Naomi Wolf: Baby Deaths Skyrocketing Among Vaccinated Mothers

[Free]

Problem is it’s not true.

What's not true, that those who are opposed to the COVID vaccines are not anti-COVID-vaxxers?

I guess the pro-jab bunch should be called the “pro medical experiments” side. That’s about the same level of truth.

No, not even close.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What's not true, that those who are opposed to the COVID vaccines are not anti-COVID-vaxxers?

You shortened it to anti-taxers, which is not true. They are pro-choice when it comes to medical experimental injections. The pro-COVID vaccines are really anti-choices.

No, not even close.

It is actually quite accurate as the main problem is the lack of choice. Anyone working in medical procedures required before using new procedures knows that unethical choices and shortcuts were made unacceptable in medical treatment studies. It was astounding the unethical cuts they took to include "no choice" or punishment if one does not comply, totally unethical in medical studies.

 

[jasonc]

I'm anit taxer .taxation is theft ,lol

 

[Free]

You shortened it to anti-taxers, which is not true. They are pro-choice when it comes to medical experimental injections. The pro-COVID vaccines are really anti-choices.

Why continue to call the vaccines "medical experimental injections" when they are not? I guess if it helps you justify your choice...

It is actually quite accurate as the main problem is the lack of choice. Anyone working in medical procedures required before using new procedures knows that unethical choices and shortcuts were made unacceptable in medical treatment studies. It was astounding the unethical cuts they took to include "no choice" or punishment if one does not comply, totally unethical in medical studies.

These aren't medical studies and people have always had the choice as to whether or not they get them. If they chose not to, there may have been consequences, such as losing one's job, but there has to be; it's what happens when rights come into conflict. Not a single one of you anti-vaxxers have been able to address that problem. You all want to have your cake and eat it too, which is at the heart of the problem.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Why continue to call the vaccines "medical experimental injections" when they are not? I guess if it helps you justify your choice...

No that’s what many who work in medical research call them. It is what they are. The fallout of which won’t be seen for some years. It takes years to develop vaccines because the potential damage must be known and weighed against the benefit. This was not done and it ongoing but in the world’s population, not a group of volunteers. The manufacturers violated most of the ethical rules others have to follow in offering new medical help.

These aren't medical studies and people have always had the choice as to whether or not they get them. If they chose not to, there may have been consequences, such as losing one's job, but there has to be; it's what happens when rights come into conflict. Not a single one of you anti-vaxxers have been able to address that problem. You all want to have your cake and eat it too, which is at the heart of the problem.

That is by definition NO CHOICE. In ethical medical developments the researchers are forbidden from 1)penalizing those who refuse to participate and 2) rewarding materially those who do.

Covid is not small pox. Covid killed 1% of those who contracted it with the average age of those who died being 71. That never warranted forcing a medical procedure in people those safety was unknown. And if there is punishment for refusing, it is forced and unethical. This alone should have caused anyone who understands medical ethics to question the narrative.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Dorothy Mae You have not answered my questions. Specifically, like I asked earlier, are you intentionally sounding like a pro-choice advocate?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Dorothy Mae You have not answered my questions. Specifically, like I asked earlier, are you intentionally sounding like a pro-choice advocate?

I didn’t see that question it I’ve noticed the pro abortionists have dropped the “pro choice” worded campaign as having the right to choose whether one gets a medical procedure or not us against the correct narrative.

 

[T. E. Smith]

I didn’t see that question it I’ve noticed the pro abortionists have dropped the “pro choice” worded campaign as having the right to choose whether one gets a medical procedure or not us against the correct narrative.

Sorry, your post was incoherent to my brain. Could you break it up into sentences?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sorry, your post was incoherent to my brain. Could you break it up into sentences?

I did not see your question.
Those who insist on the right to abort unborn babies have stopped using “pro choice” nomenclature.
This is likely because the government(s) does/do not what people to even think of having a choice when it comes to medical procedures. They will decide the medical procedures you must have so choice is O U T.

