Noah's ark?

[Lewis]

And like I said it was just one large land mass at that time, the flood was world wide. Take a look at eastern South America and western Africa and you can still see that they were connected at one time. And one more thing you just can't believe some of the Bible, you have to believe the whole Bible.

Hey Lewis. What up? 8-) I sort of believe the same thing. It is interesring to note that diamond mining on both continents are done on practically the same latitude line. Something to think about.

Ok, lets have some fun. One land mass that somehow seperated. What caused them to seperate? When did they start to seperate? At what rate did they seperate? What caused them to stop seperating or are they still in motion? :-D

When the rain was done, and God wanted land to reappear, He started making changes in the earth, pushing up land and lowering the floor under water to create water run off. I wish I can find those pictures of some of the mountains where you can see that God pushed them up while they were still in a plastic like state. I will see if i can find them on line. The book God Of Creation, by Theodore H. Epp, is great for this particular subject, when you read that book you will never view this stuff the same, I'll tell you that. And yes tectonic plates are always moving, but not enough to drift half way across the planet. It takes divine intervention for that. And I have had the book by Epps since around 96 or 97 so it is cheap now about 5 bucks at this link,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... K?v=glance

 

[Imagican]

You guys have absoulutely NO evidence of 'YOUR' beliefs WHATSOEVER. You have taken a story that you readily admit is NOT COMPLETE and indicate that it IS. There is MUCH that is NOT answered in the Word concerning the beginning of mankind upon this planet. It's REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

The longer we have to study it the MORE WE WILL LEARN. As I've stated before; you guys all have microwave ovens, automobiles, satalite televisions whose signal is broadcast from 22,000 miles above the Earth, cell phones that enable you to communicate with ANYONE on the Planet instantaneous, medicines that treat ALMOST every ailment known to mankind, and ALL OF THIS was created by 'science'. Much of it the SAME science that has PROVEN that the Earth is MUCH older than a mere ten thousand years. We have discovered the relics of man that PREDATE the ability to cultivate. Men that used the most rudimentary of tools. The fossil skulls of MEN that are 'different' than those of man NOW. And we have found that these exist in older order in THAT part of the World that we KNOW IS the cradle of civilization. Africa, middle east, Europe. We have also found that the oldest remains we've found on THIS continent date back a mere 13-25,000 years.

These are FACTS that you would simply assume away because they don't
'fit' your 'theology'. You would deny the 'truth' for the 'sake' of a 'religion'. There is NOTHING in God's Word that denies ANYTHING that EXSISTS. Reality IS reality whether one 'admits it' or not.

I suppose that the mathematics that enable us to understand physics ISN'T reality either? Or our understanding of 'gravity' doesn't REALLY exist? Such a shame when one insists upon denial for the simply sake of MISUNDERSTANDING. It does NOT have to be this way. God gave us the ablility to UNDERSTAND when we were created IN HIS IMAGE. To limit this simply because you have 'made up your mind' and the FACTS don't agree with your limited understanding.

Carbon dating is NOT perfect. But, like ANY part of science, NOTHING IS. But, it is ONE way of dating objects that DOES have a reliability ABOVE ZERO. Those that insist that is is ABSOLUTELY unable to measure ANYTHING accurately look COMPLETELY foolish when you will accept ALL the OTHER science, but DENY this study of geology COMPLETELY simply because it doesn't fit YOUR PERSONAL limited understanding. Shame, shame my friends. The TRUTH is that YOU don't know ANYTHING about the creation of this planet or the amount of TIME that it's been here. You have made assumptions that you had NO information to make. And even when you are GIVEN the information, you STILL deny it for the sake of what you have been 'taught by OTHER men', (the churches). The churches have been WRONG more than they have EVER BEEN RIGHT. I am NOT refering to THE CHURCH, but the churches of MEN.

