OF AUGUSTINE, FREE WILL, ORIGINAL SIN, GNOSTICISM AND CALVINISM

[GodsGrace]

If you're interested in any of the above - or all - you'll love the following video.
Ken Wilson is the world expert on Augustine and what he believed and who he was.

Augustine lived from about 350AD to about 430AD.

His views were original and were not shared by the Church Fathers that came before him.
The video will explain all.

 

[Iconoclast]

Discussing Ken Wilson's Work, Part 1 - Clement and Free Will

Dr. Wilson argues that when Clement stirred up the believers in Corinth to good works that the implicit logical consequence must only be libertarian free will. If this is clear through implication, what of the explicit statements relating God’s will to our calling, justification, and opening of...

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Zechariah 14:9, then Ken Wilson's Book Against Calvinism

Dr. James White | Alpha and Omega Ministries

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Arresting Pastors, NT Wright Badly Wrong, Ken Wilson Interview Started

Dr. James White | Alpha and Omega Ministries

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Discussing Ken Wilson's Work, Part 12 - On Psalm 51 and Concupiscence

This post is yet another that demonstrates the extreme prejudice employed by Wilson in his reading and assessment of Augustine. As a committed Protestant Baptist in the 21st Century, when I began reading Augustine in 2017 I approached it with no agenda. I knew that there would be many things...

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[GodsGrace]

Discussing Ken Wilson's Work, Part 1 - Clement and Free Will

Dr. Wilson argues that when Clement stirred up the believers in Corinth to good works that the implicit logical consequence must only be libertarian free will. If this is clear through implication, what of the explicit statements relating God’s will to our calling, justification, and opening of...

www.aomin.org

Zechariah 14:9, then Ken Wilson's Book Against Calvinism

Dr. James White | Alpha and Omega Ministries

www.sermonaudio.com

Arresting Pastors, NT Wright Badly Wrong, Ken Wilson Interview Started

Dr. James White | Alpha and Omega Ministries

www.sermonaudio.com

Discussing Ken Wilson's Work, Part 12 - On Psalm 51 and Concupiscence

This post is yet another that demonstrates the extreme prejudice employed by Wilson in his reading and assessment of Augustine. As a committed Protestant Baptist in the 21st Century, when I began reading Augustine in 2017 I approached it with no agenda. I knew that there would be many things...

www.aomin.org

Sorry Icon,
but James White, who got his doctoret online,
is NOT an expert on Augustine and he has made many
incorrect statements on both Augustine and Dr. Wilson.
Dr. Ken Wilson is the world's expert on Augustine.
Sorry to inform you of this.

 

[Iconoclast]

Sorry Icon,
but James White, who got his doctoret online,
is NOT an expert on Augustine and he has made many
incorrect statements on both Augustine and Dr. Wilson.
Dr. Ken Wilson is the world's expert on Augustine.
Sorry to inform you of 0i

You have no idea what you are talking about...once again. You claimed Jesse Morrel was "an expert", when His videos are a joke. Ken Wilson is a medical doctor, who did some theology. leighton is a failed teacher...you can have all of them.
Dr. White is an internationally known speaker and has written many theological works.
He teaches at two seminaries now. I am sure they look to hire people who get fake online degrees.
He freely says that the seminaries he went to where not the best [some liberals
on staff], but all of that is just you and others making personal attacks because you cannot answer him directly, without lies and distortions.
I have listened to the shameful 101 podcasts, and have posted to poor Leighton for 4 years straight.
All the Cals answered him everywhere he went , it was not hard. He went by the Title Skandelon ...
I do not think you are really that sincere, as most of the non Cals cannot interact biblical. You can have your gnostic fantasies, and Jesse Morrel, denying the biblical teaching on the Covenents....I will stay in scripture with the truth of God.

 

[electedbyHim]

Clueless.

Pronerbs 26:11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly.

 

[Fastfredy0]

but all of that is just you and others making personal attacks because you cannot answer him directly, without lies and distortions.

