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Noah's ark?

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Here's how it goes......IMHO

1. God is mad and tells the boy's they got 120 years to build the Ark....Noah said "Riiiiiggggght"!....oops sorry that was the old Bill Cosby routine.
2. Noah is hard at it for 120 years....has a "Ark building for dummies" book.
3. The Animals are brought to him....How is this possible? There was only 1 landmass at the time. All of the animals could easily traverse one landmass.
4. The flood comes and goes
5. The Animals split.....and take off to different parts of the landmass
6. The generations of Noah take off to different parts of the landmass
7. Along comes Noah's descendent Peleg....the landmass splits into continents...look it up.....
8. Men and animals are trapped in there respective parts of the world....ie. Australia...that is why animals are indigenous to certain parts of the world in such a short period of time...4500 years or so?

Of course this is George's theory....but it's workable....
 
Georges said:
Here's how it goes......IMHO

1. God is mad and tells the boy's they got 120 years to build the Ark....Noah said "Riiiiiggggght"!....oops sorry that was the old Bill Cosby routine.
2. Noah is hard at it for 120 years....has a "Ark building for dummies" book.
3. The Animals are brought to him....How is this possible? There was only 1 landmass at the time. All of the animals could easily traverse one landmass.
4. The flood comes and goes
5. The Animals split.....and take off to different parts of the landmass
6. The generations of Noah take off to different parts of the landmass
7. Along comes Noah's descendent Peleg....the landmass splits into continents...look it up.....
8. Men and animals are trapped in there respective parts of the world....ie. Australia...that is why animals are indigenous to certain parts of the world in such a short period of time...4500 years or so?

Of course this is George's theory....but it's workable....
Not to bad. But the people did not split up until the Tower Of Babal.
 
Georges said:
Here's how it goes......IMHO

1. God is mad and tells the boy's they got 120 years to build the Ark....Noah said "Riiiiiggggght"!....oops sorry that was the old Bill Cosby routine.
2. Noah is hard at it for 120 years....has a "Ark building for dummies" book.
3. The Animals are brought to him....How is this possible? There was only 1 landmass at the time. All of the animals could easily traverse one landmass.
4. The flood comes and goes
5. The Animals split.....and take off to different parts of the landmass
6. The generations of Noah take off to different parts of the landmass
7. Along comes Noah's descendent Peleg....the landmass splits into continents...look it up.....
8. Men and animals are trapped in there respective parts of the world....ie. Australia...that is why animals are indigenous to certain parts of the world in such a short period of time...4500 years or so?

Of course this is George's theory....but it's workable....

Yeah - I like your sense of humor Georges. :P

I had a bit of a giggle at something that MEC said too:
"First, there WAS a flood. BUT, what we have is only the tip of the iceburg . . ."

You guys crack me up! :lol:
 
Hmmmmm. . . . . . . . God was mad for 120 years? :-?

Why all the theatrics? If everyone else was evil (something I find highly unlikely, since there would have been numerous infants and babies who would not have been), and God wanted to start over, . . . .he's God, so would have had the power to just "drop them with a thought". But for God to "be mad for 120 years", . . . . . . there's something wrong with that thought, isn't there? :-?
 
Lewis W said:
Georges said:
Here's how it goes......IMHO

1. God is mad and tells the boy's they got 120 years to build the Ark....Noah said "Riiiiiggggght"!....oops sorry that was the old Bill Cosby routine.
2. Noah is hard at it for 120 years....has a "Ark building for dummies" book.
3. The Animals are brought to him....How is this possible? There was only 1 landmass at the time. All of the animals could easily traverse one landmass.
4. The flood comes and goes
5. The Animals split.....and take off to different parts of the landmass
6. The generations of Noah take off to different parts of the landmass
7. Along comes Noah's descendent Peleg....the landmass splits into continents...look it up.....
8. Men and animals are trapped in there respective parts of the world....ie. Australia...that is why animals are indigenous to certain parts of the world in such a short period of time...4500 years or so?

Of course this is George's theory....but it's workable....
Not to bad. But the people did not split up until the Tower Of Babal.

Sure they did.....

An interesting thing I heard once....that the elements of Hebrew can be found in every language....I have to research that though....
 
