Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS)!

[iLOVE]

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:37 ESV (This means, "never under any circumstances will I ever cast you out once you have come to Me.") Once God makes a clear promise, it can never be broken. This offended the self-righteous religious people (as it still does today). We can no more become “unborn” spiritually than we can become unborn physically.

If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. 2 Timothy 2:13
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These verses emphasizes the Divine side of salvation.

What about if we "cast out" ourselves? I don't know of any verses that say it's impossible for a saved person to REJECT CHRIST. Christ is ever faithful, we are not.

Did Peter, Thomas, James and Jesus cousin John The Baptist cast themselves out?
Did they lose there salvation? No! There are many many more I could name.

Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more. Romans 5:20

Is your position that a doctrine is true only if there is a human example within Scripture?

If so, Abraham was justified three times. Isn't that an example of justification being a process, not a one time event?

My Brother is a good Shepherd. Some sheep will die before their time. Only because He is protecting them from the evil to come. Isaiah 57:1-2 NLT

 

[Deborah13]

Once saved always saved! True or False?

Everyone comments on salvation as a gift.

What say you and others about the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS?

 

[dadof10]

Did Peter, Thomas, James and Jesus cousin John The Baptist cast themselves out?
Did they lose there salvation? No! There are many many more I could name.

Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more. Romans 5:20

Is your position that a doctrine is true only if there is a human example within Scripture?

If so, Abraham was justified three times. Isn't that an example of justification being a process, not a one time event?

My Brother is a good Shepherd. Some sheep will die before their time. Only because He is protecting them from the evil to come. Isaiah 57:1-2 NLT

You'll have to clarify what you mean here and how it relates to the topic. I don't get it.

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[JLB]

Once saved always saved! True or False?

Everyone comments on salvation as a gift.

What say you and others about the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS?

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

and again -

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21


JLB

 

[Butch5]

Your questions have nothing to do with the argument. All you guys need to do is to present an argument from Scripture. The problem is that there is none. There is not a single passage of Scripture that says salvation can't be lost. On the other hand there are passages that say it can be lost. Hmmm.

You're questioning God's ability to save?????? Are you serious?? God's ability to save IS THE ISSUE! What is your belief in who Jesus Christ is?? Butch Butch Butch. There is plenty of scripture, should we start with the whole book of Ephesians first. Strawman ?

No, I am not questioning God's ability to save.

 

[Butch5]

Is that a western Meadowlark as your avatar?

I believe so, I haven't looked him up to see if he's the same as on the plains. We're in the Rockies. 7,200 ft.

I saw it and looked it up. I believe it is a Western Meadowlark. I photograph birds so it interested me.

 

[Butch5]

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:37 ESV (This means, "never under any circumstances will I ever cast you out once you have come to Me.") Once God makes a clear promise, it can never be broken. This offended the self-righteous religious people (as it still does today). We can no more become “unborn†spiritually than we can become unborn physically.

If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. 2 Timothy 2:13

These verses emphasizes the Divine side of salvation.

What about if we "cast out" ourselves? I don't know of any verses that say it's impossible for a saved person to REJECT CHRIST. Christ is ever faithful, we are not.

That's the heart of the issue that I have tried top point out numerous times on forum. The OSAS side wants to post passages about God's ability to save and that is not the issue. The issue as you've pointed out is whether or not man will remain faithful.

...And if he doesn't, and can lose his salvation, sola-fide is naturally dead. OSAS doesn't square with "shown to be righteous". If a man can be "shown to be righteous", if that's what James means, then OSAS can't be true, unless EVERY person who has proved himself to be righteous, has persevered to the end. I know a few people who have shown themselves to be righteous and have fallen away, I'm sure you do too. It's, unfortunately, not rare.

Yes, I do. To me the fact that the doctrine can't be traced by in the church really ends the debate. If a doctrine can't be traced to the apostles it's of men.

 

[Guest]

Your questions have nothing to do with the argument. All you guys need to do is to present an argument from Scripture. The problem is that there is none. There is not a single passage of Scripture that says salvation can't be lost. On the other hand there are passages that say it can be lost. Hmmm.