 

[T. E. Smith]

I did not see your question.
Those who insist on the right to abort unborn babies have stopped using “pro choice” nomenclature.
This is likely because the government(s) does/do not what people to even think of having a choice when it comes to medical procedures. They will decide the medical procedures you must have so choice is O U T.

What? They are still using the term.

 

[Free]

No that’s what many who work in medical research call them.

Please provide evidence of this. Until you do so, it is just your opinion.

The fallout of which won’t be seen for some years. It takes years to develop vaccines because the potential damage must be known and weighed against the benefit. This was not done and it ongoing but in the world’s population, not a group of volunteers. The manufacturers violated most of the ethical rules others have to follow in offering new medical help.

This is simply not true. Not only can I find nothing to support your claims, I can find much that refutes them.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...oronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-development-speed

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trials-speed-safety

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...-were-developed-faster-than-any-vaccine-ever/

https://www.immunology.org/coronavi...-resources/how-covid19-vaccine-developed-fast

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1

The main reasons vaccines take so long are due to a lack of funding, a lack of volunteers, red tape, etc. But, due to the nature of this virus and the worldwide pandemic it caused, governments everywhere made sure to do what they could by providing funding and removing red tape, and, thankfully, many people stepped up and volunteered.

That is by definition NO CHOICE. In ethical medical developments the researchers are forbidden from 1)penalizing those who refuse to participate and 2) rewarding materially those who do.

Since this isn't a medical experiment and never has been a medical experiment, the choice has always been get vaccinated or don't get vaccinated.

Covid is not small pox. Covid killed 1% of those who contracted it with the average age of those who died being 71. That never warranted forcing a medical procedure in people those safety was unknown. And if there is punishment for refusing, it is forced and unethical. This alone should have caused anyone who understands medical ethics to question the narrative.

The safety was known.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Please provide evidence of this. Until you do so, it is just your opinion.


This is simply not true. Not only can I find nothing to support your claims, I can find much that refutes them.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...oronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-development-speed

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trials-speed-safety

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...-were-developed-faster-than-any-vaccine-ever/

https://www.immunology.org/coronavi...-resources/how-covid19-vaccine-developed-fast

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1

The main reasons vaccines take so long are due to a lack of funding, a lack of volunteers, red tape, etc. But, due to the nature of this virus and the worldwide pandemic it caused, governments everywhere made sure to do what they could by providing funding and removing red tape, and, thankfully, many people stepped up and volunteered.


Since this isn't a medical experiment and never has been a medical experiment, the choice has always been get vaccinated or don't get vaccinated.


The safety was known.

If this is your view no science will change it and you obviously don’t work in science.

 

[Free]

If this is your view no science will change it and you obviously don’t work in science.

My view? I presented a number of links to those who work in science and medicine and they are contradicting your arguments. And yet, you present nothing to support your position, so it can only be understood to be your unsubstantiated opinions. This is not the first discussion where you've done this.

Just because you claim to work for a company that does scientific work doesn't mean that you do that work (you could be a receptionist or a cleaner for that company). If you actually do work as a scientist, it doesn't mean you work in a relevant field and understand viruses and vaccines.

 

[T. E. Smith]

If this is your view no science will change it and you obviously don’t work in science.

This does not address his post. Free cited actual scientists, and you have not. Please be very specific about your role in the scientific field.

 

[T. E. Smith]

My view? I presented a number of links to those who work in science and medicine and they are contradicting your arguments. And yet, you present nothing to support your position, so it can only be understood to be your unsubstantiated opinions. This is not the first discussion where you've done this.

Just because you claim to work for a company that does scientific work doesn't mean that you do that work (you could be a receptionist or a cleaner for that company). If you actually do work as a scientist, it doesn't mean you work in a relevant field and understand viruses and vaccines.

I am afraid that Dorothy is just swallowing what she's heard from right wing anti-vaxxers without being able to cite any hard evidence.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

This does not address his post. Free cited actual scientists, and you have not. Please be very specific about your role in the scientific field.

