[__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

[7thMoon]

Unless "iberal" means "far right racists" you got it wrong. I'm thinking that 7th Moon was right about you.

It's a lying troll.

 

[Vaccine]

No. In fact, Darwin outraged conservatives of his time by declaring that if one took "black savages" to England, in a few generations, they'd be just like Englishmen.

And later Darwinists showed that there was no logical basis for racism. This is why racism persisted so long in the U.S. where Darwin's discoveries were suppressed the most.

I agree Darwin himself was progressive for his time. But as for their being no logical basis for racism, Darwin himself was well aware of how racism is baked into his principles: "...No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man."
To his credit he spoke of racism as "...an overwhelming evil." But he was honest enough to recognize the implicit racism in his principles.

 

[Barbarian]

I agree Darwin himself was progressive for his time. But as for their being no logical basis for racism, Darwin himself was well aware of how racism is baked into his principles: "...No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man."
To his credit he spoke of racism as "...an overwhelming evil." But he was honest enough to recognize the implicit racism in his principles.

That's the point. His theory has nothing whatever to do with racism. In fact, evolutionary theory shows that human races don't exist as biological entities.

Darwin was merely observing that nature is not a good place to get one's morals or ethics. It's true that we are interfering with natural selection by helping people born with disabilities. But as Darwin said, to even let such people perish would be an "overwhelming evil."

This is why so many racists like ICR founder Henry Morris are opposed to evolutionary theory.

 

[Barbarian]

Often I hear "if you think evolution is such a good thing, why...?" Darwin wasn't presenting evolution via natural selection as a good thing any more than Newton presented gravitation as a good thing. These are just things we see in the world. Which is why, in The Descent of Man, he was so emphatic that it would be evil to even permit natural selection in human populations by failing to aid the unfortunate.

This is not to paint all creationists of that time as racists and slavers. Bishop Samuel Wilberforce, a fierce opponent of Darwin's theory, was an abolitionist, and like Darwin, celebrated the abolition of slavery in the British Empire.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Nothing more illustrative of the ignorance driven, morally void evolution theory of the crackpot Marxists than the fact that they claim there is no way to scientifically say the exact moment that a human life is created .

 

[Vaccine]

That's the point. His theory has nothing whatever to do with racism. In fact, evolutionary theory shows that human races don't exist as biological entities.

Darwin was merely observing that nature is not a good place to get one's morals or ethics. It's true that we are interfering with natural selection by helping people born with disabilities. But as Darwin said, to even let such people perish would be an "overwhelming evil."

This is why so many racists like ICR founder Henry Morris are opposed to evolutionary theory.

We should call out racists. But did you actually mean to say he opposes evolutionary theory due to his racism??

 

[Barbarian]

We should call out racists. But did you actually mean to say he opposes evolutionary theory due to his racism??

Yes. Morris believed that blacks are genetically inferior in intelligence and spirituality to white people. Evolutionary theory shows that such beliefs are wrong.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes. Morris believed that blacks are genetically inferior in intelligence and spirituality to white people. Evolutionary theory shows that such beliefs are wrong.

Indeed and one of the most cherished government institutions of the wealthy liberal white privilege racists still holds dear to this day the core racist beliefs of the genetically inferior.
They are even proud of their program of death marketed to the those who do not look & think as they do.

Eugenics based on race is inexorably linked to the founding of Planned Parenthood.
In 1921, Margaret Sanger founded the American Birth Control League (ABCL) along with founding directors Clarence Cook “C.C.” Little, who served as President of the American Eugenics Society, and Lothrop Stoddard, a white supremacist who published his book “The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy” in 1920. The ABCL would eventually become the Birth Control Federation of America, which was renamed Planned Parenthood Federation of America in 1942.

 

[Barbarian]

Indeed and one of the most cherished government institutions of the wealthy liberal white privilege racists still holds dear to this day the core racist beliefs of the genetically inferior.

Actually, Henry Morris was a conservative. His associate and co-founder of the ICR, William Tinkle, was a conservative and an enthusiastic eugenicist. Eventually he broke with the extreme conservative eugenicists over the Nazi racial purification ideology, but he retain his conservative stance on preventing "defective" people from reproducing. Planned Parenthood today, like many creationists, has turned away from the ultra-conservative views of its founders.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Planned Parenthood today, like many creationists, has turned away from the ultra-conservative views of its founder

Very admiral of you to admit that since 1973 the genocide by Planned Parenthood of more than 20 million African American babies has been the exclusive ghoulish handiwork of wealthy white privilege ultra-liberal democrats.
Based on their foundational rudimentary knuckle dragging belief in the inferiority of race, and that the unborn are sub-human.
Well done sir.

National Statistics​

More than 20 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.

 

[Vaccine]

Actually, Henry Morris was a conservative. His associate and co-founder of the ICR, William Tinkle, was a conservative and an enthusiastic eugenicist. Eventually he broke with the extreme conservative eugenicists over the Nazi racial purification ideology, but he retain his conservative stance on preventing "defective" people from reproducing. Planned Parenthood today, like many creationists, has turned away from the ultra-conservative views of its founders.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Morris's reason for opposing Darwin's theory was not due to Morris's own racism. He said he opposed evolutionism because it's "...satanic and responsible for racism, abortion, and a decline in morality."

