Obama and gay sex.

[Kidron]

Obama and recent announcements.

The more that homosexuality is accepted within our culture, the less Christianity will be allowed to operate freely within our culture.

The more homosexuality is accepted, the more it will be promoted in the educational process when a child is seeking their early identity.

And the way all this will continue is for the idea of Legalized Tolerance to be used to beat back and stomp out biblical morality in the culture.

Christians make up over 80% of this nation, yet the President just for the record said he supports "same sex" marriage so that he can assure himself of the alternative lifestyle crowd's vote in November......
So...
I think we better turn off our big screens and text messages and Facebook addictions and get in the real game while preaching is still allowed to preach against sin here.
This is not going to change if the body of Christ continues to hide behind the church walls while the world continues to creep inside and slowly take over..
We have got to stop being worried about being called "intolerant bigots" and reclaim the land from the enemy.

80% Christian nation and we have homosexual priests marrying homosexuals in the Chruches, 4000+ abortions a day, while the President of OUR "Christian nation" is supporting Homosexual marriage.

Something is wrong with that picture.
We as God's warriors of light better adjust the frame.




K

 

[Mike S]

When I saw the title of the thread, I thought you were writing an Obama biography.

 

[Kidron]

When I saw the title of the thread, I thought you were writing an Obama biography.

Ok, i decided to change the title to something that is a bit "softer" as i think you are right.......the original title had the feel of an R rated book's title;)
I was up really late, and today im existing on adrenaline...
Went to Tel Aviv last night, had to take someone to the airport who was heading back to Moscow.
Long story....
Dull.
pass...
Ended with ice cream and chocolate milk in the "Ben Huron" airport and a seemingly long drive back to Netanya where im now sitting and typing this little response.


thx for reading...




K

 

[Milk-Drops]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

The more that homosexuality is accepted within our culture, the less Christianity will be allowed to operate freely within our culture.

This is outright false. Gay people being treated equally under the law and Christians being rational about LGBT instead of not being able to see past the sin itself won't stop Christians from being able to worship as they please and proselytize to others.

The more homosexuality is accepted, the more it will be promoted in the educational process when a child is seeking their early identity.

The more we understand something and the less ignorant we are on it, the more likely we are to educate the younger people on the truth about the issue. Sorry that is reality.

And the way all this will continue is for the idea of Legalized Tolerance to be used to beat back and stomp out biblical morality in the culture.

As aposed to the government legislating Christian edicts to oppress non Christians and silence decent, right?

There is this thing called the first amendment. If you hold a stance and want to promote it, its your job to do it. The government is supposed to stay neutral and protect the rights of everyone. Not just Christians.

Christians make up over 80% of this nation, yet the President just for the record said he supports "same sex" marriage so that he can assure himself of the alternative lifestyle crowd's vote in November......

Guess what, it may be true that president only said that to garner votes. It also should be a point to inform you that even thought 80% are Christians. Other polls show that around 50 to 51% of Americans support the rights of Homosexuals. So that would mean that only around 40 to 39% agree with your stance. Then we can then figure out if you guys even consider all of them Christian. Considering that this site is strongly anti Catholic in some areas, Catholicism makes up a huge chunk of the Christian percentage in this country.

So...
I think we better turn off our big screens and text messages and Facebook addictions and get in the real game while preaching is still allowed to preach against sin here.
This is not going to change if the body of Christ continues to hide behind the church walls while the world continues to creep inside and slowly take over..
We have got to stop being worried about being called "intolerant bigots" and reclaim the land from the enemy.

There is this thing called the first amendment this is eventually become a massive problem for you, not to mention such an action would probably end in civil war because it will be a group of people trying to supersede and take over the rights of everyone else. You wouldn't just be fighting the LGBT, you would also be fighting Christians that disagree with you and also all the other minorities that don't care to be ruled again.

80% Christian nation and we have homosexual priests marrying homosexuals in the Chruches, 4000+ abortions a day, while the President of OUR "Christian nation" is supporting Homosexual marriage.

Once again your number means squat when you actually look at what that 80% means. When the minorities are taken out, you guys will turn on each other. That is usually how it work in any system.


Just shedding some light on this issue and trying desperately to ground it in reality.