Let it go and STOP hindering your brothers and sisters that you alienate with your archaic understanding and simply accept the FACT that your understanding is BASELESS. Yes, the Words of the Bible ARE TRUE. But that does NOT take away ANYTHING that is FACT. The sciences and the Bible COMPLIMENT each other. The sciences PROVE that the World WAS created. MOST scientist will AGREE with this. We have CREATED NOTHING. We have simply DISCOVERED the nature of God's CREATION. You belittle yourselves and the FATHER HIMSELF when you deny the 'truth'. He gave us a MIND in order to UNDERSTAND things. Use it. Yes, our mission here SHOULD be to HELP each other. Sadly there are those that see life as nothing more than what kind of a 'name' they can make for themselves. But that does NOT mean that we can't benefit from their discoveries. As stated previous; you all have your cell phones, and DVRs, and digital cameras, and chemicals and diamonds and ..................................... All of which were created BY SCIENCE. Are you ALL oblivious to the 'truth'? Well, the TRUTH is that the UNDERSTANDING of Moses was WRONG. Actually we don't even know HOW much of his time was ever spent 'trying' to understand ANYTHING other than how to govern his people properly. So HIS understanding of the history of the World MAY NOT have even been concerned with TIME.

The Bible states that ONE DAY to God can be as a thousand years. Don't you get it? The earth was NOT created in SIX of OUR days. The EARTH took millions and millions of years to become stable and become prepared for man. And not a SINGLE statement that I have made takes away from the WORD at all. Just the Word as you have come to understand it. That doesn't make YOUR way the only way or even the RIGHT way.

MEC

 

[Relic]

Gabbylittleangel, you aren't Lewis!...are you? :-D

Ok, from what you and Lewis posted, we ruled out continental drift. 8-)

I think we're getting off topic maybe... unless anyone cares to continue. It seems to be where this topic headed and I guess it's related to the flood. :smt102

In this case.....

Go with the flow.....

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That is, for the sake of the edumacation of that squirrel and that skunk that barely caught the boat!

:wink:

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[Vic C.]

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

 

[Lewis]

You guys have absoulutely NO evidence of 'YOUR' beliefs WHATSOEVER. You have taken a story that you readily admit is NOT COMPLETE and indicate that it IS. There is MUCH that is NOT answered in the Word concerning the beginning of mankind upon this planet. It's REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

The longer we have to study it the MORE WE WILL LEARN. As I've stated before; you guys all have microwave ovens, automobiles, satalite televisions whose signal is broadcast from 22,000 miles above the Earth, cell phones that enable you to communicate with ANYONE on the Planet instantaneous, medicines that treat ALMOST every ailment known to mankind, and ALL OF THIS was created by 'science'. Much of it the SAME science that has PROVEN that the Earth is MUCH older than a mere ten thousand years. We have discovered the relics of man that PREDATE the ability to cultivate. Men that used the most rudimentary of tools. The fossil skulls of MEN that are 'different' than those of man NOW. And we have found that these exist in older order in THAT part of the World that we KNOW IS the cradle of civilization. Africa, middle east, Europe. We have also found that the oldest remains we've found on THIS continent date back a mere 13-25,000 years.

These are FACTS that you would simply assume away because they don't
'fit' your 'theology'. You would deny the 'truth' for the 'sake' of a 'religion'. There is NOTHING in God's Word that denies ANYTHING that EXSISTS. Reality IS reality whether one 'admits it' or not.

I suppose that the mathematics that enable us to understand physics ISN'T reality either? Or our understanding of 'gravity' doesn't REALLY exist? Such a shame when one insists upon denial for the simply sake of MISUNDERSTANDING. It does NOT have to be this way. God gave us the ablility to UNDERSTAND when we were created IN HIS IMAGE. To limit this simply because you have 'made up your mind' and the FACTS don't agree with your limited understanding.

Carbon dating is NOT perfect. But, like ANY part of science, NOTHING IS. But, it is ONE way of dating objects that DOES have a reliability ABOVE ZERO. Those that insist that is is ABSOLUTELY unable to measure ANYTHING accurately look COMPLETELY foolish when you will accept ALL the OTHER science, but DENY this study of geology COMPLETELY simply because it doesn't fit YOUR PERSONAL limited understanding. Shame, shame my friends. The TRUTH is that YOU don't know ANYTHING about the creation of this planet or the amount of TIME that it's been here. You have made assumptions that you had NO information to make. And even when you are GIVEN the information, you STILL deny it for the sake of what you have been 'taught by OTHER men', (the churches). The churches have been WRONG more than they have EVER BEEN RIGHT. I am NOT refering to THE CHURCH, but the churches of MEN.

