you just said except your writing in red.
Now that spoke to me, because it was between you and God.

It is here "in red" where the average Christian, whether they be WOF or not, do not understand God.
They hear a preacher say something, try to understand it, and believe whatever comes out of their minds.
This is not surprising.
I was there once.
But as you said earlier, there comes a time we have to grow up.
And most people don't grow up in their faith.

People need to listen to others but then check it against Scripture.
Questions answered should only lead to more questions until one day you are the one answering the questions.

So far, so good.
I have no questions.
Either continue or wait for others to respond.

 

[Brother Mike]

Hello Brother Mike, you have put together part two very well.
I pretty much know all that you just said except your writing in red.
Now that spoke to me, because it was between you and God.

It is here "in red" where the average Christian, whether they be WOF or not, do not understand God.
They hear a preacher say something, try to understand it, and believe whatever comes out of their minds.
This is not surprising.
I was there once.
But as you said earlier, there comes a time we have to grow up.
And most people don't grow up in their faith.

People need to listen to others but then check it against Scripture.
Questions answered should only lead to more questions until one day you are the one answering the questions.

So far, so good.
I have no questions.
Either continue or wait for others to respond.

I only know a little part about this, and would have known nothing had others not taught what they understood. It's powerful though, but as you said, scriptures must be examined.

What scriptures though? God had to speak to me to get my thinking straight and at the moment He spoke, several scriptures came to my attention to back what he just said. Scriptures I never connected before. This proves we are smart, but not that smart and need things revealed to us. I just want what is right.

I am not Bashing WOF, but that don't mean we should not examine what others teach.

Blessings and thank you for the input.

Questions answered should only lead to more questions until one day you are the one answering the questions.
( I think I am going to steal this phrase from you and use it.)
Mike

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My Christian walk started with Norman Vincent Peale, "The Power of Positive Thinking".
I loved what he said though I understood little.
I remember being a new Christian, only a few months old, and I went with a friend to meet others and listen to a cassette tape by Kenneth Hagen.
Everyone in the group knew much more than me.
But somewhere he said something and it didn't sound right.
When we took a break, I shared it with my friend and he looked it up in Scripture.
Sure enough, he was misquoting Scripture to prove a point that he was teaching.
My friend shared it with everyone but they decided "what could he know", so they continued to listen to the rest of what Hagen had to say.
I learned that day that God had given me a gift, a gift of the Holy Spirit that I didn't understand, but I do now.
It was just this past Tuesday that I debated 4 elders in my church .
I had sound doctrine on my side and I challenged them to provide sound doctrine to back up what they were believing but they could not.
It almost got ugly on their part, but we broke up for the day.
I'm not sure what next Tuesday will bring.
Sound doctrine is your best friend.

Sound doctrine says this;
"don't argue over trivial matters".
If it is not a salvation issue, it is not worth arguing over.

 

[Brother Mike]

My Christian walk started with Norman Vincent Peale, "The Power of Positive Thinking".
I loved what he said though I understood little.
I remember being a new Christian, only a few months old, and I went with a friend to meet others and listen to a cassette tape by Kenneth Hagen.
Everyone in the group knew much more than me.
But somewhere he said something and it didn't sound right.
When we took a break, I shared it with my friend and he looked it up in Scripture.
Sure enough, he was misquoting Scripture to prove a point that he was teaching.
My friend shared it with everyone but they decided "what could he know", so they continued to listen to the rest of what Hagen had to say.
I learned that day that God had given me a gift, a gift of the Holy Spirit that I didn't understand, but I do now.
It was just this past Tuesday that I debated 4 elders in my church .
I had sound doctrine on my side and I challenged them to provide sound doctrine to back up what they were believing but they could not.
It almost got ugly on their part, but we broke up for the day.
I'm not sure what next Tuesday will bring.
Sound doctrine is your best friend.

Sound doctrine says this;
"don't argue over trivial matters".
If it is not a salvation issue, it is not worth arguing over.

It can be hard to explain or teach something and not misquote something as the scripture was intended. God slain me in the Spirit is not a scripture. God answers prayer yes, no, maybe, who knows, sorry I am clueless on this one, I never heard something that messed up .
Is not a scripture either.

Other issue is that it takes faith to believe something you have never seen or understand.... "Nothing by any means shall harm you." (Luke 10:19) That included Atomic Weapons? Must be.

God knows the end from the Beginning..... that is misquoting a scripture in Isa 46. God declares, and God's counsel shall stand. That is planing and causing, not fortune telling.
(My Pastor misquotes that one)

I try to be careful in that everything I say, I can back with a scripture. Around here you have to. I always have it covered, but What about things I think are scripture and are not? That is in all of us.

I love scripture wars though, what where you battling about the Elders for? None of my business, but a live scripture debate sounds awesome.

