Observation on Obama

[handy]

Whether Clinton decides to pursue the nomination via un-committed super delegates or not, the fact remains that Obama has garnered a strong majority of votes for the nomination of President.

I really don't want this to become yet another debate about Obama qualifications or lack thereof for the Presidency. This thread is about something different.

I grew up in an era where blacks were still fighting tooth and nail just to be able to vote, much less be able to run for office themselves. While I'm a little too young to remember the marches to Selma and seeing blacks being pummelled with water hoses and attack dogs on the nightly news, I do remember hearing adults in my life talking about 'them' not knowing their 'place' and how 'they' were bringing all the trouble (lynchings, bombings, murders) on themselves.

A lot has changed in Amercia, that a black man has won enough delegate votes to be a top party's nominee for President. And, those changes are for the good. It's amazing to think about it, but some of the very venues where Obama has been campaigning for the Presidency would not have even allowed him to get a drink of water out of most of the available drinking fountains when he was a kid.

I'm not voting for Obama, because I don't agree with his politics. But, I'm glad that this nation has changed enough that he is not only running, he has a good chance of winning, in spite of the color of his skin. Maybe the young'uns around here won't appreciate this, but I bet everyone over 40 knows exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[stovebolts]

I know what your talking about Dora.

I was talking to a person the other day and they were making the same comment. I could only think of Martin Luther King Jr's words, "I have a dream"...

It's nice to know that dreams do come true :D

 

[Veritas]

speaking of which... I was just listening to...

http://www.relevantrevolution.com/mp3/mlk-dream.mp3

 

[Relic]

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Skin color is not the tell all folks!

I hate to burst any bubble here but, Truth is folks, Obama is not "legally" considered to be an African-Anmerican, He is "legally" a Caucasian-American and Arab-American in blood line.
Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro(Negro being the legal scientific definition of bloodline) from his father's side.

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Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president.
Federal law requires that to claim a minority status, you must be at least 1/8 of the descriptor, but for the sake of this article, I've converted it to a decimal fraction for easier comprehension. You must be at least 12.5% of the racial component you claim for minority status. Mr. Obama, claiming to be African-American, is half the legal threshold.

Again, to let it sink in: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president.

source: Questions About Ethnicity

Obama is NOT the first and does NOT deserve the credit!
If anything, he deserves credit for being the FIRST CAUCASIAN-ARAB-AMERICAN to hold the nomination.


Did you know ....

Some historians claim we already had 5 Presidents who were of African-American blood line making them "legally" being of the Caucasian/African-American descent?
Presidents Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge all had Black ancestors. source:diversityinc.com

So please, give credit to those "AFRICAN-AMERICANS who are TRULY due this honor. It's about time these men got it wouldn't you say? :fadein:


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[handy]

Barack Obama Sr. was Kenyan, not Arabian. He was born in Alego, Kenya. He belonged to the Luo tribe.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in race anyway. Humans, all humans, belong to the human race. We're all Adamites.

But that is why it is significant that a man who is 'black', showing all the 'racial characteristics' of a black man is now a major party candidate who very well may be our next President. Because, even though we are all Adamites and belong to the one and only real 'race' there is, up until now a black man hadn't a chance to be nominated, much less stand a good chance to win the Presidency.

And, (although I haven't read your link, but I'm sure that you vouch for it's veracity) if it had been common knowledge that Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln et al, had 'black' blood in them, they wouldn't have stood a chance of gaining the Presidency either, even though it's obvious that they were white. Miscegenation was against the law back then.

 

[Drew]

Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro(Negro being the legal scientific definition of bloodline) from his father's side.

Even if the above is true, it really is irrelevant. For all practical purposes, Mr. Obama is perceived to be black, or at least partly black. It may be true that in some genetic sense, he is far more arabic than black. But given the context in which he lives, and given his appearance, people think of him as more of a black person than an arabic one.

And that is what really matters here. That the American people have shown that a person who is seen, at least in part, to be black, can become a nominee for President.

