Barbarian
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But denial is strong in the antivaxxers. Even though the number of people infected with COVID-19 getting myocarditis is far higher than among the vaccinated, you see all sorts of excuses to avoid the facts.
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Naomi Wolf: Baby Deaths Skyrocketing Among Vaccinated Mothers
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Dorothy Mae
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If you want to believe mainly covid causes health issues and those reporting life debilitating reactions hours after the shots are wrong, no one will be able to penetrate that armor.
Anyone who calls those who refuse the experimental gene therapy shots “antivaxers” already demonstrates a propensity to ignore facts. (Most who refuse the jabs are vaccinated against the usual infections thus proving they aren’t “antivaxers” but never mind the truth.)
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Barbarian
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Well, it comes down to the numbers, doesn't it? Yeah, I'm skeptical that the COVID-19 vaccination causes you to have auto crashes or makes you into the Incredible Hulk (both have been reported). Bottom line, myocarditis is both much more frequent and much more severe in COVID-19 patients than in vaccinated people. So given that fact, it seems very foolish to choose the alternative that is more dangerous.
As you learned earlier, there is no "gene therepy" involved with COVID-19 vaccines, and since the Pfizer vaccine is fully-approved by the FDA, "experimental" is just another fantasy of the antivaxxers.
Natural selection is already dealing with them:
Hospitalization rates in the state increased for everyone regardless of vaccination status during the Omicron wave. But the gap between the boosted population and the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated remained.
As of mid-January, the weekly hospitalization rate for Georgia’s booster group was a third of the rate for the combined unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated population. As of January 31, 48% of Georgians were not fully vaccinated, while 17% had received a booster.
During the same period in North Dakota, unvaccinated and partially vaccinated people were about twice as likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with the vaccinated. The hospitalization gap was three times greater for those with boosters.
Several other states published data on hospitalizations through mid-January. They all show vaccinated Americans at much lower risk.
How likely is COVID-19 hospitalization for vaccinated Americans?
Many vaccinated Americans have become infected with COVID-19, especially during the Omicron surge. But vaccination has made hospitalization much rarer.
usafacts.org
I used to say anti-COVID-vaxxers but that is just too tedious. In the context of COVID, anti-vaxxer is the equivalent.
Check this out:
Naomi Wolf: Baby Deaths Skyrocketing Among Vaccinated Mothers
Dr. Naomi Wolf Reports on COVID Vaccine Data in Pregnancy, Lactation Original Video: https://rumble.com/v1532pr-dr.-naomi-wolf-reports-on-covid-vaccine-data-in-pregnancy-lactation.html ...............rumble.com
The Life Cycle Of A COVID-19 Vaccine Lie
Where do myths about coronavirus vaccines come from and why do they spread? NPR takes a look at how rumors about vaccines and fertility reached the public earlier this year.
www.npr.org
(Alice Lu-Culligan is an M.D.-Ph.D. candidate at Yale University who studies the immune system and reproductive health.)
In other words, JLB, your "doctor" is telling lies. It's all false. This was not hard to find online. Just took a 5-second Google search.
EDIT: I don't know if anyone else here on the thread reported this NPR transcript. If so, my apologies for reposting, but I don't want to read through the whole thread.
I will state (controversially, I'm sure) that I think Christianity discourages discernment and supports the herd mentality. The vast majority of people who believe and spread lies about COVID are Christians. Why is that?
Noami wolf is a pro choice ,third wave feminist ,pro gay rights and had pushed things based on bad understanding of stats .Check this out:
The Life Cycle Of A COVID-19 Vaccine Lie
Where do myths about coronavirus vaccines come from and why do they spread? NPR takes a look at how rumors about vaccines and fertility reached the public earlier this year.
(Alice Lu-Culligan is an M.D.-Ph.D. candidate at Yale University who studies the immune system and reproductive health.)
In other words, JLB, your "doctor" is telling lies. It's all false. This was not hard to find online. Just took a 5-second Google search.
EDIT: I don't know if anyone else here on the thread reported this NPR transcript. If so, my apologies for reposting, but I don't want to read through the whole thread.
The Madness of Naomi Wolf
The “Beauty Myth” author has gone from being a feminist icon to an anti-vaxxer banned by Twitter. But she’s always struggled with the truth.
newrepublic.com
Christianity has been called the "thinking man's religion" for a reason, if Christians actually choose to think. At least part of the problem is that for at least a few decades now, there has actually been an anti-intellectual movement within certain segments of Christianity. These type of people are precisely those that discourage the use of reason and are most likely to support the herd mentality, not that that is exclusive to Christianity, or religion, alone.
The majority seem to be conservatives, Christian or not, but quite possibly mostly Christian. That would be due in part to the above, but also because it fits nicely with certain eschatological views. Conservatives in general are highly suspicious of anything liberal or socialist, and it has become popular (by both liberals and conservatives) to oppose something merely on the basis that it was implemented or encouraged by the opposition.
