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No-medicine churches, and beliefs

Hitch said:
We have such a group here in town . There are lots of infants in their cemetery.




I think the adults should be locked up with out food or water and those faithful enough to survive 30 days should be released.

Sacrificing children in the name of Christ is a criminal as it is blasphemous.
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Hitch said:
We have such a group here in town . There are lots of infants in their cemetery.




I think the adults should be locked up with out food or water and those faithful enough to survive 30 days should be released.

Sacrificing children in the name of Christ is a criminal as it is blasphemous.
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The problem I even had with my friend was that this fellow was as strong as the parents in this 'belief' - so, they all ought to be arrested. I'm not against 'faith', I need to build mine.
 
i have learned that the evos often claim things on christians. im worn out dealing with them here.

origin science is different then operational science.

i wont derail this thread on that debate.
 
my church being pentacostal and teaches and has in its sof that the healing for all men is at the cross. we need to claim it and just believe that we are healed

that isnt my position.however, my church doesnt teach doctors are evil or we shouldnt use medicine, just believe that we can be healed by surgery or supernatural means.

i had ptsd, god told me that and also in the same word by man that he used. he was going to heal me. 5 yrs later i am healed of that. i have been told by pscychatrists and also va docs that i did indeed have it.
 
I don't agree with "faith-only" mentalities. If I'm not mistaken, the Bubonic plague could have largely been detered/avoided if proper sanitation methods had been followed. Practical solutions to save lives, and it's the same today. God's anoints doctors with wisdom to find the cures God has provided in the world he created; I don't see a problem with it. Though I also do believe and have seen God heal miraculously as well, so there is a place for otherwise-unexplainable healings.
 
Classik said:
Not much on those two:sad except the Another faith-healing death of a child puts Oregon City parents on trial
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She lets her own child die, for lack of medicine ,but with her glasses she can see her favorite soap opera just fine...
 
They will argue that the boy's fate was sealed before his conception. They note that Shannon Hickman had a miscarriage a year before David was born and that she did not seek prenatal care when she learned she was pregnant again.
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Fairly lame folks if you ask me. As for the comment quoted above from the article, I do not see how they can even consider using that against them if the state allows abortion.
 
I believe in "faith healing". I also believe in thanking God for giving folks the brains to be doctors! Why cant we have both?

Those who refuse medical treatment for them selves is fine with me, One should not sacrifice their children to the god of pride.
In the case posted here the eye glasses show the hypocrisy.

No where is Scripture do we find Luke gave up his profession. There must be a point to that, as there is to all scripture.
 
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There are many verses in the Bible that mention physician, medicine and health. God has always given us provision for our health to keep us healthy, but the way we treat our body or even by the words of our mouth has caused some to be in poor health. God gave us medicine in every green seed baring plant in Genesis (natural vitamins and nutrient). God also gave us physicians that he can work through to help us when our health declines.

I use to question God all the time why I never received my healing from arthritis, especially when I witnessed others around me receiving their healing. I read and believed (still believe) every verse about healing, but yet none for me, why, because God is showing me that I am bigger than my afflictions and I can overcome anything as long as I remain faithful and humbled before him, as through my afflictions I can still praise His name and let the light of Christ shine through me to help give others hope.

I have had two total knee replacements and need both hips done eventually as arthritis is eating away my joints and all the times I was in the hospital it gave me a chance to witness Christ to others even though they saw my own pain and could not understand how I could praise the Lord through it all. Even my doctor is a man of great faith in the Lord and expresses that through the before and after care of his patients.

The flesh will get sick, will break and will return to the dust of the ground, but it is the Spirit that dwells in us that will never die. It is only a fool that rejects that which was given by God for our well being.
 
Pertaining to the OP, I don't much blame some churches for no-medicine beliefs, as I have the same stance myself, but not for faith reasons. Trauma medicine is OK as compared to the Good Samaritan who would bandage up the wounds of someone attacked is a form of "medicine".

However, like many things that take on a worldly philosophy, the rest of medicine has become highly economically and politically charged, especially "preventative medicine" which drugs are dished out like candy to lower various numbers thus giving the severe delusion a person is healthier as any medication that merely lowers numbers is basically worthless. Even "insurance discounts" are given to people who sheepily obey but in fact the programs are worthless but lines the pockets of drug makers. In that case, I can understand how some churches take this worldly politicking and equate that to lack of faith that serves the enemy.

But on the pragmatic level, I'm not saying there are not truly good Samaritans in medicine.
 
reba said:
I believe in "faith healing". I also believe in thanking God for giving folks the brains to be doctors! Why cant we have both?

Those who refuse medical treatment for them selves is fine with me, One should not sacrifice their children to the god of pride.
In the case posted here the eye glasses show the hypocrisy.

No where is Scripture do we find Luke gave up his profession. There must be a point to that, as there is to all scripture.
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tim-from-pa said:
Pertaining to the OP, I don't much blame some churches for no-medicine beliefs, as I have the same stance myself, but not for faith reasons. Trauma medicine is OK as compared to the Good Samaritan who would bandage up the wounds of someone attacked is a form of "medicine".

However, like many things that take on a worldly philosophy, the rest of medicine has become highly economically and politically charged, especially "preventative medicine" which drugs are dished out like candy to lower various numbers thus giving the severe delusion a person is healthier as any medication that merely lowers numbers is basically worthless. Even "insurance discounts" are given to people who sheepily obey but in fact the programs are worthless but lines the pockets of drug makers. In that case, I can understand how some churches take this worldly politicking and equate that to lack of faith that serves the enemy.

But on the pragmatic level, I'm not saying there are not truly good Samaritans in medicine.
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While I certainly hold no love for pepole who make a mercenary profiteering buisness of saving lives.

Are you suggesting that your opposed to a diabetic getting their insulin?
 
Classik said:
There are some christian churches (and faith) who don't take medicines. It is an abomination to take medicine or be in a hospital......... I think these people are doing the wrong thing.
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Thankfully we all seem to be of one mind on this one.

It is a very good illustration of how people can come to a profound belief that others simply can not understand. They are so absolutely certain that they are right. So sure that they are willing to let themselves and their children die for their beliefs.

Throughout the history of mankind people have been maiming and killing 'for their various Gods'. They were so sure they were right that the were willing to die and let their children die for their beliefs. Such wickedness goes on to this very day.

The faith that I once had, that may have led me to kill for my God, has thankfully deserted me many years ago but millions of people do still have a faith so strong that they are willing to kill for it.

'Faith' is the correct word. Only in the absence of proof can there be 'faith' - i.e. an unproved belief. Despite that, people are willing to do awful things to one another 'for their faith' or 'because of their faith' - such as watch their children die rather than let them have a blood transfusion or stone someone to death for showing their face in public or blow up a bus load of children to protest against a secular government.

At the risk of straying off topic, can anyone explain how an unproven belief (faith) can be so overwhelming that people are willing to kill for that faith? It seems that none of us understand how anyone would 'even' let their child die 'naturally' for their faith but is there some awful thing that you would do, just on the basis of faith? Another 'holy' war perhaps?
 
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