Amen

as most of the non Cals cannot interact biblical.

Agreed ...

Iconoclast, you've got the patience of Job.

 

[GodsGrace]

You have no idea what you are talking about...once again. You claimed Jesse Morrel was "an expert", when His videos are a joke. Ken Wilson is a medical doctor, who did some theology. leighton is a failed teacher...you can have all of them.
Dr. White is an internationally known speaker and has written many theological works.
He teaches at two seminaries now. I am sure they look to hire people who get fake online degrees.
He freely says that the seminaries he went to where not the best [some liberals
on staff], but all of that is just you and others making personal attacks because you cannot answer him directly, without lies and distortions.
I have listened to the shameful 101 podcasts, and have posted to poor Leighton for 4 years straight.
All the Cals answered him everywhere he went , it was not hard. He went by the Title Skandelon ...
I do not think you are really that sincere, as most of the non Cals cannot interact biblical. You can have your gnostic fantasies, and Jesse Morrel, denying the biblical teaching on the Covenents....I will

 

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[Iconoclast]

The real question is, did Jesus and the apostles teach it, in the scripture?
The answer of course is yes. Believers have seen this since the printing press and and books going into homes of believers. They still see it today.
Others look to the failed teaching of the RC church with the bogus mass and gospel of works.
They can have it.

 

[GodsGrace]

The real question is, did Jesus and the apostles teach it, in the scripture?
The answer of course is yes. Believers have seen this since the printing press and and books going into homes of believers. They still see it today.
Others look to the failed teaching of the RC church with the bogus mass and gospel of works.
They can have it.

History does not agree with you.
You do not accept scripture.
Thanks for telling me about Flowers.
He's spot on.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

most of the non Cals cannot interact biblical.

Everybody has scriptures to back up what they believe.
But what most have are scriptures that have been un-rightly divided out of the whole context of the scriptures.
Truth (truth that can be known) comes by comparing scripture with scripture.
The Bible is it's own best interpreter.

 

[GodsGrace]

Everybody has scriptures to back up what they believe.
But what most have are scriptures that have been un-rightly divided out of the whole context of the scriptures.
Truth (truth that can be known) comes by comparing scripture with scripture.
The Bible is it's own best interpreter.

I find that reformed theology causes many biblical conflicts.

For instance, it teaches that man is unable to seek or want God, instead there are Many verses stating that we are to seek God and that He's happy when we do.

John 3:16 is posted and we're told it's written to those that are already born again,,,,as if they need it. Ditto for other such verses.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I find that reformed theology causes many biblical conflicts.

You probably mean Calvinism causes many Biblical conflicts.

Reformed theology, not Calvinism, specifically, centers around Luther's revelation of "the righteousness that is from God". Apparently, now even the Catholic church subscribes to his revelation.

For instance, it teaches that man is unable to seek or want God, instead there are Many verses stating that we are to seek God and that He's happy when we do.

And both views are correct to some extent.
Men seek God as he enables them, through the means he uses, when he uses it.

The problem is men argue over the means through which he calls men. It's not an either/or proposition. It's a matter of how, and when God calls men and enables them to respond. Calvinism goes to one extreme and says you have to be born again to seek God. Popular non-Calvinistic thought goes to the other extreme and says man is always able to seek God on his own without any prompting of God. Both are false. The truth, as usual, lies in the middle of these two extreme positions.

 

[GodsGrace]

You probably mean Calvinism causes many Biblical conflicts.

Reformed theology, not Calvinism, specifically, centers around Luther's revelation of "the righteousness that is from God". Apparently, now even the Catholic church subscribes to his revelation.


And both views are correct to some extent.
Men seek God as he enables them, through the means he uses, when he uses it.

The problem is men argue over the means through which he calls men. It's not an either/or proposition. It's a matter of how, and when God calls men and enables them to respond. Calvinism goes to one extreme and says you have to be born again to seek God. Popular non-Calvinistic thought goes to the other extreme and says man is always able to seek God on his own without any prompting of God. Both are false. The truth, as usual, lies in the middle of these two extreme positions.