Orion said:
Hmmmmm. . . . . . . . God was mad for 120 years? :-?

Why all the theatrics? If everyone else was evil (something I find highly unlikely, since there would have been numerous infants and babies who would not have been), and God wanted to start over, . . . .he's God, so would have had the power to just "drop them with a thought". But for God to "be mad for 120 years", . . . . . . there's something wrong with that thought, isn't there? :-?

Actually O....it is a picture in a real occurance.....

God was mad....He just gave man 120 years to repent....and get squared away...the opposite happened......

Now....what is the picture event?

Has to do with Jubilee years....a Jubilee happens 1 once every 50 years...1 Jubilee is 50 years...

If you take 120 and times it by 50 you get 6000.

In other words.....120 years by 50 Jubilee years equal 6000 years...

120 years by 1 solar year you get the destruction of the flood and a new rebuilding after that....

120 years by 50 Jubilee's you get 6000 years from Adam until the Great Tribualtion period...after that the Messianic Millennial Kingdom period.

So as you can see the 120 years represent the 6000 years from Adam to the Messianic Kingdom that man has to repent and return to God...after the 6000 years...the destruction of the Tribulation period...
 
So, . . . just more evidence of it being alegory, using numberology to tell a story.

Thanks for the information.
 
Orion said:
So, . . . just more evidence of it being alegory, using numberology to tell a story.

Thanks for the information.

Nah...real story...used to illustrate....

can't really call it an alegory...cause it happened....
 
Orion said:
Hmmmmm. . . . . . . . God was mad for 120 years? :-?

Why all the theatrics? If everyone else was evil (something I find highly unlikely, since there would have been numerous infants and babies who would not have been), and God wanted to start over, . . . .he's God, so would have had the power to just "drop them with a thought". But for God to "be mad for 120 years", . . . . . . there's something wrong with that thought, isn't there? :-?

Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.

Yep. There is something wrong with that thought. 120 years is way short.
Orion, tell me, how is it that God could be calling the wicked to repent for 120 years, and they not respond?
Your God is God thought is correct. Makes me think He has a plan.
Just to think about all the times He could drop us with a thought, makes me so grateful for His mercy and grace. The fact that He has not dropped us, makes me believe His plan is still being played out.
 
To get back on a more serious track ...geological evidence does NOT appear to support a world-wide flood. It just does not. And, this has nothing to do with 'evolution vs Creation', 'atheism vs Christianity' or one's 'having the faith of a mustard seed that can move mountains' ...geological evidence is geological evidence and has no particular religious leaning. What do we do with this evidence ...or rather the LACK of evidence ...for a world-wide flood?
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
Orion said:
Hmmmmm. . . . . . . . God was mad for 120 years? :-?

Why all the theatrics? If everyone else was evil (something I find highly unlikely, since there would have been numerous infants and babies who would not have been), and God wanted to start over, . . . .he's God, so would have had the power to just "drop them with a thought". But for God to "be mad for 120 years", . . . . . . there's something wrong with that thought, isn't there? :-?

Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.

Yep. There is something wrong with that thought. 120 years is way short.
Orion, tell me, how is it that God could be calling the wicked to repent for 120 years, and they not respond?
Your God is God thought is correct. Makes me think He has a plan.
Just to think about all the times He could drop us with a thought, makes me so grateful for His mercy and grace. The fact that He has not dropped us, makes me believe His plan is still being played out.

I'm sorry that you have such an angry god. :roll: But, going along with that thought, . . .God DID have foreknowledge of what was going to happen. How can omniscience be angry when it saw it coming? What was the point of "flooding the entire world" when obviously it had no effect on the outcome of man's "evilness"? Honestly, what WAS the point in that? Especially when VERY soon, the world would, once again, have Budhists in China, and Ra worshippers in Egypt!
 
SputnikBoy said:
To get back on a more serious track ...geological evidence does NOT appear to support a world-wide flood. It just does not. And, this has nothing to do with 'evolution vs Creation', 'atheism vs Christianity' or one's 'having the faith of a mustard seed that can move mountains' ...geological evidence is geological evidence and has no particular religious leaning. What do we do with this evidence ...or rather the LACK of evidence ...for a world-wide flood?

