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[__ Science __ ] Noah's Boatyard
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In the grand scheme it really doesn't matter. What we do know is it happened and God was involved.
stovebolts
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We went back in November! Absolutely loved it!
There are plenty of articles on that site looking at this and every querry you can rise.
I'll give one general answer.
This was a survival situation, the object was to get the animals through it alive. They would have been fed and watered to keep them alive. articles about deep littering/slots for waste you can look for.
All we need to do is provide a reasonable explanation, which both AIG and Creation.com do.
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The point is, the animals won't use a toilet so someone has to clean up after them even if it was as simple as pushing the soil into some kind of slot. It would still be physically impossible for 8 persons to manage providing food, water, and clean up for that many animals.
Somehow, God intervened one way or another to make it happen.
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The tale of the Ark and the Flood is told in Hebrew poetry...and part of the Torah.
Large bits of technical details are going to be left out.
Not to mention that since people were living over 600 years and speaking the same language it wasn't odd to know a lot of things and how to accomplish things. (Like sanitation and food storage)
Some of the elements are figurative and not literal, such as 40 days and nights...that particular expression is all about God's anger. (Jesus in the wilderness)
The story is told with lessons to be learned other than the "historical record".
Gop*HER wood is a type of solid cypress tree that isn't hollow like most cypress trees. (Seen often in swamps and floating forests)
Most of the area described was covered with a floating forest. (Google this "Floating Forest" to understand more about the fossil record)
Tehovm (the deep/abyss/sea) is synonymous with chaos. God is order and brings order to chaos.
But 8 people were saved because the pitch/atonement covered the people.
Large bits of technical details are going to be left out.
Not to mention that since people were living over 600 years and speaking the same language it wasn't odd to know a lot of things and how to accomplish things. (Like sanitation and food storage)
Some of the elements are figurative and not literal, such as 40 days and nights...that particular expression is all about God's anger. (Jesus in the wilderness)
The story is told with lessons to be learned other than the "historical record".
Gop*HER wood is a type of solid cypress tree that isn't hollow like most cypress trees. (Seen often in swamps and floating forests)
Most of the area described was covered with a floating forest. (Google this "Floating Forest" to understand more about the fossil record)
Tehovm (the deep/abyss/sea) is synonymous with chaos. God is order and brings order to chaos.
But 8 people were saved because the pitch/atonement covered the people.
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The Flood was a miraculous event. When people try to force it to comply with the laws of nature, of course they'll run into problems because their first mistake was failure to factor the supernatural into their thinking.
The natural properties of fire are not absolute, the natural properties of water are not absolute, the natural properties of gravity are not absolute, the natural properties of light are not absolute, etc, etc.
None of the laws of nature are absolute. They're all created laws. As such they can be revised and/or modified any way that their creator chooses in order to accomplish His purposes.
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The Flood was a miraculous event. When people try to force it to comply with the laws of nature, of course they'll run into problems because their first mistake was failure to factor the supernatural into their thinking.
The natural properties of fire are not absolute, the natural properties of water are not absolute, the natural properties of gravity are not absolute, the natural properties of light are not absolute, etc, etc.
None of the laws of nature are absolute. They're all created laws. As such they can be revised and/or modified any way that their creator chooses in order to accomplish His purposes.
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God only gave us what He felt was important....the story behind the story. I truly believe He gives us the understanding He determines we need when we need it. Is it really necessary for us to even discuss or debate anything more?
We are instructed to avoid useless arguments. Maybe for good reason?
I always find it strange that Christians do not believe what God has told us.
He says he created in 6 days, yet because atheist do not believe the bible, Christians also doubt the bible.
After the global flood God promosed never to flood the world again.
Yet in history there was a great flood in missouri and a great flood in the black sea region. Aparently some Christians believe that God lied when he promised never to flood the world.
It gets worse. Jeasus is the sinless lamb of God yet he lied.
Jesus supported a 6 day creation and the truthy of Noah and a global flood, which as atheist tell us and they are to be believed, did not happen.
Just who do you believe?
He says he created in 6 days, yet because atheist do not believe the bible, Christians also doubt the bible.
After the global flood God promosed never to flood the world again.
Yet in history there was a great flood in missouri and a great flood in the black sea region. Aparently some Christians believe that God lied when he promised never to flood the world.
It gets worse. Jeasus is the sinless lamb of God yet he lied.
Jesus supported a 6 day creation and the truthy of Noah and a global flood, which as atheist tell us and they are to be believed, did not happen.
Just who do you believe?
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Maybe they should pay closer attention to what God actually says.
8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying: 9 “And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. 11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.” Genesis 9:8-11 NKJV
When did Jesus lie?
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The how's and whatsoever can be debated until Christ returns. The point being is that it repented God, meaning He was sorry He created man for as the population grew their hearts turned from God as they were full of iniquity. If it wasn't for one faithful man none of us would be here right now. Genesis 6:5-8.
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As a true child f God you believe the whole of scripture without speculations of that which has already been written. Doubt is a sin of unbelief in that which is written.
I believe that science when interpreted as a Christian Always, without exception backs up scripture.
There is no sin in have doubts or questions concerning scripture. Christianity is a faith based on historical facts that we are to understand.
The sin is in saying don't question just believe.
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I'm not going to get into the historical fact thing with you again as scripture says to only believe in Christ Jesus for that is our faith and the Holy Spirit will teach you what God wants you to learn. Science has nothing to do with the sovereignty of God.
1 John 5:
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Actually it has everything to do with the soverignty of God.
Science only works because of the Christian view of creation. That a reasonable, consistent and moral being created everything that everything is capable of being understood and that understanding applied as engineering.
All other believes other than the judeochristian world view involve either magic or the idea that man is not meant to look into such things.
For the Christian it is not good enough to say all one needs is faith, we have to be able to give a reason for our faith.
JohnDB
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Actually,
Science relies upon impirical data points.
Holiness doesn't fit within impirical data.
And the flood doesn't work unless you factor in the Holiness factor of the Earth.
(The Earth is holy however it has no capacity for forgiveness and thereby is doomed to destruction)
The universe is trying to remain holy by removing unholy mankind...but God's grace and mercy prevents it from doing so.
None of this is capable of being measured by science...
Which depend on a consistent and reasdonable creation.
It has nothing to do with holiness and everything to do with the character of God.
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No. The Earth is constantly removing salt from the oceans by various means. Sodium chloride has one of the more rapid equilibria among minerals.
The Earth, including the salt in the ocean, is in a constant state of flux, on a very large cycle. In fact, the amount of salt lost from the ocean and the amount it gains are about the same. This means that the salinity of the oceans does not gradually increase, or even change greatly, but is actually in a state of equilibrium. Another fundamental flaw in this system is that the rates of erosion, solution, rainfall, and runoff cannot be measured over large amounts of geologic time. They simply vary too much to yield any constant (41). Also, the fact that different elements tend to spend different amounts of time in the ocean adds to the confusion of the calculations.
For a process to be considered a good natural clock, it must contain the following: a known initial condition, an irreversible process, a uniform rate, and a final condition. With the salt clock, the initial condition is not known. The process of salt accumulation has been proven to be reversible and in constant change. There is also no uniform rate of accumulation of salt. The only criterion met is the known final condition. Because of these factors, the salt clock can obviously not be used as a natural clock to calculate any type of age.