I have some major concerns about his politics (and I don't get to vote anyway).

But Americans should be proud that a "black" person has been able to secure a presidential nomination.

 

[stovebolts]

Excellent point Drew.

In my line of work, perception plays a major role...

 

[destiny]

But Americans should be proud that a "black" person has been able to secure a presidential nomination.

... and yet if the outward 'cultural' differences were there such as the predominate African American accent, many whites wouldn't even consider him as a candidate. Although I doubt they would admit it.
Many would feel it's ok for him to be black.. just not too black.

 

[Barbara Allan]

Good post, handy, thank you.

I voted for Obama in the primary and will so again. If I had a choice as to who the first Black President would be I'd prefer Al Sharpton but Obama will do.

 

[Veritas]

hmm... I'd like to see Alan Keyes, or Colin Powell, or Condoleezza Rice be the first, they don't seem to make race an issue at all and I think we should be at that point now. Sharpton seems to make a big issue out of it still, but Obama doesn't seem that bad so far.

...by "big issue" I mean that sometimes it seems like there is a racism directed the other way, like a retaliation or something... it'd be nice if we could just get past all that.

 

[Barbara Allan]

hmm... I'd like to see Alan Keyes, or Colin Powell, or Condoleezza Rice be the first, they don't seem to make race an issue at all and I think we should be at that point now. Sharpton seems to make a big issue out of it still, but Obama doesn't seem that bad so far.

...by "big issue" I mean that sometimes it seems like there is a racism directed the other way, like a retaliation or something... it'd be nice if we could just get past all that.

You must be white, right? Racism is still an issue because it's real. The way to get past it is redistribution of power.

 

[Rick W]

You must be white, right? Racism is still an issue because it's real. The way to get past it is redistribution of power.

I don't like that insinuation Barbara.
I don't see anything in Veritas's post that's racist.

 

[Veritas]

Racism is still an issue because it's real. The way to get past it is redistribution of power.

I don't agree with you, and I don't think another certain visionary would either...

I am not interested in power for power's sake, but I'm interested in power that is moral, that is right and that is good.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Then again, let me put my twist to understanding who gets elected president.

Being a "British-Israel" type person in my beliefs, I always understood that people from the line of Judah, and specifically King David would be plenteous to rule and reign over the house of Israel.

Of course if I teach that Anglo-Saxons, Celts, and peoples of NW Europe are descended from the lost house of Israel, I hear cries of "racist" soon enough.

However, when we consider that the US presidents all had ties to this royalty, then Obama comes as no surprise to me. He has for an ancestor the same Scottish King as McCain. So, while other people are scratching their heads wondering how a "black" man could make it this far, I understand that his lineage (as promised by God) would rule. Therefore, I never saw a "black" man as the myriads of so-called politically correct people are pointing out. For a so-called "racist" person, I am accepting of this sure enough. And I see a man from Judah, specifically a lineage of the Scottish Kings from King David. Color means nothing regarding genealogy.

This does not mean I endorse his ideology. But it has nothing to do with skin color. I don't like McCain, either. But again, I am not surprised that the peoples' hands are guided as if on puppet strings of God to vote for the charismatic person who has these genetic ties because it is prophesied.

Well, agree or disagree, you have to admit my view is unique.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

I don't like his politics. I do not like how he runs as the "new breed of politician", when all I see from him are the same tactics (identity politics, making a bee line closer to center after securing nomination, etc.)

Hes the golden nominee now who nothing sticks to because the majority of the press give him free passes.

IMO hes the same politician wrapped in a pretty bow to make him look like something else to the unsuspecting masses.

None of the stuff he does is worse than anyother candidate as far as pandering, identity politics, rhetoric laden speeches, lean left/right for nom then shoot back to center, etc. He just emphatically claims to not be about that stuff and everyone believes him. Any other candidate all of that would be highly scrutinized by the media. If a politician claims something, but does something quite the opposite, the media is all over them typically. Obama just gets away with it.

