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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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Olive Oil
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JoJoe
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There's a principle behind it which stands. An anointed man can anoint anything. A man of God can anoint sand ,water, spittle, handkerchief, etc... and by this transfer power into them for a situation. So on that ground, he can as well anoint a bottle of oil. But the content if the bottle is not significant. Either it's oil or water.
THE ACTS 19:11 And God worked special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought to the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
THE ACTS 19:11 And God worked special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought to the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
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Brother Mike
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Only in James do we see a use for Oil in helping with spiritual things. Anoint them with oil, and the prayer of faith will save the sick. The kind of oil was not mentioned, and the one being prayed for can only hope there was more than Motor oil, laying around to use.
JoJoe
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1 SAMUEL 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
Took me awhile to find that. The oil throughout scripture typically symbolizes the Holy Spirit.
Took me awhile to find that. The oil throughout scripture typically symbolizes the Holy Spirit.
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Brother Mike
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Heb_1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Blake
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In Exodus 30:22-33 there's a holy anointing oil created from 500 shekels of myrrh (6kg), 250 shekels (roughly 3kg) of cinnamon, 250 shekels of kaneh bosem (unsure what this is, I think it's a sweet aromatic cane or grass), 500 shekels of cassia, and one hin (5 quarts roughly) of olive oil.
This recipe is still used to make chrismation/anointing oil in the Orthodox Church today. It smells heavenly.
In the Bible we see matter being used to work immaterial miracles as vehicles of God's grace -- Paul's shadow as he passed by, Moses' serpent staff in the wilderness, Paul's handkerchiefs, etc. These aren't magical talismans or superstitious mumbo jumbo, just mediums of God's own grace.
This recipe is still used to make chrismation/anointing oil in the Orthodox Church today. It smells heavenly.
In the Bible we see matter being used to work immaterial miracles as vehicles of God's grace -- Paul's shadow as he passed by, Moses' serpent staff in the wilderness, Paul's handkerchiefs, etc. These aren't magical talismans or superstitious mumbo jumbo, just mediums of God's own grace.
Kaneh Bosem is a cannabis extract used in Bible times for healing.
Thus, the holy anointed oil of Exodus was also a healing oil.
Thus, the holy anointed oil of Exodus was also a healing oil.
Blake
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Thank you for the insight! I love learning things like this.
Deborah13
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Seeing it was Israel we can know it was olive oil from the olive tree. hint, hint
There is symbolism in that.
I have a very good, born again, Spirit filled friend. She anoints with oil above the doors into her house. I don't see that scripture but maybe that got started because of the Jews putting the mezuzah on their door posts.
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Brother Mike
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If she is Pentecostal then it would be a common practice to anoint door frames and such. My only issue with it is that the Greater one lives in us, not the oil on the door frames. Putting faith in oil, and physical things you do, is not faith in God.That would be my issue.
and what you said... No scripture that it keeps out devils.
However the practice is mentioned in many books about devil Warfare, and in books on prayers. Sometimes we read these books as if they are just as true as scriptures.
Be blessed.
JoJoe
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Please is there scripture suggesting using oil is not faith?
If one has a relationship with Jesus and puts faith in God blessing oil or even objects, does this cancel said relationship?
Deborah13
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I was AoG for years. And never heard it in my churches. I was following Copeland when you were probably still in nappies or at least short pants.
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Brother Mike
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Mar_6:13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
Jas_5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord
Here is your two scriptural uses for oil, both in Laying hands on the sick that they may be healed. The prayer of faith, and name of the Lord does the healing, and the disciples used oil on many for healing.
The Oil itself had nothing to do with the healing, or had power to heal. It was also not always used. Some say the oil was for a point of contact for the person needing healed.
If someone would have faith that God blesses any object or oil (Blessing as empowering the object in same way) then that someone would need something called a scripture to believe that, as faith only comes by Hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Rom 10:17)
You can't have faith for something, if you have not heard.
Now someone can tell you that objects can contain power, and someone can tell you God blesses Oil, but that is some Human telling you that. You can have faith that those objects are blessed by God, no issue there.
However, you would be deceived, because your faith was in a man, and there would be no actual power in any of the objects.
In the OT God used objects as men where naturally led. The Ark of the Covenant, the Snake staff Moses carried. It was God that supplied the power though, not the object itself.
Jojoe, this has nothing to do with relationships. You can believe whatever you want to believe. Just because you want to believe something though, does not make it so.
The only mention of power transferred to an object was the anointing off a person from the Holy Spirit unto cloth and praying over food that it be sanctified and safe. That is not God empowering the Object, that is the anointing that comes off a person that is anointed. We also would not want to have faith in a piece of cloth. We don't have faith in food either.
Objects don't contain blessings, or power Jojoe. Demonic or Godly. A lot of confused people think they do, but God said they do not, and can not bless or harm.
I was AoG for years. And never heard it in my churches. I was following Copeland when you were probably still in nappies or at least short pants.
I bet your not really that Old. I had nappies? I never knew that.
Deborah13
Member
I sure your mother put you in some sort of nappies.
When we pray over our food the faith is that the Lord will keep us safe from anything harmful in the food. The oil for anointing the sick is the same type of thing. Not faith in the oil but that the Lord Himself anoints the oil when one has prayed over it. If we believe, which we do, that a piece of cloth could carry the anointing from Paul, who the Lord anointed, how much more the oil the Lord anoints directly. But that for me is speculation because the scripture isn't clear as to why one anoints the sick with oil, it just says do it.
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Brother Mike
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There are things the Holy Spirit does that is hard to explain to others with scriptures. It's hard because we don't want to come off as making things up.
I was talking with JLB in a e-mail and he mentioned how he is praying in tongues the language shifts that means something is about to be revealed, or changed. That is not a scripture, but I knew exactly what He is talking about.
Since the actual Anointing can be transferred into cloth, the women healed by sucking the anointing out of Jesus clothes, then it could be there are some things that conduct and connect the Power of the Holy Spirit better than other materials.
It might be that oil is a great conductive material to transfer the anointing from one person to another, better than what flesh to flesh contact would be.
If there is an actual reason to use oil for the sick, and it's to be a better conductor. Then we want to coat our hand with the stuff and stick it on the other person for a good connection. Just a small smear on the head might be missing the whole reason we are told to use Oil.
I know the anointing of God is for flesh and physical things. So, there might be a real valid and scientific reason we are told to use Oil by James, and why the disciples used it, though nothing mentioned about them being told to use it, which is strange.
Others just believe it is symbolic and a point of contact or interaction for the person being healed.