Let it go and STOP hindering your brothers and sisters that you alienate with your archaic understanding and simply accept the FACT that your understanding is BASELESS. Yes, the Words of the Bible ARE TRUE. But that does NOT take away ANYTHING that is FACT. The sciences and the Bible COMPLIMENT each other. The sciences PROVE that the World WAS created. MOST scientist will AGREE with this. We have CREATED NOTHING. We have simply DISCOVERED the nature of God's CREATION. You belittle yourselves and the FATHER HIMSELF when you deny the 'truth'. He gave us a MIND in order to UNDERSTAND things. Use it. Yes, our mission here SHOULD be to HELP each other. Sadly there are those that see life as nothing more than what kind of a 'name' they can make for themselves. But that does NOT mean that we can't benefit from their discoveries. As stated previous; you all have your cell phones, and DVRs, and digital cameras, and chemicals and diamonds and ..................................... All of which were created BY SCIENCE. Are you ALL oblivious to the 'truth'? Well, the TRUTH is that the UNDERSTANDING of Moses was WRONG. Actually we don't even know HOW much of his time was ever spent 'trying' to understand ANYTHING other than how to govern his people properly. So HIS understanding of the history of the World MAY NOT have even been concerned with TIME.

The Bible states that ONE DAY to God can be as a thousand years. Don't you get it? The earth was NOT created in SIX of OUR days. The EARTH took millions and millions of years to become stable and become prepared for man. And not a SINGLE statement that I have made takes away from the WORD at all. Just the Word as you have come to understand it. That doesn't make YOUR way the only way or even the RIGHT way.

MEC

Well believe what you will, I do not feel like debating with you or anybody else today, this board can sometimes wear you down, everytime you turn around you have to debate, well today I don't feel like it. Today I want some peace. I just posted what I have studied and found out on this subject over the years, and that is all.

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

You guys have absoulutely NO evidence of 'YOUR' beliefs WHATSOEVER. You have taken a story that you readily admit is NOT COMPLETE and indicate that it IS. There is MUCH that is NOT answered in the Word concerning the beginning of mankind upon this planet. It's REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

The longer we have to study it the MORE WE WILL LEARN. As I've stated before; you guys all have microwave ovens, automobiles, satalite televisions whose signal is broadcast from 22,000 miles above the Earth, cell phones that enable you to communicate with ANYONE on the Planet instantaneous, medicines that treat ALMOST every ailment known to mankind, and ALL OF THIS was created by 'science'. Much of it the SAME science that has PROVEN that the Earth is MUCH older than a mere ten thousand years. We have discovered the relics of man that PREDATE the ability to cultivate. Men that used the most rudimentary of tools. The fossil skulls of MEN that are 'different' than those of man NOW. And we have found that these exist in older order in THAT part of the World that we KNOW IS the cradle of civilization. Africa, middle east, Europe. We have also found that the oldest remains we've found on THIS continent date back a mere 13-25,000 years.

These are FACTS that you would simply assume away because they don't
'fit' your 'theology'. You would deny the 'truth' for the 'sake' of a 'religion'. There is NOTHING in God's Word that denies ANYTHING that EXSISTS. Reality IS reality whether one 'admits it' or not.

I suppose that the mathematics that enable us to understand physics ISN'T reality either? Or our understanding of 'gravity' doesn't REALLY exist? Such a shame when one insists upon denial for the simply sake of MISUNDERSTANDING. It does NOT have to be this way. God gave us the ablility to UNDERSTAND when we were created IN HIS IMAGE. To limit this simply because you have 'made up your mind' and the FACTS don't agree with your limited understanding.

Carbon dating is NOT perfect. But, like ANY part of science, NOTHING IS. But, it is ONE way of dating objects that DOES have a reliability ABOVE ZERO. Those that insist that is is ABSOLUTELY unable to measure ANYTHING accurately look COMPLETELY foolish when you will accept ALL the OTHER science, but DENY this study of geology COMPLETELY simply because it doesn't fit YOUR PERSONAL limited understanding. Shame, shame my friends. The TRUTH is that YOU don't know ANYTHING about the creation of this planet or the amount of TIME that it's been here. You have made assumptions that you had NO information to make. And even when you are GIVEN the information, you STILL deny it for the sake of what you have been 'taught by OTHER men', (the churches). The churches have been WRONG more than they have EVER BEEN RIGHT. I am NOT refering to THE CHURCH, but the churches of MEN.