 

[Mike S]

Ok, i decided to change the title to something that is a bit "softer" as i think you are right.......the original title had the feel of an R rated book's title;)
I was up really late, and today im existing on adrenaline...
Went to Tel Aviv last night, had to take someone to the airport who was heading back to Moscow.
Long story....
Dull.
pass...
Ended with ice cream and chocolate milk in the "Ben Huron" airport and a seemingly long drive back to Netanya where im now sitting and typing this little response.



thx for reading...




K

Next time we're in Israel we'll call on you for a ride, we usually take a sherut between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

Is Netanya were you're living? We've visited there, but when not in Jerusalem, we like staying in Haifa.

 

[Aardverk]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

And the way all this will continue is for the idea of Legalized Tolerance to be used to beat back and stomp out biblical morality in the culture.

Perhaps legalized tolerance is intended to stomp out intolerance.

I wonder if you realize how scary some Christians are. Even on this forum we have people advocating murder and even have guns on their avatars. Christian attitudes?

Intolerance is hateful. A few years ago I visited some old Catholic friends in Ireland. I had a wonderful time meeting their friends, all lovely people, but then Sunday arrived. My friends were scared! They were scared that I may not go to church with them and pretend to be a good Catholic man - like I used to be. They knew that they would lose face and the priest would harang them and humiliate them. They knew that the local population were completely intolerant of people with different beliefs. Of course, I did go to church and I pretended for their sake that I was still a Catholic. What a crazy situation!

I am not accusing you of being anything like that bad Kidron but maybe you can begin to imagine what it is like to be on the receiving end of intolerance?

Christians make up over 80% of this nation,....

An oft quoted figure. Also 40% claim to go to church every Sunday but only 20% actually do, based on door-step surveys. Maybe that means only 40% of Americans are actually truly believing Christians? Maybe the rest are just scared of the intolerance they will be subjected to by their neighbors if they tell the truth?

Of those 40% of maybe Christians perhaps only 20% are actively against freedom of choice of sexual preference?

Loads of 'maybes', loads of question marks but that 20% does seem to be nearer to my instinctive feel for Americans. Maybe Obama has a better insight to this than the majority of us.

 

[Classik]

Kidron, keep preaching. People who have listening ears will listen.


---
Let's see who emerges as the president

 

[stovebolts]

Aardverk,

I don't see the issue as much from an intolerance perspective as I'm seeing it from an ideological perspective.

When one thinks of marriage, it conjures many thoughts, and those thoughts are always linked to family. It's not the idea of same sex couples, but rather, it's the idea of what the family structure looks like because traditionally, the family structure has always been set against the backdrop of marriage.

Intolerance is about not accepting another person's freedom's, but last I checked, getting a drivers license wasn't a freedom, it's a privilege. And to qualify for said privilege, one must meet a certain minimal requirement. Same goes for marriage. Currently, if a man and a woman want to marry, they have to meet certain state requirements or the state won't marry them. So we see that the state is not looking at marriage as a freedom, but they are indeed looking at it as a privilege and by doing so, are outlining a standard for the family.

 

[Kidron]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

This is outright false. Gay people being treated equally under the law and Christians being rational about LGBT instead of not being able to see past the sin itself won't stop Christians from being able to worship as they please and proselytize to others.


Let me explain it so that you can understand...
In the overall scheme of a culture, if alternative sexuality decadence becomes common, becomes accepted.... then this is because the tolerance regarding this type of sexual immorality is based on the fact that the moral and legislative fabric of a society has become pro-Licentious.
And following this moral decent, tolerance laws are eventually generated to stop "hate speech"., and this means that eventually all preaching against this type of immorality, will be illegal, and that means that preachers will be arrested.
Follow me?
That is the gay agenda...And THAT is the next phase for this country.
There is a soon coming time, when someone like me, who would write a Thread that is not pro-gay, will become an illegal thing to do.
And a preacher that preaches from what will be deemed a "hate book", will be censured and even jailed for "hate crimes".

The more we understand something and the less ignorant we e on it, the more likely we are to educate the younger people on the truth about the issue. Sorry that is reality.

There is nothing "ignorant" about the honest realization that homosexual sex is a morally perverted situation, and it is certainly not enlightened to believe that gay sex is normal.
Thats a fact.

As aposed to the government legislating Christian edicts to oppress non Christians and silence decent, right?