Hillary didn't. She got the shaft because the corporate media picked somebody else and are exerted their power to affect politics. The media has alot of power in big campaigns and uses it to their liking. We support this "4th branch" of the government by buying what they sell.

 

[handy]

Hillary didn't. She got the shaft because the corporate media picked somebody else and are exerted their power to affect politics. The media has alot of power in big campaigns and uses it to their liking. We support this "4th branch" of the government by buying what they sell.

So true, Vault.

 

[destiny]

I agree with what Bill O'Reilly said; "The media likes Obama better than Hillary because he is more liberal than she is."

 

[Relic]

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Okay, Okay.... I know when to apologize and when not to apologize! Did ya hear that? I know when to and when not to apologize. So, don't get me wrong here, I'm not too proud to humble myself when need be and I'm not so weak to refuse to speak out when need be. So, please, don't get me wrong here...

Since posting that article I have to say this much though... my apologies for posting that particular article in regard to the section of it in which the author claims Obama is only 6.25% negro. I didn't check it out enough, but when I read further, I found the author didn't provide the records he says he saw in regard to the percentage of Arabic race in Obama's blood or in his fathers blood. So I do apologize that I posted it before I found that out. But ya gotta give me credit, I am here making a correction.
However, THAT DOESN'T" MEAN the whole article doesn't contain any valid information about Obama and his connections, and his going about elevating the part of him that is black and downplaying the white part of him, nor does it discredit the parts about the lies in his book.
And so, in that regard, I must say..... IF in fact, Obama is not 6.25 percent African negro ( using the scientific terminology) as the writer of the article claimed , but is, in fact, 50% African negro, ( the writer never did come up with any "Arab" geneology of Obama's "negro" ancestry but only came up with the fact that many of his ancestors are of the muslim "religion") THAT still doesn't mean Obama is being honest in regard to his racial identity. The Author only established Obama's Muslim ties and his muslim relatives in Kenya.

And so then , then, that being cleared up and my apologies given in regard only to the 6.25% undetermined fact by the writer of the article, I still want to know this.... Since Obama IS known to be 50% African-American and 50% Caucasian, I want to know WHY are people saying he would be the First BLACK president?

In actuality he is BI-RACIAL and for some to say he would be the first "Black" president is to playdown his "WHITE" ancestry, his "caucasian" heritage! He IS BI-RACIAL. One can't elevate the black and downplay the white side of his genetics, especially with him being in such a political position! His following downplays the bi-racial fact as does he. Oh, he doesn't deny that fact that he is half white, but he sure does downplay it when it is to his advantage to do so! As a matter of fact, he'll throw anyone under the bus if it suites his objective! He doesn't care who that person is or how close a relationship he had with them in what regard, he'll throw grandma under the bus, throw his pastor under the bus, who is next?
In Fact IF Obama would be president, according to some historians, he wouldn't even be the FIRST BI-RACIAL president! we already had 5 Presidents who were of African-American blood line making them "legally" being of the Caucasian/African-American descent, Presidents Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge all had Black ancestors. source: http://www.diversityinc.com, BUT according to some people, they discredit that as being valid enough to call those presidents "black" because "back in those days" it was a disgrace of to even be considered a multiracial person so they kept things like that hidden, and so, they say, it would be highly unlikely that those presidents were of color. :o . Actually, I think that IF those past presidents were, in fact, bi-racial that for anyone to say such a thing so as to downplay those presidents as being bi-racial is just another way for them to give the whole credit to Obama! And IF that is, in fact, true about those other presidents being bi-racial, THEN , Fact would be that Obama would NOT BE the FIRST "black" president, he would be the 6th known bi-racial president! We would yet to have a full blooded "black" president!