 

[Vaccine]

Yes. Morris believed that blacks are genetically inferior in intelligence and spirituality to white people. Evolutionary theory shows that such beliefs are wrong.

Morris is just as wrong as Darwin for believing blacks were inferior to white people.
It's actually genetics, not evolutionary theory, that shows such beliefs are wrong.

 

[Barbarian]

Morris is just as wrong as Darwin for believing blacks were inferior to white people.

Actually, Darwin thought that Englishmen were superior to other white people, too. He thought it was cultural. This is why he said that if "savages" were brought to England, they'd be just like Englishmen in a few generations. He was right. Creationists were wrong.

It's actually genetics, not evolutionary theory, that shows such beliefs are wrong.

It's genetics that shows evolutionary theory to be correct, just as plate tectonics showed "continental drift" is correct. Darwin inferred evolution, even though he couldn't explain how a new trait could persist and not be swamped by other traits. He inferred humans were essentially the same, citing a black man who taught him a great deal about natural history. He just didn't have an explanation for these things. Genetics gave us that.

 

[Barbarian]

National Statistics​

More than 20 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.

There have been 40 million white babies aborted since Roe v. Wade. If abortion is racist, it's because it assumes whites are subhuman.

 

[Consecrated Life]

There have been 40 million white babies aborted since Roe v. Wade. If abortion is racist, it's because it assumes whites are subhuman.

Yes, the Backwards, middle ages, knuckle dragging, non-scientific belief among the white privilege liberal extremists that the unborn of all races are sub-human definitely applies in their progression from the paramount " Negro Program" to their willingness to commit genocide on the young boys and girls of all colors.
The love of color green$$$ being just as much motivator for the overall genocide and the disdain for the color black.
However, the particular disdain of these white privilege liberal extremists for the sub-humans of the color black being easily recognized both in their foundational literature & in the much greater number African American boys and girls per-capita being murdered since it founding in keeping with the spirit of the white liberal racist founder Margret Sanger.
20 million of them out of a group that was only "12.1 percent" or "40.1 million" of the total population.
By 2021 figures mind you.
More per-capita Black boys and girls being liquidated than the per-capita of any other two racial demographics combined
Not taking into account the much smaller black population as it was when Planned Parenthood's extremist white nationalist liberal program of black genocide took off in 1973. which was almost certainly lower than 10% of the total population in 1973.


Overview (Demographics): In 2021, 40.1 million people in the United States were non-Hispanic black alone, which represents 12.1 percent of the total population of 331.9 million.

 

[Consecrated Life]

"Sanger believed she had found the solution to Stoddard’s “Crisis of the Ages” in birth control. In a 1919 article, she appealed to eugenicists to lend their support to birth control as the vehicle for “racial betterment.” Sanger’s objective was to eliminate the “unfit,” while striving to “Create a Race of Thoroughbreds,” which was the tagline for her magazine The Birth Control Review."

 

[Vaccine]

Actually, Darwin thought that Englishmen were superior to other white people, too. He thought it was cultural. This is why he said that if "savages" were brought to England, they'd be just like Englishmen in a few generations. He was right. Creationists were wrong.

Darwin had quite the white supremist views I see. But saying it's cultural sweeps a lot of his racism under the rug. He cited racial inequality as evidence for his theory. So it isn't cultural, it's foundational to his theory. Where did Darwin say they'd be just like Englishmen? Because Darwin also said “the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world.”

It's genetics that shows evolutionary theory to be correct, just as plate tectonics showed "continental drift" is correct. Darwin inferred evolution, even though he couldn't explain how a new trait could persist and not be swamped by other traits. He inferred humans were essentially the same, citing a black man who taught him a great deal about natural history. He just didn't have an explanation for these things. Genetics gave us that.

The claim was evolutionary theory showed us races are a social construct. Genetics did that. The theory of evolution showed us this about race : "And this was especially the case, because the slaves belonged in general to a race different from that of their masters." Is there anything Darwin was wrong about?

 

[Vaccine]

"Sanger believed she had found the solution to Stoddard’s “Crisis of the Ages” in birth control. In a 1919 article, she appealed to eugenicists to lend their support to birth control as the vehicle for “racial betterment.” Sanger’s objective was to eliminate the “unfit,” while striving to “Create a Race of Thoroughbreds,” which was the tagline for her magazine The Birth Control Review."

Sanger strove to create a race of thoroughbreds? I can't image where she got her ideas from.
"Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man.” -Darwin
"but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed." -also Darwin

 

[Barbarian]

National Statistics​

More than 20 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.

There have been 40 million white babies aborted since Roe v. Wade. If abortion is racist, it's because it assumes whites are subhuman.

 

[Barbarian]

Darwin had quite the white supremist views I see.

He was anti-slavery, argued that blacks were entitled to freedom and the right to their own earnings, and insisted that they would adjust to England enough to be like Englishmen in a few generations.

Doesn't sound much like a "white supremacist, does it? Compare to an American white supremacist in Florida, who is pushing education standards that say blacks benefited by being slaves.

Now, that's white supremacy.

Sanger strove to create a race of thoroughbreds? I can't image where she got her ideas from.
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Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals

will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man.” -Darwin
"but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed." -also Darwin

I see you edited the statement to make it look like he agrees with creationists. But the part you hid from us shows otherwise...
"No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil."
Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

The part in red is the part creationists don't get.