Thats a false argument.
The fact is, the pro gay agenda in this country is pushing the tolerance agenda down the throats of 95% of the Christians who make up about 80% of the population.
(Dont see Rachael Maddow for that poll)
See, we as a body of believers have a strong resistance to being forced to accept legally what is morally wrong according to God, especially when there is a continuing attempt to promote it in the media and even make it a curriculum for elementary school kids.
See, most Christians dont want the minds of their 8 year olds to be associated with the idea that "gay is ok" for them.
We view this as subverting the sexuality of children, legally, and this is about the worst crime against children (other then abortion) thats ever been legalized, and this situation is rampant..


There is this thing called the first amendment. If you hold a stance and want to promote it, its your job to do it. The government is supposed to stay neutral and protect the rights of everyone. Not just Christians.


The first amendment was not designed to protect gay sex., and the 1st amendment is not designed to enforce tolerance of sodomy, nor is it designed to contribute to the idea that homosexuality is an ethnic group that needs special civil rights.



Guess what, it may be true that president only said that to garner votes. It also should be a point to inform you that even thought 80% are Christians. Other polls show that around 50 to 51% of Americans support the rights of Homosexuals.


Guess what, it is true, and guess what........an MSNBC poll is not what i would call "accurate".


So that would mean that only around 40 to 39% agree with your stance.


No worries, as i dont expect any poll taken by Rachael Maddow is going to favor my Thread;)


Then we can then figure out if you guys even consider all of them Christian. Considering that this site is strongly anti Catholic in some areas, Catholicism makes up a huge chunk of the Christian percentage in this country.

Well, thats pretty easy to answer, as are all your comments easy to clarify....
Any Catholic who has trusted in Christ alone for salvation is a Christian, and any Catholic who believes they were saved by water baptism as an infant or at any other time is a Catholic.
Connect the dots..


There is this thing called the first amendment this is eventually become a massive problem for you, not to mention such an action would probably end in civil war because it will be a group of people trying to supersede and take over the rights of everyone else.


Actually, as long as the 1st Amendment is not being subverted to give special rights to a non ethnic group (homosexuals), then im good to go.
And regarding "superseding" and trying to "take over"...that would be the homosexual agenda.
Thanks for defining it for us.



Just shedding some light on this issue and trying desperately to ground it in reality.


Ok, well, when cheer leading for the homosexual agenda on a Christian forum becomes "light", i'll get back to you.
np.
see you in the dark....

.................

 

[Vic C.]

Just shedding some light on this issue and trying desperately to ground it in reality.

Light? :shocked!


Me thinks your flashlight needs new batteries, or better yet, a new bulb. :help

 

[Pizzaguy]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

The more that homosexuality is accepted within our culture, the less Christianity will be allowed to operate freely within our culture.

The more homosexuality is accepted, the more it will be promoted in the educational process when a child is seeking their early identity.

And the way all this will continue is for the idea of Legalized Tolerance to be used to beat back and stomp out biblical morality in the culture.

Christians make up over 80% of this nation, yet the President just for the record said he supports "same sex" marriage so that he can assure himself of the alternative lifestyle crowd's vote in November......
So...
I think we better turn off our big screens and text messages and Facebook addictions and get in the real game while preaching is still allowed to preach against sin here.
This is not going to change if the body of Christ continues to hide behind the church walls while the world continues to creep inside and slowly take over..
We have got to stop being worried about being called "intolerant bigots" and reclaim the land from the enemy.

80% Christian nation and we have homosexual priests marrying homosexuals in the Chruches, 4000+ abortions a day, while the President of OUR "Christian nation" is supporting Homosexual marriage.

Something is wrong with that picture.
We as God's warriors of light better adjust the frame.




K

As much as I have disagreed with you in the past --- I sure agree with you now.

 

[Classik]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

As much as I have disagreed with you in the past --- I sure agree with you now.

Banquet time

 

[Lewis]

Stove marriage between a man and a women is a RIGHT, a God given right. The state has no right to make it a privilege.

 

[CalledToServe]

Aardverk,

I don't see the issue as much from an intolerance perspective as I'm seeing it from an ideological perspective.

When one thinks of marriage, it conjures many thoughts, and those thoughts are always linked to family. It's not the idea of same sex couples, but rather, it's the idea of what the family structure looks like because traditionally, the family structure has always been set against the backdrop of marriage.

Intolerance is about not accepting another person's freedom's, but last I checked, getting a drivers license wasn't a freedom, it's a privilege. And to qualify for said privilege, one must meet a certain minimal requirement. Same goes for marriage. Currently, if a man and a woman want to marry, they have to meet certain state requirements or the state won't marry them. So we see that the state is not looking at marriage as a freedom, but they are indeed looking at it as a privilege and by doing so, are outlining a standard for the family.