Let it go and STOP hindering your brothers and sisters that you alienate with your archaic understanding and simply accept the FACT that your understanding is BASELESS. Yes, the Words of the Bible ARE TRUE. But that does NOT take away ANYTHING that is FACT. The sciences and the Bible COMPLIMENT each other. The sciences PROVE that the World WAS created. MOST scientist will AGREE with this. We have CREATED NOTHING. We have simply DISCOVERED the nature of God's CREATION. You belittle yourselves and the FATHER HIMSELF when you deny the 'truth'. He gave us a MIND in order to UNDERSTAND things. Use it. Yes, our mission here SHOULD be to HELP each other. Sadly there are those that see life as nothing more than what kind of a 'name' they can make for themselves. But that does NOT mean that we can't benefit from their discoveries. As stated previous; you all have your cell phones, and DVRs, and digital cameras, and chemicals and diamonds and ..................................... All of which were created BY SCIENCE. Are you ALL oblivious to the 'truth'? Well, the TRUTH is that the UNDERSTANDING of Moses was WRONG. Actually we don't even know HOW much of his time was ever spent 'trying' to understand ANYTHING other than how to govern his people properly. So HIS understanding of the history of the World MAY NOT have even been concerned with TIME.

The Bible states that ONE DAY to God can be as a thousand years. Don't you get it? The earth was NOT created in SIX of OUR days. The EARTH took millions and millions of years to become stable and become prepared for man. And not a SINGLE statement that I have made takes away from the WORD at all. Just the Word as you have come to understand it. That doesn't make YOUR way the only way or even the RIGHT way.

MEC

You are, in my opinion, the wisest man on these forums

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

Gabbylittleangel, you aren't Lewis!...are you? :-D

Ok, from what you and Lewis posted, we ruled out continental drift. 8-)

I think we're getting off topic maybe... unless anyone cares to continue. It seems to be where this topic headed and I guess it's related to the flood. :smt102

In this case.....

Go with the flow.....

