Never Mock God

[Lewis]

Got this from a fellow musician friend of mine.

Never doubt the Word of God!!!

It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): " Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever
a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Here are some men and women who mocked God:

JOHN LENNON:
Some years before during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him" (1966)".
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

TANCREDO NEVES:
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

CAZUZA:
During a show in Canecão (Rio de Janeiro), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: God, that's for you.
I can't even explain how he died.

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC:
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it"
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.


MARILYN MONROE:
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He is a preacher and Evangelist and the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.

After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
"I don't need your Jesus".
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.


BON SCOTT:
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:

"Don't stop me; I'm going down all the way, wow the highway to hell".
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his vomit.


CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO! WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU",
She responded: ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, COZ INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"

Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact.

The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none was broken.

Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive. JESUS!!!

P.S: If it was a joke, you could have sent it to everyone. So are you going to have courage to send this?
I have done my part; Jesus said "If you get embarrassed about me, I will also get embarrassed about you before my father.
What benefit does it have, if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul?
What can man give in exchange of his soul? (Mathew 16:26).

 

[peace4all]

so your sayign that god inspired soemoen to murder john lennon>?

are you saying, that, just to spite the designer of the titanic, he murdered all of those people?


wow, I mean, God loves his creation right?

http://www.abcopad.org/abcopad/home.nsf ... enDocument

Had the ecclesiastics of the Church of San Nazaro in Brecia given in to repeated urgings to install a lightning rod, they might have averted a terrible catastrophe. The Republic of Venice had stored in the vaults of this church several thousand pounds of gunpowder. In 1767, 17 years after Franklin's discovery, no rod having been placed on the church, it was struck by lightning and the gunpowder exploded. One-sixth of the city was destroyed and over 3,000 lives were lost because the priests refused to install the "heretical rod."

In Ottumwa, lightning struck a church steeple, knocking it down and causing about $5,000 in damage.

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lls/incidents.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainmen ... 209223.stm
look, Gibsons actors get struck by lighting.


Christian priest murdered in Laos
From correspondents in Hanoi
January 02, 2006

AN evangelical Protestant pastor was killed in Laos late last month, an official spokesman in Vientiane said Monday, confirming an exiled group's report.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 09,00.html



Brazilian priest murdered in Rio
Map of Rio de Janeiro state, Brazil
A Brazilian priest who campaigned for the families of 29 people allegedly killed by rogue police officers has been shot dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4716363.stm


Cleveland priest shot to death, then burned beyond recognition in his office
Cleveland police announced this morning that they had arrested a suspect for the murder of William Gulas, pastor of St. Stanislaus Church. But as Weblog filed this morning's report, they still hadn't named a motive.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/148/12.0.html

so, it seems to show that christians, that speak the word of god, Feel gods wrath just as often, if not more than atheists ehh?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Your post says that mocking God is a bad thing but then you go ahead and attribute atrocities to Him. You make Him into some sort of child who did not get the recognition He wanted so he flipped out and killed everyone.

Did you ever stop to think that even believers have bad things happen to them in their lives?

We could very well say that some believers were told to deny God but when they didn't they got burned alive.

John was told to deny Jesus but when he refused, he soon found himself boiling in hot oil and then on the isle of Patmos.

When Stephen wouldn't do it he got thrown from the temple.

When Peter wouldn't he got crucified upside down.

Does this mean that denying God is what will save people from bad things?

Bad things are part of mortality. It is not dependent on our accepting or denying the Lord. Believers die every day. Kind of shoots holes in your chain letter.

 

[Lewis]

Let me tell you something dudes, I am just posting something that I thought interesting, thats all nothing more, you got that ?

 

[Drew]

I am glad that many are speaking out against the rather obvious spirit exemplified by the OP (I do not necessarily assume that Lewis holds these views). It portrays God as a kind of petulant child who strikes down those that oppose him.

Now, of course, one could always pull out a litany of "verses" that support the notion that God will crush those who oppose him. One can prove almost anything with "a verse".

The problem is that to suggest that God struck down, say John Lennon, is to effectively make a very questionable judgement to the effect that John Lennon was so evil that he needed to be removed.

Which of us has not said and done many things at least as blasphemous (if not in exact wording) as Jonh Lennon's dismissal of Christianity?

Nobody would be left standing if God struck down all those who oppose him.

 

[D46]

As it is written...Hosea 8:7 (KJV) For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.

Godd or bad-good and bad things happen to one and all. The bible clearly shows many examples of that. Consider the book of Job and contrast that with the end of Nebuchadnezzar...