I'm going to reply with the seven (eight) types of marriage in the Bible. Do you support any of them other than the one you stated here?

a. Man + Woman
i. Wives subordinate to their husbands
ii. Interfaith marriages forbidden
iii. Marriages arranged and not based on love
iv. A bride that couldn’t prove her virginity was stoned to death

b. Man + Brother’s Widow
i. Widow who had not given birth to a son was required to marry her brother in law
ii. She had to submit sexually and serial raping condoned

c. Man + Wife (Wives) + Concubines
i. Abraham (2 concubines)
ii. Gideon (1 concubine)
iii. Nahor (1)
iv. Jacob (1)
v. Eliphaz (1)
vi. Gideon (1 or more)
vii. Caleb (2)
viii. Manassah (1)
ix. Solomon (300)
x. Belshazzar (1+)
xi. Raping condoned

d. Rapist + His Victim
i. Post marriage a woman had no say over her body and was raped by her original rapist
ii. Rapist had to pay 50 shekels of silver for property loss

e. Man + Woman +Woman’s Slaves
i. The husband could acquire his wife’s property including slaves

f. Male Soldier + Prisoner of War
i. Under God’s command during the time of Moses, Israelites killed every Midianite man, woman, and child; save for the virgin female girls that were taken as spoils of war (Raping condoned of the girls)

g. Male Slave + Female Slave
i. The slave owner could assign a female slaves to male slaves
ii. Female slaves had to submit sexually to their new husbands (Raping again condoned)

The ninth one came into existence due to some translators changing the name of Priscilla to Prisca and making her into a man. She/he was married to Aquila and mentioned by name in several of Paul's letters. The next one is Junia being changed to Junias to again change her gender to hide the importance of women in the ministry. She was possibly married Andronicus. Due to translators mucking with the Bible they introduced same sex marriage. Now, I do not believe in homosexuality.

The problem with this is that the OP is posting under the assumption that we are a theocracy. We are not. The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States prohibits Congress from passing any law that is based upon a religious source, like the Bible, and they are prohibited from interfering with religious practice. Establishment as used by the founding fathers means settled regulation; form; ordinance; system of laws; constitution of government.*

There are two clauses in the Constitution of the United States that guarantees equal protection and application of the law. The first is Article IV Section II Clause I and the other is the Fourteenth Amendment Section I.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Bible has been used by Christians over the past 319+ years to deny people life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Look at the Salem Witch Trials, the Christians that supported slavery, etc... If you actually read scripture we are commanded by Jesus Christ to love your neighbor as yourself and to love them as He loves us. Do you support denial of Christ's commandment? Do you support denying yourself rights and liberties? If you do then you are adhering to Christ's commandment. If you don't then you are breaking His commandment.

*Definition from the first United States English dictionary, Webster's 1828.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

As much as I have disagreed with you in the past --- I sure agree with you now.

Surely so. Even church schools that take government help are tied to 'labor standards' which are law, or the funds disapear. (strings are attached) Good discipline that is also a bibical standard is a no no. Next will come the legal teaching of sound governement backed teachings of homosexual relationships even pictured, huh? or funds will be cut off. And the Bible teaches that by beholding one becomes changed!

Home schooling is becoming almost mandatory. Yet, higher education is much harder to come by.

2 Cor. 3:18
[17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

And when one goes to the opposite extreme direction, then what?? And that is not just the children!

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

@ jeff, we have a gentile preacher on shemot. have fun..

 

[Milk-Drops]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

Let me explain it so that you can understand...
In the overall scheme of a culture, if alternative sexuality decadence becomes common, becomes accepted.... then this is because the tolerance regarding this type of sexual immorality is based on the fact that the moral and legislative fabric of a society has become pro-Licentious.

Actually the reason why LGBT are more accepted in today's society and there is now a huge push for equality, is because more and more people are becoming aware that its just plain silly to be so against lgbt. That is about it. People disagree with the Zero tollerance attitude of Christian philosophy, which is to be expected in a free society that allows and defends people's rights to do so.

And following this moral decent, tolerance laws are eventually generated to stop "hate speech"., and this means that eventually all preaching against this type of immorality, will be illegal, and that means that preachers will be arrested.
Follow me?

False. The first amendment in the US protects Christainity that it can teach that Homosexuality is a sin. The actual hate speech stuff is something I'm not a big fan of, but I do understand where it comes from. Still dosen't mean I agree with hate speech. So, dose this same argument apply to black people and women? They have hate speech protection as well.