~
~~
~~~
~~~~~~~
~~~
~~
~

That is, for the sake of the edumacation of that squirrel and that skunk that barely caught the boat!

:wink:

.

Notice the arc has taken much flood damage from the 5,000,000+ animals that magically fit onto the arc...

 

[Imagican]

Dalen,

There was ONCE a time that I would consider your words to be a compliment. That was when I thought that I WAS a wise man. Since I have learned that NOTHING that I can create myself is worth ANYTHING in any way that matters.

What many fail to realize though is that in 'truth' there is ONLY ONE. And theirs, quite often' is only a small 'piece of the truth'. Usually it's enough for them. NOT for me however and my 'search' has led to more profound undertanding than many are willing to accept for the simple nature of 'followers'. Those that willingly 'choose' to follow are left with 'being led'. If they are led by those that are COMPETENT leaders, then there's NOT a problem. The PROBLEM is when the leaders are NOT compitent. It is THEN that understanding plays the most crucial part.

Many believe that if they insist ENOUGH, that thier 'views' WILL be accepted by 'enough'. And this IS true. No matter how factual or realistic, if someone has the charisma and fortitude, there ARE those that WILL follow them. The error in this situation is that there IS only ONE truth. And there is NO guarantee that the one that is followed has ANY inkling of it whatsoever. Kind of like the Don Henley song, I just have to 'look' good I don't have to speak clear', (lot's of wisdom to be gained through song, just got to be careful 'how' you use it). Some people are NATURAL leaders and WILL be followed NO MATTER how EVIL their intent.

So, this is where we find ourselves. Stuck in the rut that was created by those that lived thousands of years ago. Given God's Word but NOT truly understanding it. And trying to maintain their 'stories' without understanding thousands of years later.

MEC

 

[Lewis]

All The Fountains Of The Deep (#20010625)
by John Morris, Ph.D.

“In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened†(Genesis 7:11).

Our text describes the primary physical causes for the flood of Noah’s day, as well as the primary sources for the vast waters which covered the earth. The first source is very interesting from a geological point of view, and to grasp some semblance of its meaning is necessary if we would understand the flood.

As the “deep†in Scripture usually refers to the ocean (i.e., Genesis 1:2), so the “great deep†which was “broken up†evidently speaks of great subterranean reservoirs or chambers deep inside the earth, all of which spewed forth their contents at the same time. This breakup continued all over the earth for 150 days (see Genesis 7:11; 7:24; 8:2).

The reference to “broken up†merits attention, for it implies a wrenching of the earth’s crust, a great tectonic event. The same word is used in Numbers 16:30–33 to describe the supernatural opening up of a great pit into which the rebellious Korah and his followers and their families fell, thereby squelching their mutiny against Moses’ leadership.

Any such breaching of the earth’s crust results in earthquakes and if occurring under water, results in devastating tsunamis (sometimes called tidal waves) traveling through the water at speeds approaching the speed of sound. Continued pulsation of these fountains all over the earth for 150 days would totally restructure the surface of the earth, demonstrating God’s hatred for the sin of the antediluvian world. Coupled with the other factors involved in the flood, it is no wonder that “the world that then was, being overflowed with water, pershed†(II Peter 3:6). JDM
http://www.icr.org/article/18183/

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Gabbylittleangel, you aren't Lewis!...are you? :-D

Nope. But thanks for the compliment.

 

[Lewis]

This is a good article I do have a problem with the earth being square, even though the Bible uses the term 4 corners gabby and vic. but anyway check it out. But let me know what you think, when I come back home today, I want to get deeper into this.
http://www.biblediscoveries.com/creation2.html

http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood2.html

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

the Bible uses the term 4 corners gabby and vic. but anyway check it out.

I found a Q&A in a Sunday Newspaper insert once. I wish I had the source if the information, but I clipped that portion of the article, and stuck it in my Bible.
The question was about scientist back in the 1950s who mapped out the surface of the earth. They mentioned that they found high points (bulges in the planet).

The answer shows a line drawing. It is a circle representing the earth. In the circle, there is a dotted line that shows a triangle to three points on the circle, and a fourth point that is in the center of the circle. (Four points total)

"The early data showed four high spots that would correspond roughly to a tetrahedron if you connected the points right through the planet.

The person that answered this says that four is the maximum number of spots that can be located on a sphere, and the each spot is the same distance (traveling on the surface) from every other spot."

I googled the word tetrahedron. It is a sort of pyramid shape. Anyway, I thought it was interesting.

Oh WOW! :o
I wrote this before I clicked on the links that Lewis posted. My mouth dropped open when I scrolled down the page and saw that drawing of the New Jerusalem!!

Hey Lewis! Check out the math website that came up when I googled tetrahedron. I would suggest skipping the math lesson, unless you are interested in that sort of thing.Scroll down and look at some of the drawings.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Tetrahedron.html

 

[unred typo]