Why uplift Obama where he doesn't deserve any uplifting? And why bash me for posting articles that reveal Obama for what and who he truly is? Of course, I'll admit when I discover the article to be in error. I've said that before. This happens to be the only article that I've posted prematurely, because the author didn't come through with releasing the documents he said he saw. I discovered this afterward, NOT ashamed to admit the error. THAT doesn't mean the whole of the article is in error, only the part that speaks of the 6.25%. Nothing else that I know of. So, just because there isn't any error in the previous articles I posted, some people act as if "exposing" someone for what they truly are is a sin, and "they" act as if I am the liar, the bad representation of a Christian for posting articles. I've said before that I would admit when an article I posted is in error, IF I happend to find out about it afterward, but for them to bash me for posting "anything" that exposes Obama, and they can't prove it to be incorrect, sheesh! :-? I get bashed for posting articles about Obama but when Obama get's an uplift him where he doesn't deserve it, that's okay? :crazyeyes: I just don't understand that at all. Some of you might wonder, why I think Obama doesn't deserve to get credit for being "THE FIRST". Well, It's obvious, because he ISN'T THE FIRST.


I think that to downplay the fact the he IS BI-RACIAL, as do so many people who say he'd be "the first black" to get so far, would be an insult to all the millions of Bi-RACIAL PEOPLE in America!

In all reality, personally, I don't' think skin color matters! Frankly, I don't care if person is purple! I have bi-racial relatives! I have a 43 year old nephew who is half hispanic, I have great nieces and nephews who are part Asian and my son has a cousin who is half black. So no one can say I am prejudice! I also happen to live in a "multi-ethnic and racial neighborhood. I think skin color is of no matter, but it is the character and intent of of a person that truly matters!

What I am very concerned about is the color of a persons politics!
OBAMA'S POLITICS ARE not "red/white and blue" of the "American Flag! maybe the Cuban flag, but NOT the American Flag! America is not a "socialist" country! It is a Republic! Obama wants to make this a Socialist type country!
OBAMA'S POLITICS ARE COMMIE "RED" !!!!

Ask his relatives in Kenya! Ask his brother of whom Obama is very proud of!!! Ask Obama what he thinks about abortion! Having a baby out of wedlock is a punishment according to Obama, and HE thinks having an abortion should be a choice! That is pro-killing! But the pro-choice person would never admit to that! Communism KILLS to meet it's objective, they say they want to pull out of Iraq because too many people are dying. But they refuse to face the fact that Abortion kills at the rate of thousands per day! 1.5 Million per year! But the Commie wouldn't admit to that! they think 4,086 killed in Iraq in a few years is more than 35 million babies since abortion became legal in America! That 35 million was the 1997 stats! ten years ago! it's probably around 45 million by now!!!! Communism kills! But they won't admit to it!

and then, on some "Christian" Forums I get bashed and called a liar and a bad representative for exposing these truths about Obama :o

Well, who's to pray for? Shall we pray the demon spirit leave Obama?
Shall we pray I don't make mistakes in posting articles prematurely?
shall we pray those who bash others for exposing the truth about Obama have their eyes opened about him?

What shall we pray for then? Pray Obama not get into office? Pray he gets further exposed for who he really is and that people are shocked :shock: back into reality ?

We all know that, as Christians, we are not of this world, but I also do know that Jesus didn't expose the Pharisees for who they were in spite of Him not being of this world!


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[lianna7]

I for one do not trust anyone in government ...espeacialy those running for high offices ..they will lie cheat and say whatever you want to hear just to get elected. As for the abortion issue I don't see anyone in the republican party who does anything but say they are Pro- Life so thats what they run on. You realy think they will do anything about it . It's an expedent way of population controll unfortunately so you will never see this law changed. Bush sighned a bill that would disalow partial birth abortion's which was later overturned anyway ..which all knew it would be. He did it to make himself look good and thats it. I for one am note voteing because I have had it with all the lies both sides tell... put it this way the people realy don't decide who will be president the electorial votes do IMO...and why..?.. I thought this country was set up for the people and by the people. As for Obama so he's black big deal ...so he dosen't please people now there's a surprise huh..LOL...there are rumors floating around right now if he is elected he won't make it to the podium another big surprise. I have had it with polaticians ..if that makes me a bad citizen then so be it . We pay their saleries which they seem to forget yet they do as they please no matter how many demonstartions people have done.