That is the gay agenda...And THAT is the next phase for this country.

I don't believe in paranoid nonsense created by social conservative talking heads to scare people into o pressing a group of people.

There is a soon coming time, when someone like me, who would write a Thread that is not pro-gay, will become an illegal thing to do.
And a preacher that preaches from what will be deemed a "hate book", will be censured and even jailed for "hate crimes".

False, because there is hate crime legislation in place to protect Black people, the disabled, and Women, yet there are plenty of people still being inflammatory towards them. The worst that will probably happen is that mainstream society will just ignore you or get offended by you.

There is nothing "ignorant" about the honest realization that homosexual sex is a morally perverted situation, and it is certainly not enlightened to believe that gay sex is normal.
Thats a fact.

No, its an opinion you are putting forward that no one has to agree with. Your job is to convince people of this "fact" of yours. Being mad that society disagrees with you will not change anyone's mind. If you have an argument, present it, take your criticism, perfect your argument, use evidence, accept more criticism, grow, and continue learning etc. The FACT that society doesn't just accept your opinion just because you belong to a group that already accepts it as fact is not a sign of society decay. Its a sign that society isn't gullible and wants an explanation along side it.

Thats a false argument.

NO, its accurate because you are offended because decenting opinion is not censored.

The fact is, the pro gay agenda in this country is pushing the tolerance agenda down the throats of 95% of the Christians who make up about 80% of the population.
(Dont see Rachael Maddow for that poll)

Yeah, now address the point that not all Christians are intolerant of LGBT.

See, we as a body of believers have a strong resistance to being forced to accept legally what is morally wrong according to God, especially when there is a continuing attempt to promote it in the media and even

You don't have the numbers backing you at all. Period. Many Christians disagree with you right not. Your 80% argument is worthless because you don't understand that not all of them agree with you.

make it a curriculum for elementary school kids.

What exactly is the curriculum that you speak of?

See, most Christians dont want the minds of their 8 year olds to be associated with the idea that "gay is ok" for them.

And over 51% of the US disagrees with the idea that being gay is bad. I think your position is extremely selfish and is meant to be vindictive against people that have done nothing to you. Which is a main cause for youth to want to stray from the church.

We view this as subverting the sexuality of children, legally, and this is about the worst crime against children (other then abortion) thats ever been legalized, and this situation is rampant..

Which is your opinion. You need to defend this opinion against scrutiny and convince others of it. Getting mad at gay people and trying to oppress them won't change anything into a positive. Expressing your opinion and giving a good argument will win more people over to your side then oppression.

The first amendment was not designed to protect gay sex., and the 1st amendment is not designed to enforce tolerance of sodomy, nor is it designed to contribute to the idea that homosexuality is an ethnic group that needs special civil rights.

I didn't say it did. Though equality is not a special right. Homosexuals wanting to be treated equal under the law is not a special right. Christians wanting to keep rights from LGBT, and make certain institutions only work in their favor is, however, a special right. That is the big problem here. You don't see the very irony in your stance.

Guess what, it is true, and guess what........an MSNBC poll is not what i would call "accurate".

My point still stands that not all Christians believe what you believe.

No worries, as i dont expect any poll taken by Rachael Maddow is going to favor my Thread;)

Yet you are using it to justify your position any way.

Well, thats pretty easy to answer, as are all your comments easy to clarify....
Any Catholic who has trusted in Christ alone for salvation is a Christian, and any Catholic who believes they were saved by water baptism as an infant or at any other time is a Catholic.
Connect the dots..

I'll connect the dots. Do all Christians believe what you are saying? No. Dose around 50% of the Christian population have no problem with Gay marriage or LGBT rights? Yes

The dot sure came out in my favor and against yours.

Actually, as long as the 1st Amendment is not being subverted to give special rights to a non ethnic group (homosexuals), then im good to go.

No special rights are being given. Well, accept to Christians.

And regarding "superseding" and trying to "take over"...that would be the homosexual agenda.
Thanks for defining it for us.

Sorry, there is no Gay agenda. Its a made up concept by Right wing Social conservatives to scare voters into agreeing with their political campaigns.

Ok, well, when cheer leading for the homosexual agenda on a Christian forum becomes "light", i'll get back to you.
np.
see you in the dark....