Imagican wrote: As stated previous; you all have your cell phones, and DVRs, and digital cameras, and chemicals and diamonds and ..................................... All of which were created BY SCIENCE. Are you ALL oblivious to the 'truth'? Well, the TRUTH is that the UNDERSTANDING of Moses was WRONG.

No, the Bible says that in the latter days, knowledge shall be increased. God is allowing man to make advancements in technology to fulfill this prophesy to give us a heads-up that the second coming is eminent. “SCIENCE†is just taking the credit for it. Jesus said that if you had believed Moses, you would have believed him. Another prophesy is that Satan in his desperation, knowing the end is near, will devise cunning fables that are so believable that they will deceive even the elect if it would be possible.

Imagican wrote: Many believe that if they insist ENOUGH, that thier 'views' WILL be accepted by 'enough'. And this IS true. No matter how factual or realistic, if someone has the charisma and fortitude, there ARE those that WILL follow them. The error in this situation is that there IS only ONE truth. And there is NO guarantee that the one that is followed has ANY inkling of it whatsoever. Kind of like the Don Henley song, I just have to 'look' good I don't have to speak clear', (lot's of wisdom to be gained through song, just got to be careful 'how' you use it). Some people are NATURAL leaders and WILL be followed NO MATTER how EVIL their intent.

This is true. Why don’t you stop worshipping the “SCIENCE†and take a good hard look at the so-called proof? Everything they have would turn to dust and blow away if you consider that the entire dating system is bogus. If there were some massive emissions or galactic fallout that bombarded the earth in the past; during, after or before the flood, the whole idea that the decay rate of isotopes remains constant, fails miserably. Lake varves and tree ring methods are ridiculously unbelievable. The geological column is best explained by the Genesis account and the account in Jasher, when those are reasonably understood.

 

[Lewis]

Imagican wrote: As stated previous; you all have your cell phones, and DVRs, and digital cameras, and chemicals and diamonds and ..................................... All of which were created BY SCIENCE. Are you ALL oblivious to the 'truth'? Well, the TRUTH is that the UNDERSTANDING of Moses was WRONG.

Yes God allows man as time moves on, to advance' God could have let us have it all at once. But man's head would have really swelled up, much bigger than it has now. And man would really think that he is God, which many do now. But ok let us not go off topic here, let's stay on course with the subject.

 

[Imagican]

Once again unred, you offer that it is YOU that worships without admission. I readily admit that I have 'become' a 'part' of this world and it's luxury. I deny it NOT IN THE LEAST. But, as to 'buying into lies', I do MY BEST to WEED out the lies and insert instead TRUTH. It is the traditionalist that has 'bought into the 'game' of 'being a 'Christian'. The churches teach one thing, yet the Word is another entirely. The churches have been WRONG since 'their' inception. It has been proven over and over and THIS IS the cause of SO MANY different denominations at the point we find ourselves RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE. If ANY ONE OF THEM had found THE TRUTH, there would ONLY BE THAT ONE. Since there are SO many, you do me the honor and tell us WHICH one IS THE TRUTH?

Now, MY science is NOT to be worshiped. ONLY UNDERSTOOD. And to accept what man has discovered is NOT to worship it. We understand the nature of MUCH of nature today that was completely without understanding just a few hundred years ago. It took civilization and TIME to allow those that choose to SPEND their time in study. This was NOT a luxury afforded man of the PAST. With the time and effort man has been able to discover MUCH of the nature of creation. While God simply stated that man was formed from DUST, we NOW know WHAT dust is comprised of and its molecular makeup even. Just a few hundred years ago man was oblivious to ANYTHING microscopic. Now man has advanced his learning, (knowledge), to the point that he is able to make MICROSCOPIC MACHINES. Get it? The TRUTH IS THE TRUTH whether one accepts it AS TRUTH OR NOT. I simply choose to accept truth as it is offered and NOT as the churches may dictate.

MEC

 

[LittleNipper]

Once again unred, you offer that it is YOU that worships without admission. I readily admit that I have 'become' a 'part' of this world and it's luxury. I deny it NOT IN THE LEAST. But, as to 'buying into lies', I do MY BEST to WEED out the lies and insert instead TRUTH. It is the traditionalist that has 'bought into the 'game' of 'being a 'Christian'. The churches teach one thing, yet the Word is another entirely. The churches have been WRONG since 'their' inception. It has been proven over and over and THIS IS the cause of SO MANY different denominations at the point we find ourselves RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE. If ANY ONE OF THEM had found THE TRUTH, there would ONLY BE THAT ONE. Since there are SO many, you do me the honor and tell us WHICH one IS THE TRUTH?

Now, MY science is NOT to be worshiped. ONLY UNDERSTOOD. And to accept what man has discovered is NOT to worship it. We understand the nature of MUCH of nature today that was completely without understanding just a few hundred years ago. It took civilization and TIME to allow those that choose to SPEND their time in study. This was NOT a luxury afforded man of the PAST. With the time and effort man has been able to discover MUCH of the nature of creation. While God simply stated that man was formed from DUST, we NOW know WHAT dust is comprised of and its molecular makeup even. Just a few hundred years ago man was oblivious to ANYTHING microscopic. Now man has advanced his learning, (knowledge), to the point that he is able to make MICROSCOPIC MACHINES. Get it? The TRUTH IS THE TRUTH whether one accepts it AS TRUTH OR NOT. I simply choose to accept truth as it is offered and NOT as the churches may dictate.