The problem is this. When one is dealing with a person who has accepted the public narrative, no scientific protest to that story will suffice. There is too much emotional baggage there.

The Nazis did major medical experiments on non-volunteers and they found scientists very willing to cooperate. There is no shortage today of scientists without scruples equally touting the narrative because I can tell you, propose a study where covid is studied within the narrative and funding is yours.

If I, who work in studies needing approval from the ethics committee and took courses in ethics in medical research projects, tell them that the things openly done were unethical, they won’t believe me on anything. If they haven’t looked into the net to find testimonies of health and lives ruined, not to
mention lost, within hours of those shots, they won’t believe anything I say.

I started questioning early on because the official story made no scientific sense. I wasn’t listening to naysayers. I was thinking in my own from the education I have.

Everything I suspected turned out to be true, unfortunately.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I am afraid that Dorothy is just swallowing what she's heard from right wing anti-vaxxers without being able to cite any hard evidence.

You could hardly be more wrong. I work in medical research and started getting suspicious when the narrative didn’t match known basic medical science. (It’s not a new virus, for example. The corona family of viruses is known.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just so you know, I’ve published as first author and otherwise in scientific journals but nothing to apply here. My work isn’t that impressive and I don’t stand as an expert so that’s not my claim. I do know enough about science and medical research to see the flaws in the narrative but that was easy.

But if a person has chosen to believe the government, there are ample journalists and scientists who will stand with them. It’s profitable to do so. At my work we only talk behind closed doors when we find a fellow doubter (some of whom got the shots and ended up in ER.) If one doesn’t want to
think but merely believe, no input will change anything.

 

[T. E. Smith]

The problem is this. When one is dealing with a person who has accepted the public narrative, no scientific protest to that story will suffice. There is too much emotional baggage there.

The Nazis did major medical experiments on non-volunteers and they found scientists very willing to cooperate. There is no shortage today of scientists without scruples equally touting the narrative because I can tell you, propose a study where covid is studied within the narrative and funding is yours.

If I, who work in studies needing approval from the ethics committee and took courses in ethics in medical research projects, tell them that the things openly done were unethical, they won’t believe me on anything. If they haven’t looked into the net to find testimonies of health and lives ruined, not to
mention lost, within hours of those shots, they won’t believe anything I say.

I started questioning early on because the official story made no scientific sense. I wasn’t listening to naysayers. I was thinking in my own from the education I have.

Everything I suspected turned out to be true, unfortunately.

ever heard of Godwin's Law? It states that the longer a conversation continues, the more likely someone is to mention Hitler or the Nazis. Yep, I was waiting for this.

You could hardly be more wrong. I work in medical research and started getting suspicious when the narrative didn’t match known basic medical science. (It’s not a new virus, for example. The corona family of viruses is known.)

That's ridiculous. That's like if we found a new animal species (which happens often, and in fossils), and someone said "That's not a new species, we've known about its family for years now!"

Just so you know, I’ve published as first author and otherwise in scientific journals but nothing to apply here. My work isn’t that impressive and I don’t stand as an expert so that’s not my claim. I do know enough about science and medical research to see the flaws in the narrative but that was easy.

But if a person has chosen to believe the government, there are ample journalists and scientists who will stand with them. It’s profitable to do so. At my work we only talk behind closed doors when we find a fellow doubter (some of whom got the shots and ended up in ER.) If one doesn’t want to
think but merely believe, no input will change anything.

Anti-vaccine propaganda is something I have firsthand experience with in my family, and it is very similar to other types of propaganda such as anti evolution. So it is easy for me to see through it. Unsurprising, you are a scientist but not in a relevant field. Thus your experience is no more relevant than is a NT scholar to the Hebrew Bible.
Tell me this: why do you think I am pro-vaccine?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hitler said something to the effect, tell a little lie and they (the populace) won’t believe you. Tell a big lie and they will.