Daniel 4:32-33 (KJV) And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

Another good example in the life of God's people can be seen in the lives of Saul and David. Both started well but both were the instruments of God's blessings and chastening. Once we take our eyes off the Lord, disaster lurks in every corner and will eventually find you.God KNOWS how to get our attention!

I Samuel 2:7-20 (Saul)
II Samuel 12:4-14 (David)

 

[Lewis]

Thank you David.

 

[antitox]

Your post says that mocking God is a bad thing but then you go ahead and attribute atrocities to Him. You make Him into some sort of child who did not get the recognition He wanted so he flipped out and killed everyone.

Boy, did you miss the boat. So then you are saying that it is ok to be stupid and mock the Creator? Then explain where Elisha was mocked by children and they then got attacked by bear cubs.

Did you ever stop to think that even believers have bad things happen to them in their lives?

Absolutely, and it happens. But so does arrogance.

We could very well say that some believers were told to deny God but when they didn't they got burned alive.

Absolutely. The bible has many accounts of that. Lewis wasn't speaking to the contrary.

John was told to deny Jesus but when he refused, he soon found himself boiling in hot oil and then on the isle of Patmos.

yip. And he then penned Revelation. :-D

When Stephen wouldn't do it he got thrown from the temple.

He got stoned to death. Does the bible say that we won't get hurt if we don't speak against God? Surely you are smarter than this.

When Peter wouldn't he got crucified upside down.

Jesus had already spoke to Peter directly that that time would come in his life.(John 21:18)

How bout the dark ages? Betcha can find a bunch of examples there too. But it really has no bearing on what Lewis pointed out. He showed places of arrogance and it wasn't God that did anything to anybody, but what may happen in the circumstance doesn't mean God cannot show His miraculous ability to respond likewise to the words of man.

Does this mean that denying God is what will save people from bad things?

If you wanna believe that and walk it out, you will be held responsibile for it.(Matt 12:37)

Bad things are part of mortality.

I don't think anyone is denying that.

It is not dependent on our accepting or denying the Lord. Believers die every day. Kind of shoots holes in your chain letter.

Quite a blanket statement. No, I wouldn't just assume that. You took what he put out there and made something else out of it. Bottom line: Arrogance is not wise. If you think it's ok, then you will stumble right over one of the clearest statements in the bible. "A haughty spirit goes before a fall."
I don't want that, do you?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Your post says that mocking God is a bad thing but then you go ahead and attribute atrocities to Him. You make Him into some sort of child who did not get the recognition He wanted so he flipped out and killed everyone.

Boy, did you miss the boat. So then you are saying that it is ok to be stupid and mock the Creator? Then explain where Elisha was mocked by children and they then got attacked by bear cubs.

Did you ever stop to think that even believers have bad things happen to them in their lives?

Absolutely, and it happens. But so does arrogance.

[quote:15e6e]We could very well say that some believers were told to deny God but when they didn't they got burned alive.

Absolutely. The bible has many accounts of that. Lewis wasn't speaking to the contrary.

John was told to deny Jesus but when he refused, he soon found himself boiling in hot oil and then on the isle of Patmos.

yip. And he then penned Revelation. :-D

When Stephen wouldn't do it he got thrown from the temple.

He got stoned to death. Does the bible say that we won't get hurt if we don't speak against God? Surely you are smarter than this.

When Peter wouldn't he got crucified upside down.

Jesus had already spoke to Peter directly that that time would come in his life.(John 21:18)

How bout the dark ages? Betcha can find a bunch of examples there too. But it really has no bearing on what Lewis pointed out. He showed places of arrogance and it wasn't God that did anything to anybody, but what may happen in the circumstance doesn't mean God cannot show His miraculous ability to respond likewise to the words of man.

Does this mean that denying God is what will save people from bad things?

If you wanna believe that and walk it out, you will be held responsibile for it.(Matt 12:37)

Bad things are part of mortality.

I don't think anyone is denying that.

It is not dependent on our accepting or denying the Lord. Believers die every day. Kind of shoots holes in your chain letter.

Quite a blanket statement. No, I wouldn't just assume that. You took what he put out there and made something else out of it. Bottom line: Arrogance is not wise. If you think it's ok, then you will stumble right over one of the clearest statements in the bible. "A haughty spirit goes before a fall."
I don't want that, do you?[/quote:15e6e]I actually don't think we are on seperate pages here. What I don't like are these chain mail preachers who stick every bad thing squarely on the shoulders of God as if He is punishing everyone all the time.

What these people in their desire to make these points don't realize is that if one side is true, how do you justify the atrocities carried out on believers.

