No-medicine churches, and beliefs

[Fedusenko]

@ Pebbles

Are you suggesting that your opposed to a diabetic getting their insulin?

Well, a proper diet would have led to not being diabetic in the first place, but in case that is too late there are herbs that are commonly used in Asian communities in the US to treat diabetes. Those herbs are commonly found here and are disregarded as weeds.

@ Classik

Originally Posted by Fedusenko

Fairly lame folks if you ask me. As for the comment quoted above from the article, I do not see how they can even consider using that against them if the state allows abortion.

you see?

I do not understand you are asking.

@ Reba

One should not sacrifice their children to the god of pride.
In the case posted here the eye glasses show the hypocrisy.

I do not think that it is pride that prevents them to not take their children to be saved from an illness, but a deep conviction to trust in God the way that they understand it. If anything it is an act of humble confirmation of who they serve and who decides on life. Now, that doesn't mean they are correct, but I don't think pride has anything to do with it.

As for the hypocrisy of the eye glasses... While I don't know the boundaries of their beliefs I imagine it has to do with defiling the temple of God (your body) and not putting anything in it that poisons it (read side effects of most medication). Since the eye glasses don't poison your body (other than blocking potential vitamin D to your eyes which is deficiency, not toxicity) there really is no hypocrisy to speak of. This is based off deductive assumptions as you did, too.

 

[Fedusenko]

Thankfully we all seem to be of one mind on this one.
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It seems that none of us understand how anyone would 'even' let their child die 'naturally' for their faith but is there some awful thing that you would do, just on the basis of faith? Another 'holy' war perhaps?

We are not all of one same mind, similar, but not same. Please read my above post to Reba about why I can understand why they did not medically tend to their children. Understanding and agreeing are also not the same.

What awful thing would I do on the basis of faith? Well, my faith restricts me from doing awful things. I would not be able to do awful things on the basis of faith. I am sure someone could pick and choose passages that would twist (see wicked, candle wick, evil) the Word around and make it appear to be faith based.

 

[reba]

As for the hypocrisy of the eye glasses... While I don't know the boundaries of their beliefs I imagine it has to do with defiling the temple of God (your body) and not putting anything in it that poisons it (read side effects of most medication). Since the eye glasses don't poison your body (other than blocking potential vitamin D to your eyes which is deficiency, not toxicity) there really is no hypocrisy to speak of. This is based off deductive assumptions as you did, too.

No it is based off knowing some of these types personally. I will add not all are as i said. The Word of says to have a bit wine for your stomach, wine is considered to be poison by some folks...

 

[Fedusenko]

Ok, the assumption was to make a point that we don't know the 'persons in question' beliefs and thus those statements are merely assumptions. Statements could be made about the people you know if you know their beliefs.

Wine is considered poison by some, that's true. Older SDA's don't drink it or any caffeinated drink, yet will eat processed meat substitutes. I think it is important to be careful when speaking against someone especially when they are not around to explain themselves.

 

[Pebbles]

@ Pebbles
Well, a proper diet would have led to not being diabetic in the first place, but in case that is too late there are herbs that are commonly used in Asian communities in the US to treat diabetes. Those herbs are commonly found here and are disregarded as weeds.

Your are in error, I overestimated the amount of background information you have on diabetes. That was my mistake.

Clarification. I am refering to Type-1 diabetes Auto-immune childhood type treated with insulin supplimentation.

Diabetes caused by poor diet and obesity, is Insulin insensitivity Type-2 diabetes and is NOT commonly treated with insulin. and is as you said better treated by improvements to lifestyle and regular excersize.

 

[Fedusenko]

Thanks for the correction. I will pass on the Laotian name for the herb so that you can check it out. It sounds like lahd-ee-nah and is Laotion, so it may take some time to find the English equivalent. In the mean time, here is a PDF of many herbs, their vernacular, composition among other information compiled by the World Health Organization. There are a few plants that are endorsed by other countries and organizations that are used in treating Diabetes, though it never states which type.

http://www.who.int/medicines/areas/traditional/SelectMonoVol4.pdf

 

[tim-from-pa]

While I certainly hold no love for pepole who make a mercenary profiteering buisness of saving lives.

Are you suggesting that your opposed to a diabetic getting their insulin?

No I'm not against that because that is something the body needs to function, and if we have the ability to give that to people who are lacking, that is good. However, I would consider that a form of trauma medicine or more accurately, supplementing a person the same as with vitamins and minerals (albeit the latter are more in their elemental forms). Insulin is not a "numbers lowering" 'drug'.

The numbers pills I had in mind were for diabetics without the need for insulin, BP meds, cholesterol meds and other worthless stuff like that that do not help a person to live longer --- I can do just as well if not far better naturally.

Instead, ditch the sunscreen and get some sun and fresh air for health. Living in the temperate climate, that's one thing I miss --- working out in the sun and in the summer I remember always being healthier without as many colds as in the winter. I hate the winter.