OF AUGUSTINE, FREE WILL, ORIGINAL SIN, GNOSTICISM AND CALVINISM

[Dorothy Mae]

Typical caricature and strawman:
Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions,
yet hath he not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. ( e Act 15:18; f Rom 9:11,13,16,18)

Ok, again if we look at those verses, they DO NOT support your position that God is behind all decisions and actions men take. What is says is God plans and knows what HE is going to do, not that he plans what all men will choose. Otherwise that blue bits makes no sense. Has he not decreed anything just means in a complex way, God has decreed SOMETHINGS. It is not really worth saying. The old chestnut about Esau and Jacob has been debunked ad nauseam. God loved Esau and gave him land. The descendants were a different story.

3 By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his Confession of Faith of 1689 glorious grace;

That is not scripture but must come from the Calvinist playbook. It describes a very cruel Being and not the God of the Bible.

others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice. ( 1Ti 5:21; Mat 25:34; h Eph 1:5-6; i Rom 9:22-23; Jude 4)

Those scriptures do not say that which is why you do not quote them.

Wrong view of biblical foreknowledge;
Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions,
yet hath he not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. (

Again, that is not scripture or you would give the reference. Must be really old as the language is convoluted.

The fall made reprobates, they love sin.

Strawman...the gospel is preached and offered to all men when it is preached

Not for you. For the Calvinist is it just a game whereby the chosen before birth are compelled to accept it. I mean, you can cry "straw man" but it is not.

The rest of Christendom are mostly ignorant of truth, or truth suppressor's.

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying,
Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

All the Gentiles, you notice, not the ones chosen before the foundation of the earth. You had best not really provide the real scripture because they do not support your position. Best stick to chapter and verse and hope no one looks them up.

everyman does not hear the gospel preached

They can.

That is true of every person. The reprobate never becomes saved, that is why they are rejected.

Salvation is of the Lord 100%...Calvinists believe that, as they actually believe what the bible declares.

But the Bible does not declare that or you would quote the verses that say that. the Bible says "whosoever" which means anyone.

I had some time so I answered but I can see by your posts to wondering that you are still abusive when it suits you and I had rather not be a part of that. So back to ignore...

All men cannot. What you preach is a defective message.

A confused thought for sure.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ok, again if we look at those verses, they DO NOT support your position that God is behind all decisions and actions men take. What is says is God plans and knows what HE is going to do, not that he plans what all men will choose. Otherwise that blue bits makes no sense. Has he not decreed anything just means in a complex way, God has decreed SOMETHINGS. It is not really worth saying. The old chestnut about Esau and Jacob has been debunked ad nauseam. God loved Esau and gave him land. The descendants were a different story.

That is not scripture but must come from the Calvinist playbook. It describes a very cruel Being and not the God of the Bible.

Those scriptures do not say that which is why you do not quote them.

Again, that is not scripture or you would give the reference. Must be really old as the language is convoluted.

Not for you. For the Calvinist is it just a game whereby the chosen before birth are compelled to accept it. I mean, you can cry "straw man" but it is not.

All the Gentiles, you notice, not the ones chosen before the foundation of the earth. You had best not really provide the real scripture because they do not support your position. Best stick to chapter and verse and hope no one looks them up.

They can.

But the Bible does not declare that or you would quote the verses that say that. the Bible says "whosoever" which means anyone.

I had some time so I answered but I can see by your posts to wondering that you are still abusive when it suits you and I had rather not be a part of that. So back to ignore...

Hello DM
Thanks for checking in.:neutral Nice fonts, easier to read
The verses mean what they say if a person takes time and considers it carefully. You do not seem to agree. Of course, I cannot follow you departing from revealed truth, and looks as if you own a strawman factory, but if you do want me to respond I will. just let me know

 

[Iconoclast]

Ok, again if we look at those verses, they DO NOT support your position that God is behind all decisions and actions men take. What is says is God plans and knows what HE is going to do, not that he plans what all men will choose. Otherwise that blue bits makes no sense. Has he not decreed anything just means in a complex way, God has decreed SOMETHINGS. It is not really worth saying. The old chestnut about Esau and Jacob has been debunked ad nauseam. God loved Esau and gave him land. The descendants were a different story.

That is not scripture but must come from the Calvinist playbook. It describes a very cruel Being and not the God of the Bible.

Those scriptures do not say that which is why you do not quote them.

Again, that is not scripture or you would give the reference. Must be really old as the language is convoluted.

Not for you. For the Calvinist is it just a game whereby the chosen before birth are compelled to accept it. I mean, you can cry "straw man" but it is not.

All the Gentiles, you notice, not the ones chosen before the foundation of the earth. You had best not really provide the real scripture because they do not support your position. Best stick to chapter and verse and hope no one looks them up.

They can.

But the Bible does not declare that or you would quote the verses that say that. the Bible says "whosoever" which means anyone.

I had some time so I answered but I can see by your posts to wondering that you are still abusive when it suits you and I had rather not be a part of that. So back to ignore...

DM, two things....in jn3:15, and it is actually everyone believing,not who so ever.
Even, let's say it was whosoever....that is not what it teaches
It is whosoever BELIEVES....Guess who that is? - lect, Can I buy a vowel Vanna?
point2 would suggest the abusive posts come from your keyboard, just sayin.

 

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[Jethro Bodine]

Election is an act of God before the world was. No one becomes elect in time, They already were elected

Jeremiah 18 shows us that the analogy of the potter that Paul used to explain God's handiwork in creating people made for destruction and people made for glory is not talking about making that decision in the past before creation but rather in this life.