It is the same spirit that screams that the tsunami and the twin towers are judgments from God.

 

[Lewis]

It is the same spirit that screams that the tsunami and the twin towers are judgments from God.

He allowed it, I can tell you that much, because in His omniscience, He knew it was going to happen. And He could have committed the act of divine intervention, but He did not. And on the other hand He could have had a hand in it. How would you know, God is not dead, and He is still the same God. And He still hands out punishment, when He wants to. You have to understand, that God does what He wants, when He wants. What do you think that God is a punk or something, that He has grown soft, and will not do the humanly note, that I said (humanly unthinkable) thing of mass destruction like the tsunami, or 9/11, In your finite mind you can't see it. The Bible is full of Him punishing. He says in the Bible I am the Lord I change not.

 

[Drew]

He allowed it (the tsunami, etc), I can tell you that much, because in His omniscience, He knew it was going to happen. And He could have committed the act of divine intervention, but He did not. And on the other hand He could have had a hand in it. How would you know?

Exactly!!! And by the same reasoning, we should not presume to know that God had a role in striking down John Lennon and the others as per the original post.

 

[antitox]

I actually don't think we are on seperate pages here. What I don't like are these chain mail preachers who stick every bad thing squarely on the shoulders of God as if He is punishing everyone all the time.

What these people in their desire to make these points don't realize is that if one side is true, how do you justify the atrocities carried out on believers.

It is the same spirit that screams that the tsunami and the twin towers are judgments from God.

That's not what Lewis was doing. The examples he gave are those where people made statements that in some way reduced God's sovereignty or integrity to something less than what it is whether jokingly or rebelliously. The examples do not state that God did anything to anyone, but as I had mentioned:

"what may happen in the circumstance doesn't mean God cannot show His miraculous ability to respond likewise to the words of man."

His examples do not advocate God "getting anybody back." But it indeed shows us that arrogance is not wise.

It is often perceived by some that in statements as in the OP listed, that it is being said that God is some kind of cruel punisher waiting for His cue. Absolutely not. But I will say that I would not want to open my mouth and say things about Him or to Him that fall into that category.

 

[antitox]

He allowed it (the tsunami, etc), I can tell you that much, because in His omniscience, He knew it was going to happen. And He could have committed the act of divine intervention, but He did not. And on the other hand He could have had a hand in it. How would you know?

Exactly!!! And by the same reasoning, we should not presume to know that God had a role in striking down John Lennon and the others as per the original post.

The OP did not say that God directly did anything to strike anybody down, but I can say that He can allow the lines to fall a specific way. If you think that isn't possible, then go back and read Job and tell us how unjust and mean God was in that scenario for allowing his children and possessions to be wiped out and his health in tremendous suffering.

God doesn't fit into our box or any box for that matter, and I believe that there are times where He reminds us of it by example. He is big enough that we should remember that His sovereignty should receive more honor than we normally give Him.
And do not forget that he did say this:

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

 

[Lyric's Dad]

He allowed it (the tsunami, etc), I can tell you that much, because in His omniscience, He knew it was going to happen. And He could have committed the act of divine intervention, but He did not. And on the other hand He could have had a hand in it. How would you know?

Exactly!!! And by the same reasoning, we should not presume to know that God had a role in striking down John Lennon and the others as per the original post.

The OP did not say that God directly did anything to strike anybody down, but I can say that He can allow the lines to fall a specific way. If you think that isn't possible, then go back and read Job and tell us how unjust and mean God was in that scenario for allowing his children and possessions to be wiped out and his health in tremendous suffering.

God doesn't fit into our box or any box for that matter, and I believe that there are times where He reminds us of it by example. He is big enough that we should remember that His sovereignty should receive more honor than we normally give Him.
And do not forget that he did say this:

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

You and I both know that the op implied that God was striking them down. Heck, the op is called "Never Mock God" so the intent is very clear. This board is filled with such silly misrepresentations of the Lord that paint Him as an angry school kid who punishes those who won't play with Him in the most attrocious ways He can imagine instead of the loving, longsuffering Lord of all.

I find it rather silly.

 

[Lewis]

You and I both know that the op implied that God was striking them down. Heck, the op is called "Never Mock God" so the intent is very clear. This board is filled with such silly misrepresentations of the Lord that paint Him as an angry school kid who punishes those who won't play with Him in the most attrocious ways He can imagine instead of the loving, longsuffering Lord of all.

I find it rather silly.