I wasn't aware that being condescending and childish was a Christian tenant? I thought it was just a tactic by people with no argument or who are vastly ignorant of the subject matter they are speaking of.

 

[HOLLYROCK]

Re: Obama and recent announcements.

The more that homosexuality is accepted within our culture, the less Christianity will be allowed to operate freely within our culture.

The more homosexuality is accepted, the more it will be promoted in the educational process when a child is seeking their early identity.

And the way all this will continue is for the idea of Legalized Tolerance to be used to beat back and stomp out biblical morality in the culture.

Christians make up over 80% of this nation, yet the President just for the record said he supports "same sex" marriage so that he can assure himself of the alternative lifestyle crowd's vote in November......
So...
I think we better turn off our big screens and text messages and Facebook addictions and get in the real game while preaching is still allowed to preach against sin here.
This is not going to change if the body of Christ continues to hide behind the church walls while the world continues to creep inside and slowly take over..
We have got to stop being worried about being called "intolerant bigots" and reclaim the land from the enemy.

80% Christian nation and we have homosexual priests marrying homosexuals in the Chruches, 4000+ abortions a day, while the President of OUR "Christian nation" is supporting Homosexual marriage.

Something is wrong with that picture.
We as God's warriors of light better adjust the frame.




K

Well said

 

[phantom309]

I think some fine points were made by the original poster.

Like it or not,and no matter how you label us for pointing it out homosexual activity is morally wrong,and will contribute to the decline of this country on various levels.

Meatball -
If you have such a big problem with christian values/opinions,then why are you here?Ive noticed that while most of the people here have attempted to handle your criticism with respect you seem to have no problem very disrespectfully attempting to disarm everything you dont like here.Everyone here has the right to believe what they will,but it doesnt make much sense to me to knowingly enter a forum that houses beliefs so far apart from your own and proceed with your current behavior.Youre obviously here with no intent to contribute anything other than pointless arguments.

Aard -
Though obviously we dont agree on the points offered here,whats with your comments on guns and advocating murder?
Unless Ive missed some good drama while I was at home,Ive never once seen anyone on this site encouraging or condoning murder as you claim,so thats pretty far out of line.
As for our remarks about people with guns in their avatars..so what?People all over the world own guns,there is nothing wrong with that.Im sure people here come from various backgrounds that may evoke an interest in guns..hunters,military,law enforcement,etc.Are we considering all gun owners/enthusiasts to be murderers now?Im interested to hear your response on this.
So you wonder if some christians realize how scary they are,too?I guess in that comment we conveniently ignore all the atrocities carried out in the name of islam,by atheists and others right?Once again,for a person who speaks so often on tolerance,at times you show precious little of that towards christians.So i guess the double standard remains..tolerance should only extend to those you like and/or agree with,right?

 

[Milk-Drops]

Meatball -
If you have such a big problem with christian values/opinions,then why are you here?

I haven't said anything specific about Christian values, or even attacked all of Christian values/ opinions. I have addressed points made by individuals of this forum that claim to be Christians. I am allowed to ask people why they believe what they believe, and even point out my own opinions on the matter. My discussions with an individual should not be construed as me attacking all of Christianity, because that would be just silly. I'm here for discussion purposes. Just as others are here for.

Ive noticed that while most of the people here have attempted to handle your criticism with respect you seem to have no problem very disrespectfully attempting to disarm everything you don't like here.

I think we have different ideas of what respect is, because some members have been disrespectful towards me and have lobbed accusations against me and my character without cause. If I feel I have been rash, I apologies. Sometimes I don't feel the need to apologies, especially in situations where a member apologetically attacks and dehumanizes a group of people, or manipulates the words and actions of another to get a jab in.

Everyone here has the right to believe what they will,but it doesnt make much sense to me to knowingly enter a forum that houses beliefs so far apart from your own and proceed with your current behavior.Youre obviously here with no intent to contribute anything other than pointless arguments.

I agree that everyone has the right to believe what they want. I also have the right to challenge people on their beliefs. Usually its either because I want to understand more, or because I think the logic is flawed. You are saying that my arguments are pointless, but I shall point out that discussion only needs to have purpose between the people having it. If you don't see a point in the discussion, then don't bother with it. Simple as that. I usually start off respectful, but if I'm then hit with condescending nonsense and hostility, I have the right to not respect the thoughts of the person. That is because if the person is trying to convince me that my position is wrong, but can only do it with childish tactics, then I will gladly say they have failed to convince me.