My suspicion or distrust I'm short based upon the VA.
The VA has rated vets like me who can't work ,for now I can,then without warning take that away ,and it takes months or years to get it back.
Imagine not having income ,or worse no health care because of that or the fact you can loose you license and work for the VA,you just need a degree .
Can't sue the VA easily .before you couldn't at all
Christians like to think of themselves as being in the majority. Hence terms like the "moral majority", and Nixon's "silent majority" (I think that was the term he used...). Hence why Christians like to pretend that there's some scheme against them by a small group of people and that the voice of the majority is being silenced by the privileged elite.
But I embrace my outlier status.
Barbarian
Member
The anti-vaxxer movment was originally dominated by leftists who were looking for a reason to be outraged. It was abetted by a crooked lawyer and a doctor he induced to write a fake medical journal issue:
Arguably, the one study that turned the anti-vaccine movement into a veritable crusade was the publication of a 1998 study from British physician Andrew Wakefield, who claimed that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine predisposed children to neurological conditions, including autism.
It was later discovered that many of Wakefield's findings linking the MMR vaccine to autism were fraudulently manufactured, leading to the revocation of his medical license and the retraction of the article by the journal The Lancet 12 years after its publication.13
Even so, to this day, there are many anti-vaxxing proponents who claim that vaccines, not only MMR, put a child at risk of "getting" autism.
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But, with the rise of social media, anti-vaxxers are now able to directly target their audience and coalesce support without the constraints of traditional media. This has allowed anti-vaxxing "experts" and celebrities a platform by which to express their views.11
Among celebrities who actively questioned or derided vaccines is comedian Jenny McCarthy, who in her three books on autism has perpetuated the myth that autism is linked to the MMR vaccine.
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www.verywellhealth.com
Arguably, the one study that turned the anti-vaccine movement into a veritable crusade was the publication of a 1998 study from British physician Andrew Wakefield, who claimed that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine predisposed children to neurological conditions, including autism.
It was later discovered that many of Wakefield's findings linking the MMR vaccine to autism were fraudulently manufactured, leading to the revocation of his medical license and the retraction of the article by the journal The Lancet 12 years after its publication.13
Even so, to this day, there are many anti-vaxxing proponents who claim that vaccines, not only MMR, put a child at risk of "getting" autism.
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But, with the rise of social media, anti-vaxxers are now able to directly target their audience and coalesce support without the constraints of traditional media. This has allowed anti-vaxxing "experts" and celebrities a platform by which to express their views.11
Among celebrities who actively questioned or derided vaccines is comedian Jenny McCarthy, who in her three books on autism has perpetuated the myth that autism is linked to the MMR vaccine.
History of the Anti-Vaccine Movement
From those who protested the first vaccines to pandering pediatricians and celebrities, here's when the anti-vaccine movement all began.
Of course, the pro-slavery movement in America was originally dominated by Christians who saw it as approved in the Bible. So... does that mean that modern Christians are bad? Of course not.
So also just because the anti-vaxxer movement was originally dominated by the left does not mean that the left is bad today.
Which is now typically adopted by far-right people.
Barbarian
Member
It's just a demonstration that there are weird people of all political persuasions. Doesn't reflect on the rest of them.
Dorothy Mae
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Problem is it’s not true. I guess the pro-jab bunch should be called the “pro medical experiments” side. That’s about the same level of truth.
Dorothy Mae
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I have a better nomenclature. The PRO CHOICE side of the discussion. There is the NO CHOICE and the PRO CHOICE.
Are you intentionally making this sound like the abortion debate? Or was that accidental?
Many anti-abortion Christians will say with reference to the vaccine that it's their body, so their choice. The hilarious thing is that they don't even realize how similar their language sounds to the pro-choice movement, until I point it out to them! For example, my stepmom used that language, and was unaware of how her words sounded.
The vaccine is no longer experimental. If you want to say it is, then you might as well call all medicine "medical experiments" and thus refrain from taking any.
Which some Christians do.
The doctor feels like she failed because she has warned the world yet she can't prevent the deaths. It is because of MSM that these "vaccines" are even able to fly. When your blocked or only allowed to talk against the agenda on MSM a dollar short and a day late, how can you do more? Gaslighting Fox News isn't out to help anyone by double-speak and after the fact for that matter. Before Fox even allowed a voice be heard of the opposing side 3 billion people on the planet we fully vaxxed. The left- forget it. Cold left, lukewarm right =majority dying .Naomi Wolf: Baby Deaths Skyrocketing Among Vaccinated Mothers
Dr. Naomi Wolf Reports on COVID Vaccine Data in Pregnancy, Lactation Original Video: https://rumble.com/v1532pr-dr.-naomi-wolf-reports-on-covid-vaccine-data-in-pregnancy-lactation.html ...............