Lyric read the Bible how many times throughout the Bible has God struck people down, for reasons that we think He shouldn't have, we cannot put God in a box He does not fit. And yes he will still strike down people, He says in the Bible I am the Lord I change not. So do you think that He has ? He deals with people individually, and He thinks that you have to go. Then you have to go. If He did have a direct hand in Lennon's death, He don't have to tell us about it. Most of the time we humans don't know what God is up to.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

You and I both know that the op implied that God was striking them down. Heck, the op is called "Never Mock God" so the intent is very clear. This board is filled with such silly misrepresentations of the Lord that paint Him as an angry school kid who punishes those who won't play with Him in the most attrocious ways He can imagine instead of the loving, longsuffering Lord of all.

I find it rather silly.

Lyric read the Bible how many times throughout the Bible has God struck people down, for reasons that we think He shouldn't have, we cannot put God in a box He does not fit. And yes he will still strike down people, He says in the Bible I am the Lord I change not. So do you think that He has ?

Well, that explains it then. We should convene a council and canonize your chainmail.

 

[antitox]

[quote="Lewis W":9dea4]He allowed it (the tsunami, etc), I can tell you that much, because in His omniscience, He knew it was going to happen. And He could have committed the act of divine intervention, but He did not. And on the other hand He could have had a hand in it. How would you know?

Exactly!!! And by the same reasoning, we should not presume to know that God had a role in striking down John Lennon and the others as per the original post.

The OP did not say that God directly did anything to strike anybody down, but I can say that He can allow the lines to fall a specific way. If you think that isn't possible, then go back and read Job and tell us how unjust and mean God was in that scenario for allowing his children and possessions to be wiped out and his health in tremendous suffering.

God doesn't fit into our box or any box for that matter, and I believe that there are times where He reminds us of it by example. He is big enough that we should remember that His sovereignty should receive more honor than we normally give Him.
And do not forget that he did say this:

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

You and I both know that the op implied that God was striking them down. Heck, the op is called "Never Mock God" so the intent is very clear. This board is filled with such silly misrepresentations of the Lord that paint Him as an angry school kid who punishes those who won't play with Him in the most attrocious ways He can imagine instead of the loving, longsuffering Lord of all.

I find it rather silly.[/quote:9dea4]

I would say not to mock God either, and I'm saying that now. It's not smart. But there is nothing that I see in that post that says God directly did anything. It sounds as though you don't want anyone depicting any examples of these kinds of things happening. It may be that just the thought of it bothers you.

Let me give my real-life example:

A sister church that I later attended on occasion had a man, an elder, I believe, who was opposed to some church leadership decisions, stood up in a service and pointed his finger at their anointed pastor, and spoke out against him in front of the congregation. Sometime after that, the man was in an accident and his hand was injured in such a way that his index finger remained for the most part a pointed (extended) position.

I don't try to analyze this kind of thing because I'm not God and I am not in a position to judge. But I do know that I don't want to do anything foolish with God. I look at the example where God smote Herod with worms and died in (Acts 12:23) and it is understood that there were many wicked kings that did what Herod did and worse. But only God knows what is going on inside of a person, and only He can make the judgments. But to rule out everything that doesn't fit into one's mental grid is not healthy by a longshot.

 

[Drew]

Greetings Antitox (and others):

Maybe God did strike down John Lennon. I don't know. You are trying to argue that the OP never claimed a direct strike by God. True enough.

However, I think it is abundantly clear that the OP is suggesting that the death of John Lennon, is a consequence of his anti-Christian statements - that if he had not made these statements, he would not have been shot.

One of the problems with this is that it is a "hindsight" type of inference. Suppose some average guy named Fred is gunned down in the street. If we look back on Fred's life, we will almost certainly find that Fred has said and or done something that is more "mocking of God" than what John Lennon did. It might have been to raise his fist and curse God in a moment of anger, it might have been to cheat on his wife, etc. Using the OP's kind of argument, we can conclude that any premature demise is a consequence of mocking of God. So it makes so sense to single out John Lennon.

So, one of the problem of the OPs post is that it tells us nothing useful - nothing that can prescribe our behaviour. If we could reliably know that "God-mocking" brings an early death, no one would live past 15.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Hey, Elvis was a firm believer in the Lord Jesus. So that means he really never did die and must be alive.

Nothing happens bad to those who are believers.

Anyone have the number for the Enquirer? I gotta let them know about Elvis.

 

[Lewis]

Hey, Elvis was a firm believer in the Lord Jesus. So that means he really never did die and must be alive.

Nothing happens bad to those who are believers.

Anyone have the number for the Enquirer? I gotta let them know about Elvis.

Elvis has left the building.