Sput...there was only on landmass....shorter area to cover with water....
 
The Pangea supercontinent was a couple hundred million years ago. If you want to place the flood in that time period, then you have my support.

They separated WELL before species began taking up dominence in certain parts of the globe. This is why the "after the flood land bridges" theory is complete bunk, the fact that Australia has no indiginous placental animals, but many forms of marsupials is evidence of this.
 
Orion said:
The Pangea supercontinent was a couple hundred million years ago. If you want to place the flood in that time period, then you have my support.

They separated WELL before species began taking up dominence in certain parts of the globe. This is why the "after the flood land bridges" theory is complete bunk, the fact that Australia has no indiginous placental animals, but many forms of marsupials is evidence of this.
WHAT' 100 Million Years Ago, the earth is nowhere near that age, you better try 6000 to 10,000 years old.
 
Orion said:
The Pangea supercontinent was a couple hundred million years ago. If you want to place the flood in that time period, then you have my support.

They separated WELL before species began taking up dominence in certain parts of the globe. This is why the "after the flood land bridges" theory is complete bunk, the fact that Australia has no indiginous placental animals, but many forms of marsupials is evidence of this.


I personally think the "Gap Theory" is viable...but this age of the earth is only 6000 years or so from Gen 1:2. Better be around 6000 years...I'm counting on going into the Messianic Kingdom while I'm still alive... :D

And a continental split causing animals and people to become indiginous is very viable...once the split is made, micro-evolution can take place within 6 generations...a hereditary race can be accomplished with isolation in as little as 6 generations....
 
The gap theory is only supported by liberal theologians who feel they need to understand Gods totality. In other words they believe in evil-ution
 
Georges said:
Orion said:
The Pangea supercontinent was a couple hundred million years ago. If you want to place the flood in that time period, then you have my support.

They separated WELL before species began taking up dominence in certain parts of the globe. This is why the "after the flood land bridges" theory is complete bunk, the fact that Australia has no indiginous placental animals, but many forms of marsupials is evidence of this.


I personally think the "Gap Theory" is viable...but this age of the earth is only 6000 years or so from Gen 1:2. Better be around 6000 years...I'm counting on going into the Messianic Kingdom while I'm still alive... :D

And a continental split causing animals and people to become indiginous is very viable...once the split is made, micro-evolution can take place within 6 generations...a hereditary race can be accomplished with isolation in as little as 6 generations....

Do you really think that placental animals, like those of the cat or canine family, would have not gained dominance in Australia too? How can you have all the placental animals fail to remain viable there? :-?
 
I forgot that I had this on my site, and I might have posted it over here too, but I don't remember.

Satellite sleuth closes in on Noah's Ark mystery
By Leonard David, Space.com
High on Mt. Ararat in eastern Turkey, there is a baffling mountainside "anomaly," a feature that one researcher claims may be something of biblical proportions.

Images taken by aircraft, intelligence-gathering satellites and commercial remote-sensing spacecraft are fueling an intensive study of the intriguing oddity. But whether the anomaly is some geological quirk of nature, playful shadows, a human-made structure of some sort, or simply nothing at all  that remains to be seen.

Whatever it is, the anomaly of interest rests at 15,300 feet (4,663 meters) on the northwest corner of Mt. Ararat, and is nearly submerged in glacial ice. It would be easy to call it merely a strange rock formation.

But at least one man wonders if it could be the remains of Noah's Ark  a vessel said to have been built to save people and selected animals from the Great Flood, the 40 days and 40 nights of deluge as detailed in the Book of Genesis.

The Genesis blueprint of the Ark detailed the structure as 6:1 length to width ratio (300 cubits by 50 cubits). The anomaly, as viewed by satellite, is close to that 6:1 proportion.

Newfound optimism

Identifying the Ararat anomaly has been a 13-year-long quest of Porcher Taylor, an associate professor in paralegal studies at the University of Richmond's School of Continuing Studies in Virginia.

Taylor has been a national security analyst for more than 30 years, also serving as a senior associate for five years at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington, D.C.

"I've got newfound optimism ... as far as my continuing push to have the intelligence community declassify some of the more definitive-type imagery," Taylor told Space.com. He points to a "new and significant development," a high-resolution image taken by DigitalGlobe's impressive QuickBird satellite and shown here publicly for the first time.