I agree.
There are different types of grace that are spoken of.
Definitely, some type of grace must be received from God in order to just make us aware of Him, even if nothing else.
From reading on the net, I think I agree with prevenient grace the most.
If I understand it correctly:
God gives to each person enough grace to let Himself be revealed.
Then it's up to us to reply...this is why it's called synergism.

 

[Iconoclast]

Everybody has scriptures to back up what they believe.

Hello JB,
Everyone thinks the scripture they use supports their ideas.
A jw thinks there is no trinity and points to out of context verses.
A real bible teacher can read from the text in the original texts and show the correct meaning.
The JW will still claim he is right, when he is wrong.
Some have claimed the aorist tense does not refer to a past action with an ongoing result.
They are wrong, but still hold to their error.
They deny that in Adam all sinned at one point in time, ie, the fall.
When you do not have a dead Adam...only a slightly wounded Adam, you can listen to a philosophical presentation that is totally unbiblical, like Leighton Flowers and soak it up like a sponge.
Such a person departs from the Historic faith that was once delivered to the saints and make up a version that they like, including a god who does what they think He should do.

But what most have are scriptures that have been un-rightly divided out of the whole context of the scriptures.

correct...we see that here everyday.

Truth (truth that can be known) comes by comparing scripture with scripture.
The Bible is it's own best interpreter.

Yes indeed.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

John 3:16 is posted and we're told it's written to those that are already born again,,,,as if they need it. Ditto for other such verses.

Which makes me say, as I contemplate what you're saying here, that Calvinists themselves complicate and misrepresent their own theology. The very thing the OP is ranting about.

I'm pretty sure I understand the basic premise of Calvinism and perhaps in this thread we can all get down to that basic premise and stop overthinking it and misrepresenting it on both sides of the issue. And, truthfully, in the end we will see that when it comes right down to it, we don't know exactly if God purposely built it into some soil the capacity to respond to the planting and watering of the seed of his word, or if that potential lies within the soil, the person, himself as a created, conscious, created being, like the angels.

I personally don't believe God purposely and intentionally creates some people with the capacity to love righteousness, and purposely and intentionally creates others to not have that capacity. The capacity to love the truth, if one has it, is a quality and attribute of the person themselves. God simply realizes the potential of the person who has that capacity to love the truth when exposed to it. And it is those who are found in this life to have that capacity who will comprise the kingdom of God. He's building that kingdom and he is seeing who will love the truth and, as a result, be chosen for that kingdom, and who will not.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Some have claimed the aorist tense does not refer to a past action with an ongoing result.
They are wrong, but still hold to their error.

I believe the Perfect tense is the tense that refers to a completed action with ongoing results.

And the Aorist tense is not peculiar to time and has no English equivalent but representing it as a completed, past tense action is usually adequate in English translation.

This for me has been the best explanation of the Greek tenses I've found:

https://ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/

The Perfect tense that you are most likely referring to (not the Aorist tense) is commonly misused to defend an aspect of Calvinism, particularly the 'new' Calvinism, and I use this resource to politely correct people in use of that tense.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Others look to the failed teaching of the RC church with the bogus mass and gospel of works.

James White: When you understand the idolatry of the mass, that propitiatory sacrifice of Christ can never save anyone, the treasury of merit, indulgences, the excess merit of Mary, purgatory, that one righteousness consists of that of Christ, Mary, the saints and oneself, sacraments, that the priest is another Christ … then one does not have the gospel of that leads to salvation. James White, See Galatians 1:6-9 White goes on to say that many Roman Catholics are not in agreement with the church and believe in justification by faith alone.
Thought you would be interested given your knowledge of James White.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

They deny that in Adam all sinned at one point in time, ie, the fall.
When you do not have a dead Adam...only a slightly wounded Adam, you can listen to a philosophical presentation that is totally unbiblical, like Leighton Flowers and soak it up like a sponge.

In all fairness, this isn't actually the correct counter argument and begs more explanation.