Blessings.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

It can be hard to explain or teach something and not misquote something as the scripture was intended. God slain me in the Spirit is not a scripture. God answers prayer yes, no, maybe, who knows, sorry I am clueless on this one, I never heard something that messed up .
Is not a scripture either.

Other issue is that it takes faith to believe something you have never seen or understand.... "Nothing by any means shall harm you." (Luke 10:19) That included Atomic Weapons? Must be.

God knows the end from the Beginning..... that is misquoting a scripture in Isa 46. God declares, and God's counsel shall stand. That is planing and causing, not fortune telling.
(My Pastor misquotes that one)

I try to be careful in that everything I say, I can back with a scripture. Around here you have to. I always have it covered, but What about things I think are scripture and are not? That is in all of us.

I love scripture wars though, what where you battling about the Elders for? None of my business, but a live scripture debate sounds awesome.

Blessings.

I said to the group, "After 30 years, I decided to change my stance from pre-trib to post-trib.
And then the roof almost caved in.

 

[Michael74]

Sound doctrine says this; "don't argue over trivial matters". If it is not a salvation issue, it is not worth arguing over.

But avoid stupid arguments, long lists of ancestors, quarrels, and fights about the Law. They are useless and worthless. Titus 3:9 GNT

 

[JLB]

Or when you ask, you do not receive because the reason you ask is wrong. You want things so you can use them for your own pleasures. James 4:3 NCV

Great scripture. You beat me to it.

What version is NCV?

...Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.
James 4:2-3


Can you see that James is talking about money? ...that you may spend it on your pleasures.

So we see that you can pray for money, because most of the reason the Church is broke and in debt, is because their ignorant.

Their ignorant of the fact that God does want us to be financially able to pay our bills and support our family, and have more than enough to be a blessing, to help and love and serve people.

So we see 2 reasons, why God's people don't have;

1. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ASK
2. BECAUSE THEIR MOTIVE IS WRONG; IE THAT THEY WOULD SPEND IT ON THEIR PLEASURES.

Keep the good scriptures coming.


JLB

 

[Michael74]

What version is NCV?

New Century Version

 

[Brother Mike]

I said to the group, "After 30 years, I decided to change my stance from pre-trib to post-trib.
And then the roof almost caved in.

I am sure JLB will agree with you on this major change in stance.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am sure JLB will agree with you on this major change in stance.

WHAT!!!!!?????
You don't agree with me?

 

[Brother Mike]

WHAT!!!!!?????
You don't agree with me?

Well, JLB and I have had long battles over Post and Pre Trib. JLB is the best I have run into, and I will tell you, I have run into lots and lots of them, and none even fully know their own doctrine.

However, Like the Joke goes. The daughter comes home and tells her Catholic parents that she is a prostitute. Her parents both faint and tell her How can this be? We raised you right. The Daughter says, NO, NO, I did not say protestant, I said Prostitute. Her parents both sigh a sigh of relief, and say thank God, we thought you said you became a Protestant.

At least you did not say you became Preterist. There would be no hope left for you at that point.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Well, JLB and I have had long battles over Post and Pre Trib. JLB is the best I have run into, and I will tell you, I have run into lots and lots of them, and none even fully know their own doctrine.

However, Like the Joke goes. The daughter comes home and tells her Catholic parents that she is a prostitute. Her parents both faint and tell her How can this be? We raised you right. The Daughter says, NO, NO, I did not say protestant, I said Prostitute. Her parents both sigh a sigh of relief, and say thank God, we thought you said you became a Protestant.

At least you did not say you became Preterist. There would be no hope left for you at that point.

Well, me and JLB don't really agree on too much, so if he's post-trib, then maybe I'll be something else.
Maybe I'll come up with some new doctrine.
There's always a group of people with itchy ears who will take to something new.

 

[Brother Mike]

Well, me and JLB don't really agree on too much, so if he's post-trib, then maybe I'll be something else.
Maybe I'll come up with some new doctrine.
There's always a group of people with itchy ears who will take to something new.

Well, if you are "NOW" post trib, I am sure you two can agree on something finally. There is a very specific reason I am not Post-trib, despite the amount of scriptures I can use to prove it and back it.

If you grind out both doctrines, down to where no questions are left, cover the timing and order of tares (which end up meaning nothing) the time of the first Resurrection (Which ends up not meaning much as Paul did not give timing for events in Cor) You come down to a a couple of key scriptures, and how you look at those determines If Jesus comes once for the Church and once in the end for the battle, or Jesus just comes once for the battle.

Both doctrines are close, and both doctrines argue things that end up not being all the relevant.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm OSAS, how about you?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What's your stance on tithing, which they mean that you need to give 10 % of your gross income to the local church or else you will deprive yourself of many blessings?