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JLB

This verse which I quoted is used to Scofield to demonstrate that there are indeed three entities of people. Paul himself clearly does not say that the church has replaced Israel or is a renamed Israel or whatever.
 
This verse which I quoted is used to Scofield to demonstrate that there are indeed three entities of people. Paul himself clearly does not say that the church has replaced Israel or is a renamed Israel or whatever.


Thank you.


JLB
 
... and give Thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

This is a direct reference to Covenant with the Gentiles.

What could possibly be your motive for saying the "New Covenant" doesn't include Gentiles?


JLB

Never said that, I said and quoted scripture which shows that the New Covenant is made first with Judah, then with Israel and then THROUGH Judah and Israel, it is extended to the Gentiles. Then you quoted...

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Who is the "thee" in verse 6?

Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Notice that it is Israel in whom God will be (future tense) glorified. This occurs after the return of Christ, during the Millenium. The Covenant is not made with the gentiles, it is extended to them through Israel. Here is a little assignment for you, what did a gentile have to do to come under the Old Covenant? Then extrapolate that to the future and the New Covenant.
 
Never said that, I said and quoted scripture which shows that the New Covenant is made first with Judah, then with Israel and then THROUGH Judah and Israel, it is extended to the Gentiles. Then you quoted...

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Who is the "thee" in verse 6?

Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Notice that it is Israel in whom God will be (future tense) glorified. This occurs after the return of Christ, during the Millenium. The Covenant is not made with the gentiles, it is extended to them through Israel. Here is a little assignment for you, what did a gentile have to do to come under the Old Covenant? Then extrapolate that to the future and the New Covenant.

Your comment - The Covenant is not made with the gentiles - flies in the face of the language that Isaiah expresses.


"Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles... 6 "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1,6


It also flies in the face of the Original Covenant Language that Moses writes to us
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4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. Genesis 17:4-5

as well as the revelation and understanding that Paul teaches -


8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." Galatians 3:8

So your "issue" is not with me, it is with Moses, Paul and God as well as Isaiah.


JLB
 
Your comment - The Covenant is not made with the gentiles - flies in the face of the language that Isaiah expresses.


"Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles... 6 "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1,6



JLB

Israel is given as the Covenant people to be a light to the Gentiles, but you may read it however you wish.
 
Israel is given as the Covenant people to be a light to the Gentiles, but you may read it however you wish.


1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. 4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law." 5 Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it: 6 "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles... Isaiah 42: 1-6


This prophecy is concerning the Messiah!

"Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.


He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. -

"He" in this verse refers to Jesus Christ the Messiah!


"My Servant" - refers to Jesus Christ!

"My Elect One" in whom My soul delights - refers to Jesus Christ!

"I have put My Spirit upon Him" - Him refers to Jesus Christ!


Israel is given as the Covenant people to be a light to the Gentiles

Israel is not a light to the Gentiles! Jesus Christ is The Light to the Gentiles.



He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth.

"He" is a reference to Jesus Christ!


He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law."

"He" is a reference to Jesus Christ, not Israel!

Till He has established justice in the earth - Israel has never established Justice in the earth!


"I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ is our covenant! Not Israel!


If you choose for Israel to be your Covenant then that's on you!


JLB
 
1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. 4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law." 5 Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it: 6 "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles... Isaiah 42: 1-6


This prophecy is concerning the Messiah!

"Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.


He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. -

"He" in this verse refers to Jesus Christ the Messiah!


"My Servant" - refers to Jesus Christ!

"My Elect One" in whom My soul delights - refers to Jesus Christ!

"I have put My Spirit upon Him" - Him refers to Jesus Christ!




Israel is not a light to the Gentiles! Jesus Christ is The Light to the Gentiles.



He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth.

"He" is a reference to Jesus Christ!


He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law."

"He" is a reference to Jesus Christ, not Israel!

Till He has established justice in the earth - Israel has never established Justice in the earth!


"I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ is our covenant! Not Israel!


If you choose for Israel to be your Covenant then that's on you!


JLB

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

As I said, read it as you wish.
 
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

As I said, read it as you wish.


AAAhhh.

So now you have changed your perspective from -

Israel is given as the Covenant people to be a light to the Gentiles.

To - the Covenant was made with the house of Israel.


Now I can agree with that, however the original intent of the covenant was to include Gentiles, as we understand that the House of Israel = sons of Abraham!

As the Covenant with Abraham has always included Gentiles, as Isaiah and Paul as well as Moses has clearly taught.

Thank you for quickly changing your position to that of truth.


JLB
 
AAAhhh.

So now you have changed your perspective from -

Israel is given as the Covenant people to be a light to the Gentiles.

To - the Covenant was made with the house of Israel.


Now I can agree with that, however the original intent of the covenant was to include Gentiles, as we understand that the House of Israel = sons of Abraham!

As the Covenant with Abraham has always included Gentiles, as Isaiah and Paul as well as Moses has clearly taught.

Thank you for quickly changing your position to that of truth.


JLB

I/ve changed nothing, the covenant is to be made with Israel and then extended through them to the Gentiles. They are to be the light to the Gentiles. I have said this consistently.
 
is a person saved by the Blood of Jesus still a gentile?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female ; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Spiritually, eternally we are one in Christ.

From a perspective of the natural stand point they are still Jews.

Are you still a female though you are saved by the blood of Jesus?

The answer is yes.

However, in the age to come that will change.

For in that Day, there will be neither male nor female but we shall be like the angels.

That is why I say spiritually, eternally.


JLB
 
Not if he/she is a Messianic Jew.
A saved person in your view is still a heathen and/or pagan?

G1484





eth'-nos


Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

I am not a French-Christian, I am a Christian . The blood in my veins has zero bearing on my salvation. Some where way back I am 'told' I have Jewish ancestors. That blood does not save. His Blood is salvation. I am not a very slightly Jewish- mostly-French-Christian..



 
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