MEC

There are not lots of denominations because they are all founded on lies. Some are founded on lies. I feel the Mormon organization is a prime example. Many churches are named because of the way they sprang into existence. The Lutheran church, The Moravian church, the Methodist church, the Brethren church, the Baptist church. Each one grew under different circumstances at different times and in different parts of the world. They all are founded on the ROCK of CHRIST and the Gospel message. The Bible is suppose to be our standard. Various denominations have strayed as they have leaned less on Divine Revelation and placed more faith in the logic of men's self education and man's scientific theories. Theories are acceptable only as long as they can stand up to the light. The problem today is that that light has been removed from public education at large and made to appear inferior to men's understanding by that expulsion.....

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

...Wonder if there were any Tyrannosaurs on Noahs Ark.
...If so, how did he fight them off?
...Maybe with a staff?




:smt075

 

[Imagican]

Once again unred, you offer that it is YOU that worships without admission. I readily admit that I have 'become' a 'part' of this world and it's luxury. I deny it NOT IN THE LEAST. But, as to 'buying into lies', I do MY BEST to WEED out the lies and insert instead TRUTH. It is the traditionalist that has 'bought into the 'game' of 'being a 'Christian'. The churches teach one thing, yet the Word is another entirely. The churches have been WRONG since 'their' inception. It has been proven over and over and THIS IS the cause of SO MANY different denominations at the point we find ourselves RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE. If ANY ONE OF THEM had found THE TRUTH, there would ONLY BE THAT ONE. Since there are SO many, you do me the honor and tell us WHICH one IS THE TRUTH?

Now, MY science is NOT to be worshiped. ONLY UNDERSTOOD. And to accept what man has discovered is NOT to worship it. We understand the nature of MUCH of nature today that was completely without understanding just a few hundred years ago. It took civilization and TIME to allow those that choose to SPEND their time in study. This was NOT a luxury afforded man of the PAST. With the time and effort man has been able to discover MUCH of the nature of creation. While God simply stated that man was formed from DUST, we NOW know WHAT dust is comprised of and its molecular makeup even. Just a few hundred years ago man was oblivious to ANYTHING microscopic. Now man has advanced his learning, (knowledge), to the point that he is able to make MICROSCOPIC MACHINES. Get it? The TRUTH IS THE TRUTH whether one accepts it AS TRUTH OR NOT. I simply choose to accept truth as it is offered and NOT as the churches may dictate.

MEC

There are not lots of denominations because they are all founded on lies. Some are founded on lies. I feel the Mormon organization is a prime example. Many churches are named because of the way they sprang into existence. The Lutheran church, The Moravian church, the Methodist church, the Brethren church, the Baptist church. Each one grew under different circumstances at different times and in different parts of the world. They all are founded on the ROCK of CHRIST and the Gospel message. The Bible is suppose to be our standard. Various denominations have strayed as they have leaned less on Divine Revelation and placed more faith in the logic of men's self education and man's scientific theories. Theories are acceptable only as long as they can stand up to the light. The problem today is that that light has been removed from public education at large and made to appear inferior to men's understanding by that expulsion.....

And light ONLY does one good if they use it to SEE. Denial for the sake of misunderstanding is NOT LIGHT. It's just simply ignorance. For once one 'begins' to see, there is MUCH less denial of the 'truth'.

MEC

 

[Imagican]

oh, and Nipper, shed some light for the rest of us: Which denomination/s ARE based on the 'truth'? Which one/s can we place our faith in?

MEC

 

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Imagican wrote: If ANY ONE OF THEM had found THE TRUTH, there would ONLY BE THAT ONE. Since there are SO many, you do me the honor and tell us WHICH one IS THE TRUTH?

Finding the truth of the past events of geology is about like trying to put together the city of New Orleans using all the original materials and no plans. Knock yourself out. I can make reasonable explanations from the evidence presented, based on the actual accounts from the Bible and the book of Jasher. What difference does it make to reconstruct the past? About as important as finding and labeling every brick of every building washed away by Katrina. Other than trying to prove the Bible false, I can’t imagine why anyone cares. Help me out here.
Do you think there’s going to be a test before you may enter the pearly gates?


Imagican wrote: The TRUTH IS THE TRUTH whether one accepts it AS TRUTH OR NOT. I simply choose to accept truth as it is offered and NOT as the churches may dictate.

I really don’t see the churches as dictating any particular version of the Genesis account. Everyone is pretty much entitled to their own opinion. If you want to believe that you are a descendant of a common ape like creature, or whatever, that truly is your problem. That is not what the Bible was written about. It’s almost a footnote in the whole scope of things. We can discuss it without CAPS even. It’s fun to speculate, and figure out the puzzle, but certainly not the huge deal some (those who acquire huge grants to study it) may want to make of it.
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