You're questioning God's ability to save?????? Are you serious?? God's ability to save IS THE ISSUE! What is your belief in who Jesus Christ is?? Butch Butch Butch. There is plenty of scripture, should we start with the whole book of Ephesians first. Strawman ?

No, I am not questioning God's ability to save.

You clearly are if you think his seal isn't permanent.

 

[Deborah13]

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21

Well that's a good one too. But I think I said the gift of righteousness. This one....
Romans 5:17

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

 

[Butch5]

Your questions have nothing to do with the argument. All you guys need to do is to present an argument from Scripture. The problem is that there is none. There is not a single passage of Scripture that says salvation can't be lost. On the other hand there are passages that say it can be lost. Hmmm.

You're questioning God's ability to save?????? Are you serious?? God's ability to save IS THE ISSUE! What is your belief in who Jesus Christ is?? Butch Butch Butch. There is plenty of scripture, should we start with the whole book of Ephesians first. Strawman ?

No, I am not questioning God's ability to save.

You clearly are if you think his seal isn't permanent.

No, I think you're imposing you ideas not only on the Scriptures but also what I say. Nowhere will you find a statement from me that questions God's ability to save.

 

[Guest]

No, I am not questioning God's ability to save.

You clearly are if you think his seal isn't permanent.

No, I think you're imposing you ideas not only on the Scriptures but also what I say. Nowhere will you find a statement from me that questions God's ability to save.

the Scriptures do not teach once saved always saved. I'm sure upon closer inspection the context will show that those passages are not teaching such a thing.

John 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

 

[Alienated]

Once saved always saved! True or False?

Well Rev 22:19 says your name can be removed, if you take away anything from the Bible. So I think their are going to be ALLOT of disappointed people on Judgment day.

And Rev chapter 2 & 3 He talks about removing lamp stands of the churches.

 

[Guest]

Once saved always saved! True or False?

Well Rev 22:19 says your name can be removed, if you take away anything from the Bible. So I think their are going to be ALLOT of disappointed people on Judgment day.

And Rev chapter 2 & 3 He talks about removing lamp stands of the churches.

Never does Scripture say that God erases a believer’s name from the Book of Life—there is never even a warning that He is contemplating it! The wonderful promise of Revelation 3:5 is that Jesus will NOT erase one’s name. Revelation 22:19 is talking about apostates that were never born again to begin with.

 

[Guest]

Notice Revelation 22:19 says any man, not ALL men. Any man, is testing the hearts of men. Who is that man? I believe that if a believer is wrong about scripture, his intentions were right in his heart and he is simply in the learning process.

 

[Alienated]

Once saved always saved! True or False?

Never does Scripture say that God erases a believer’s name from the Book of Life—there is never even a warning that He is contemplating it! The wonderful promise of Revelation 3:5 is that Jesus will NOT erase one’s name. Revelation 22:19 is talking about apostates that were never born again to begin with.

I suggest you actually look up how a name get's in the book of life. Only the saved gets in their. Read your Bible and stop listening to ear tickling preachers.

 

[Guest]

Well, that's not the argument at hand,[edited]

 

[iLOVE]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:17

Those who do not Believe and want to Believe a Christian Believer can lose their salvation fall under the law...they have rejected Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Alienated]

Yes it is.. And Rev 3:5 He that overcomes will like them, be dressed in white, I will never blot out his name.

Meaning if you don't endure to the end, you don't win the race.

 

[Guest]

Yes it is.. And Rev 3:5 He that overcomes will like them, be dressed in white, I will never blot out his name.

Meaning if you don't endure to the end, you don't win the race.

No, overcome means a one time occurence. When you reach salvation, you have overcome flesh and now walk in the spirit. It is impossible for a born again christian not to endure to the end. You will know them by their fruits. Galatians 5:22-23

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Those who do not Believe and want to Believe a Christian Believer can lose their salvation fall under the law...they have rejected Lord Jesus Christ.

The problem with this reasoning is faith in Christ is not a work of the law.