"I'm calling this my satellite archeology project," Taylor said. It's an effort that has now included use of QuickBird, GeoEye's Ikonos spacecraft, Canada's Radarsat 1, as well as declassified aerial and satellite images taken by the various U.S. intelligence agencies.

Making the mountain transparent

Taylor said his goal is straightforward: Combining this imagery to make the Ararat anomaly transparent to the public, as well as to the discerning, dispassionate eyes of scientists, imagery analysts, and other experts.

"I had no preconceived notions or agendas when I began this in 1993 as to what I was looking for," Taylor said.

As for the saga of Noah's Ark, he is quick to note that there are those who say it is fable while some take it as truth.

Nevertheless, the anomaly may not be a ridge line of ice, snow and possibly rock, but an artificial ridge line, Taylor said. "I maintain that if it is the remains of something manmade and potentially nautical, then it's potentially something of biblical proportions."

While chiding the intelligence communities to release more of their closely guarded satellite imagery, Taylor said that soon-to-fly commercial remote sensing spacecraft are sure to help his archeological undertaking.

"We've got three new birds that are going up. I'm using all my clout, rapport and lobbying to, hopefully, have them at least fly calibration runs over Mt. Ararat," Taylor said. Those images would make the mountain even more transparent, he said.

Will it float?

Meanwhile, Taylor has an ever-expanding network of experts to help tease out the truth about the anomaly.

For example, satellite imagery analyst Rod Franz of SunTek Media Group/RiteImage, Inc., located in Henderson, Nevada, has taken a look at imagery provided by Taylor of the Ararat anomaly and carried out additional analysis of the area. As director of training for the firm, Franz sharpened his skills by serving nearly 25 years as a military intelligence imagery analyst.

For the anomaly assessment, the same software tools used for studying government and commercial remote sensing data were employed, Franz told Space.com. Ground distances and scales of the anomaly were determined. That software also has the ability to adjust brightness, haze, sharpness, contrast and other factors of the area of interest, he said.

"Along with many other image manipulation functions ... I also used the pseudo-color function trying to determine if I could detect anything under the ice and snow," Franz said.

The face of the anomaly measured 1,015 feet (309 meters) across, Franz said. "I also found the shape of the anomaly appears to fit on a circle. I am not sure what this means, if anything, but I find it curious."

Given that length, Taylor pointed out, the anomaly dwarfs the Titanic and Bismarck in size, and equals the size of the largest modern aircraft carrier. That analysis would seem to call into question whether the anomaly is a wooden ship and raises a key question: If a boat were truly that huge, would it float?

There are also experts in remote sensing who offer a skeptical view.

"Image interpretation is an art," said Farouk El-Baz, Director of the Boston University Center for Remote Sensing.

"One has to be familiar with sun lighting effects on the shape of observed features," El-Baz said. "Very slight changes in slope modify shadow shapes that affect the interpretations. Up to this time, all the images I have seen can be interpreted as natural landforms. The feature that has been interpreted as the 'Ararat Anomaly' is to me a ledge of rock in partial shadow, with varied thickness of snow and ice cover.

Visual truth serum

Thanks to more satellite imagery in the offing, as well as other studies underway, Taylor said his remote archeological research is on the upswing.

There is an ultimate end-game. That is, on-the-spot ground truth. Taylor hopes his research findings will catalyze a top-notch expedition to the area. "It is whatever it is," he said.

But for now, satellite remote sensing to carry out archeological "digs" from space will fill in for an in-the-field expedition.

Just a few weeks ago, for example, NASA scientists utilizing space- and aircraft-based remote sensing hardware and techniques uncovered Maya ruins hidden in the rainforests of Central America for more than 1,000 years.

"For explorers, imagery from GeoEye's Ikonos satellite married with Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite data has become as indispensable as water and freeze dried food for any expedition. One does not want to leave home without it," said Mark Brender, GeoEye Vice President for communications and marketing, headquartered in Dulles, Virginia.

For researchers, imagery from space like those provided by GeoEye provides "the ultimate high shot" and a contextual view you could never get from observations on the ground or even from a plane, Brender told Space.com. "It's visual truth serum."
 
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